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Re: Boxcar Chicago Milwaukee & Puget Sound 203906 at an awkward moment back in 1912...

Bob Chaparro
 

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Bob Chaparro
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Re: Kadee early PS-1

SamClarke
 

Thanks Ed.

Tim do you need to see a photo of the Southern with a 6 foot door? We might make a few mistakes but not a 6 foot door mistake.  Also ORER’s information is dependent on the actual RRs submitting info and it’s not always accurate or up to date. They are a great resource but we try to back up their info with other sources where possible.

 

 

Sam Clarke

Research and Development, Kadee

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Re: Kadee early PS-1

Ed Hawkins
 



On Mar 3, 2021, at 11:49 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Very interesting Gary!

The 1950 ORER shows 262040-262055 with 8 foot doors. (16 cars)
The 1953 ORER shows 262040-262059 with 8 foot doors. (16 cars)
The 1955 ORER shows 262040-262059 with 8 foot doors. (20 cars)

Tim,
For about 7 years the ORER listed Southern’s quantity of 50 lot 5919-A PS-1 box cars (26487-26527, 262050-262055, 307023-327024, 330500) erroneously grouped with other box cars having  8’ door openings. The practice continued thru at least the 4/55 ORER. 

I don’t have the 7/55 or 10/55 ORERs handy to check when the error was first corrected, but ORERs dated 1/56 & later have these cars properly identified in 4 separate series with 6’ door openings.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins



Re: Kadee early PS-1

Schuyler Larrabee
 

If I follow your numbers correctly, I’d suggest that the railroad rebuilt the cars from 6’ doors to 8’ doors.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2021 12:49 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Kadee early PS-1

 

Very interesting Gary!

The 1950 ORER shows 262040-262055 with 8 foot doors. (16 cars)
The 1953 ORER shows 262040-262059 with 8 foot doors. (16 cars)
The 1955 ORER shows 262040-262059 with 8 foot doors. (20 cars)

And then!

The 1959 ORER shows 262050-262055 with 6 foot doors! Whole series now is now 10, 6, 4 (20 cars)
with 14 cars with 8 foot doors, and 6 with 6 foot doors. Also listed this way in 1963.

THEORY - Could a wreck have destroyed some cars? Or were cars swapped? The cars are from three
different orders built at different dates.

Tim O'Connor

===============================

On 3/3/2021 12:34 PM, Gary Bechdol wrote:

According to Southern Railroad boxcar diagrams, Southern (CNO&TP) car numbers 262050 - 262055 had 6 ft. doors. 

 

Gary Bechdol 

Stone Mountain, Ga 

 

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 12:17 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Garth

?? Southern (CNO&TP) 262053 had 8 foot doors. Did Kadee make a mistake??

I see that Ed Hawkins' spreadsheet may also be mistaken. The 1953 ORER shows the
series as 262040 to 262059 for a total of 20 cars with 8 foot doors. Ed does not list the
262040 to 262049 cars.

Built in 1948, so it may have had an early PS-1 underframe.

Tim O'Connor

=========================================
On 3/2/2021 4:00 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:

Elden,

 

I bought their Southern 262053, part number 4324. It lacks the five little stiffeners under the running board, there are no ribs on the outermost roof panels, and the ends are riveted. These are all features seen on most early PS-1s. The lettering matches a photo I have from an RMJ article. The main thing I question is the black running board, which I think is Ajax. Some of the very early PS-1s had AAR underframes, but Kadee included a PS-1 underframe. I don't know which cars had which. For some reason, I don't have Ed Hawkins' roster in my collection any more to check on these things. Must track that down on the Trainlife data base.

 

I know there have been a few mistakes on some Kadee cars (no Morton running boards until recently, for example), though they do try very hard to be accurate. I am very satisfied.

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Kadee early PS-1

Tim O'Connor
 


Ah! Thanks Sam, I didn't know that. That's good.

Too bad about the 10 foot cars though. :'(

Tim


On 3/3/2021 12:08 PM, SamClarke via groups.io wrote:

Tim,  we already are doing both the 6 and 7 foot door cars.  As I mentioned we are only “considering” the 8 foot door cars.

I really doubt that we’d consider the 10’ high cars as it would require tooling almost a complete new car.

 



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Kadee early PS-1

Tim O'Connor
 

Very interesting Gary!

The 1950 ORER shows 262040-262055 with 8 foot doors. (16 cars)
The 1953 ORER shows 262040-262059 with 8 foot doors. (16 cars)
The 1955 ORER shows 262040-262059 with 8 foot doors. (20 cars)

And then!

The 1959 ORER shows 262050-262055 with 6 foot doors! Whole series now is now 10, 6, 4 (20 cars)
with 14 cars with 8 foot doors, and 6 with 6 foot doors. Also listed this way in 1963.

THEORY - Could a wreck have destroyed some cars? Or were cars swapped? The cars are from three
different orders built at different dates.

Tim O'Connor

===============================

On 3/3/2021 12:34 PM, Gary Bechdol wrote:
According to Southern Railroad boxcar diagrams, Southern (CNO&TP) car numbers 262050 - 262055 had 6 ft. doors. 

Gary Bechdol 
Stone Mountain, Ga 

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 12:17 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
Garth

?? Southern (CNO&TP) 262053 had 8 foot doors. Did Kadee make a mistake??

I see that Ed Hawkins' spreadsheet may also be mistaken. The 1953 ORER shows the
series as 262040 to 262059 for a total of 20 cars with 8 foot doors. Ed does not list the
262040 to 262049 cars.

Built in 1948, so it may have had an early PS-1 underframe.

Tim O'Connor

=========================================
On 3/2/2021 4:00 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Elden,

I bought their Southern 262053, part number 4324. It lacks the five little stiffeners under the running board, there are no ribs on the outermost roof panels, and the ends are riveted. These are all features seen on most early PS-1s. The lettering matches a photo I have from an RMJ article. The main thing I question is the black running board, which I think is Ajax. Some of the very early PS-1s had AAR underframes, but Kadee included a PS-1 underframe. I don't know which cars had which. For some reason, I don't have Ed Hawkins' roster in my collection any more to check on these things. Must track that down on the Trainlife data base.

I know there have been a few mistakes on some Kadee cars (no Morton running boards until recently, for example), though they do try very hard to be accurate. I am very satisfied.


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Kadee early PS-1

Gary Bechdol
 

According to Southern Railroad boxcar diagrams, Southern (CNO&TP) car numbers 262050 - 262055 had 6 ft. doors. 

Gary Bechdol 
Stone Mountain, Ga 

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 12:17 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
Garth

?? Southern (CNO&TP) 262053 had 8 foot doors. Did Kadee make a mistake??

I see that Ed Hawkins' spreadsheet may also be mistaken. The 1953 ORER shows the
series as 262040 to 262059 for a total of 20 cars with 8 foot doors. Ed does not list the
262040 to 262049 cars.

Built in 1948, so it may have had an early PS-1 underframe.

Tim O'Connor

=========================================
On 3/2/2021 4:00 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Elden,

I bought their Southern 262053, part number 4324. It lacks the five little stiffeners under the running board, there are no ribs on the outermost roof panels, and the ends are riveted. These are all features seen on most early PS-1s. The lettering matches a photo I have from an RMJ article. The main thing I question is the black running board, which I think is Ajax. Some of the very early PS-1s had AAR underframes, but Kadee included a PS-1 underframe. I don't know which cars had which. For some reason, I don't have Ed Hawkins' roster in my collection any more to check on these things. Must track that down on the Trainlife data base.

I know there have been a few mistakes on some Kadee cars (no Morton running boards until recently, for example), though they do try very hard to be accurate. I am very satisfied.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Kadee early PS-1

Tim O'Connor
 

Garth

?? Southern (CNO&TP) 262053 had 8 foot doors. Did Kadee make a mistake??

I see that Ed Hawkins' spreadsheet may also be mistaken. The 1953 ORER shows the
series as 262040 to 262059 for a total of 20 cars with 8 foot doors. Ed does not list the
262040 to 262049 cars.

Built in 1948, so it may have had an early PS-1 underframe.

Tim O'Connor

=========================================

On 3/2/2021 4:00 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Elden,

I bought their Southern 262053, part number 4324. It lacks the five little stiffeners under the running board, there are no ribs on the outermost roof panels, and the ends are riveted. These are all features seen on most early PS-1s. The lettering matches a photo I have from an RMJ article. The main thing I question is the black running board, which I think is Ajax. Some of the very early PS-1s had AAR underframes, but Kadee included a PS-1 underframe. I don't know which cars had which. For some reason, I don't have Ed Hawkins' roster in my collection any more to check on these things. Must track that down on the Trainlife data base.

I know there have been a few mistakes on some Kadee cars (no Morton running boards until recently, for example), though they do try very hard to be accurate. I am very satisfied.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Kadee early PS-1

SamClarke
 

Tim,  we already are doing both the 6 and 7 foot door cars.  As I mentioned we are only “considering” the 8 foot door cars.

 

I really doubt that we’d consider the 10’ high cars as it would require tooling almost a complete new car.

 

 

Sam Clarke

Research and Development, Kadee

(+1) 541.826.3883 | www.kadee.com

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Re: Kadee early PS-1

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Sam,

Still hoping you will do the 50' Morton running board. I do appreciate the 40' Morton boards, and bought a mess to upgrade my WP cars.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 10:40 AM SamClarke via groups.io <samc=kadee.com@groups.io> wrote:

Oops, I don’t know how my brain was going fast than my fingers.

 

Chris the roofs cannot be made as a separate part.  We might eventually do some of these cars as kits but not for a while. Because of the virus we are actually ”busier than ever”, we can’t even keep up with our present sales.

 

Patience Clark, you’ll live long enough to see them.

 

Thanks all for the tank car info, when I get the time (a fictitious term) I’ll check our photo files and rosters.

 

 

Sam Clarke

Research and Development, Kadee

(+1) 541.826.3883 | www.kadee.com

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Re: Kadee early PS-1

Tim O'Connor
 

Sam

I'm very surprised that you would consider 8 foot door cars, but not the 7 foot door cars.
The New Haven had a large number of these cars - they would be very important to STMFC
northeastern modelers, and probably of some interest to most other STMFC class 1 modelers.

And if you ever did the 10 foot inside height cars, that would be manna from heaven!! :-D
The New Haven also had a large number of these cars, and many ended their lives working
for other railroads (i.e. more paint schemes).

Tim O'Connor

=====================================

On 3/2/2021 1:18 PM, SamClarke via groups.io wrote:

Hello STMFC,

That’s a pretty good list that Ben Hom gave us.

6 ft - ATSF, CGW, CIL, CMO, CNW, COPR, CP, DSS&A, KCS, LS&BC, MKT, NYC, P&WV, SOU, UP

7 ft - B&M, LV, MEC, NH

8 ft - SAL, SL-SF, SOU

Yes, they do meet our standards and we’ve produced a few of these cars already, mostly sold out though. We may or may not do the 8 ft door cars. There are a number of paint schemes and roads we can now do that we could not do before because the cars were pre 1950 cars. The pre-1950 cars have quite a number of transitioning details that are quite different than the cars built after 1950. See Ed Hawkins info as he has helped us way beyond just a thank you.

We’re planning a few more this coming year, no I can’t tell you what roads or when. 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Kadee early PS-1

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Thanks for the info, Garth!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Tuesday, March 2, 2021 4:01 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Kadee early PS-1

 

Elden,

 

I bought their Southern 262053, part number 4324. It lacks the five little stiffeners under the running board, there are no ribs on the outermost roof panels, and the ends are riveted. These are all features seen on most early PS-1s. The lettering matches a photo I have from an RMJ article. The main thing I question is the black running board, which I think is Ajax. Some of the very early PS-1s had AAR underframes, but Kadee included a PS-1 underframe. I don't know which cars had which. For some reason, I don't have Ed Hawkins' roster in my collection any more to check on these things. Must track that down on the Trainlife data base.

 

I know there have been a few mistakes on some Kadee cars (no Morton running boards until recently, for example), though they do try very hard to be accurate. I am very satisfied.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆

 

On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 11:25 AM Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Folks;

 

Has anyone received an early PS-1 from Kadee?

 

Which RRs would be represented by this model?

 

I assume they’re up to Kadee’s usual standard of accuracy.

 

What do you think?

 

Elden Gatwood


Re: Kadee early PS-1

SamClarke
 

Randy,   much of the time for in service cars is a matter having “really good” photos that we can read all the small data and see the details of the car. There are many roads and paint schemes we have not done because we don’t have good photos.

 

 

Sam Clarke

Research and Development, Kadee

(+1) 541.826.3883 | www.kadee.com

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Re: Kadee early PS-1

Randy Hammill
 

Great to hear Sam!

While you look at that, you have also never done the CNJ/CRP scheme on the hoppers. It’s the correct version of that hopper, I can dig up road numbers from RPCyc later if that helps.

Thanks!


Randy
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Randy Hammill
Prototype Junction
http://prototypejunction.com

Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954
http://newbritainstation.com


Re: Kadee early PS-1

SamClarke
 

Oops, I don’t know how my brain was going fast than my fingers.

 

Chris the roofs cannot be made as a separate part.  We might eventually do some of these cars as kits but not for a while. Because of the virus we are actually ”busier than ever”, we can’t even keep up with our present sales.

 

Patience Clark, you’ll live long enough to see them.

 

Thanks all for the tank car info, when I get the time (a fictitious term) I’ll check our photo files and rosters.

 

 

Sam Clarke

Research and Development, Kadee

(+1) 541.826.3883 | www.kadee.com

facebook twitter linkedin youtube

 

 

 

 


Re: Kadee early PS-1

SamClarke
 

Chris the roofs cannot be made as a separate part.  We might eventually do some of these cars as kits but not for a while. Because of the virus we are actually we can’t even keep up with our present sales.

 

Patience Clark, you’ll live long enough to see them.

 

Thanks all for the tank car info, when I get the time (a fictitious term) I’ll check our photo files and rosters.

 

 

Sam Clarke

Research and Development, Kadee

(+1) 541.826.3883 | www.kadee.com

facebook twitter linkedin youtube

 

 


Calling TJ Sratton

Clark Propst
 

TJ, could you please contact me off list?

cepropst@q.com


Re: Boxcar Chicago Milwaukee & Puget Sound 203906 at an awkward moment back in 1912...

Brian Termunde
 

Well it 'tops' the Boston & Maine! <G>

Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah

Hi List Members,
 
Boxcar Chicago Milwaukee & Puget Sound 203906 at an awkward moment back in 1912...
 
 
Oops!
 
Claus Schlund


Re: how they harvested ice for all those reefers!

Ray Hutchison
 

There is a similar film showing harvesting of ice on Green Bay and transportation to ice house storage, for later use in rail and other industries.  Don't think it could be done these days; many of the lakes and rivers that I recall ice-skating and playing hockey on rarely freeze over.  If you happen to be visiting Green Bay, you can see the film at the Neville Public Museum.

ray hutchison


Re: Soo Line 50' boxcar kit Resin Car Works

Eric Hansmann
 

Sorry for a delayed response. I discussed this with Frank yesterday. There are extra parts on the resin detail sheet to cover a couple boxcar prototypes. Attached is an image of that sheet with an arrow pointing to the Klasing brake gear housing to install on the Soo boxcars. The other one is a Universal brake gear housing.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

RCW web guy

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Smith
Sent: Tuesday, March 2, 2021 8:59 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Soo Line 50' boxcar kit Resin Car Works

 

Hello Richard,

The gear that you are trying to identify is an Equipco 3750 gear.

This gear would NOT have been on an as built Soo Line that is the RCW kit as the earliest date of production for the 3750 is 10-1950

See my post #164782 where I copy information from Gene Green

Hope this helps,
Dan

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