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Greetings

Raymond Stern
 



How are you doing today?

Hope this email finds you well?

Let me know if you received my mail, I need you to do something urgent for me.


Raymond


Re: MM

O Fenton Wells
 

Good info Clark thanks for sharing 
Fenton 


On Mar 5, 2021, at 9:59 AM, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:

I've finished the list, except for future corrections of course. I'm adding some comments for clarification and the new list. Clark

  Yes, they had a foundry there. Implements would be all outbound. It is 1949,  big years for farm equipment. Tires and wheels would be inbound to use on tractors and machinery. Firebrick, clay and silicone for the foundry and mold making. other stuff all inbound, rivets, drill bits, wood, steel wool, steel, bolts, belts. Engines would have been outbound. They made their own engines there. Would be interesting to find out what % of outbound was in boxcars and flatcars. Pallets would have been for machinery that was strapped to it and sent out unassembled.(small stuff like plows.) Brian

I would suggest some of the Wheel loads might be from Electric Wheel in Quincy Ill.  Who made the wheels for mounting the tires for the machinery. Steve

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For Sale Car Builders Cyclopedia

Ted Schnepf
 

Hello,

I am offering for sale a steam era Car Builders Cyclopedia. This is the 20th. edition form 1957! An original, with 1114 pages, weighing 7 pounds! The binding is in good shape and only nominal cover wear for such a large book. Keep in mind the book was produced in 1957, but many of the plans, photos and advertisements are from the early 1950's.

$125.00 and all this steam era info can be yours. Shipping added.

Please make inquiries off list.

Rails Unlimited
Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet
Elgin, Ill. 60120

847=697-5353


Re: MM

Clark Propst
 

I've finished the list, except for future corrections of course. I'm adding some comments for clarification and the new list. Clark

  Yes, they had a foundry there. Implements would be all outbound. It is 1949,  big years for farm equipment. Tires and wheels would be inbound to use on tractors and machinery. Firebrick, clay and silicone for the foundry and mold making. other stuff all inbound, rivets, drill bits, wood, steel wool, steel, bolts, belts. Engines would have been outbound. They made their own engines there. Would be interesting to find out what % of outbound was in boxcars and flatcars. Pallets would have been for machinery that was strapped to it and sent out unassembled.(small stuff like plows.) Brian

I would suggest some of the Wheel loads might be from Electric Wheel in Quincy Ill.  Who made the wheels for mounting the tires for the machinery. Steve


Re: GN Hog-Fuel car, was: [RealSTMFC] AB brake component location on the SP A-50-4

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

Nice work, Scott!

Dan Mitchell
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On Mar 4, 2021, at 4:38 PM, Scott Kremer <skremer@wideopenwest.com> wrote:

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Shawmut gons

Eric Hansmann
 

Need coal gondolas for your railroad? Perry Squier shares his work building Shawmut coal gons on the latest DesignBuildOp blog post. 

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2021/03/05/shawmut-coal-gondolas/


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


Re: GN Hog-Fuel car, was: [RealSTMFC] AB brake component location on the SP A-50-4

Paul Doggett
 

Scott 

That’s a great looking build excellent workmanship.
Paul Doggett.   England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 4 Mar 2021, at 21:38, Scott Kremer <skremer@...> wrote:

Thanks, yours look great as well. These were two of the cars I finished for my MMR.  They are scratch built.  I did two with the same number, one loaded, one empty.  Each car has about 500 parts and 1300 Archer rivets.  I think I came pretty close to the prototype. I got the info from Staffan.  I did freelance the underbody and the interiors as there is no info on those parts.  One fun item was to complete construction of the underbody and then paint all of it except the outside of the side sills.  I then installed a stained wood floor a board at a time.  That way I ended with cars that looked like they had the steel parts completed before they did the rest of the car built.  The bare outside of the side sills let me glue everything and apply the rivets before painting that part.  I attached an in process shot you might get a kick out of. If you look at the two vertical posts and compare then to the rest you will see that I applied a whole row of rivets and then eliminated every other rivet.  That let me get the spacing I needed.

Scott Kremer
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Re: Carbon black car pictures

John Mateyko
 


Weaver carbon black hopper with three rail trucks and couplers.  This car is For Sale($75 plus postage).
John


Re: AB brake component location on the SP A-50-4

kevinhlafferty
 

Thank you Tim, that's actually very helpful (or at least provides me a source of plausible deniability). I would suspect that you are correct and the configuration would be very similar to the A-50-6. I took a look at the 1/53 ORER and found 28 A-50-4s still in interchange. Tony Thompson's blog on this class shows several being retired in '53 and '54, probably the last survivors. It's interesting to note that at least a couple of these cars were equipped with AB brakes in '53 according to the car ledger sheets that Tony Thompson quoted. Seems those improvements were rather short lived, unless they went to MOW. Thanks again for the help.


Re: MM

Clark Propst
 

So if I got this straight, all the implement loads were outbound from MM and everything else listed was inbound to MM. Is that correct?

Chuck Peck

 

That is my assumption. Why would a place manufacturing implements be bringing them in. These are seal book entries. The agent would record the inbound seal as well as the ones he put on the outbound loads. At least that’s how it worked where I worked.

 

I’ve now added the number series. Many are DD box cars, few flat cars.

Clark

 

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Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 61973 (Undated)

mel perry
 

those ARE refrigerators
;-)
mel perry

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 11:36 AM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: PRR Boxcar 61973 (Undated)

A photo from the South Wood County Historical Museum:

https://content.mpl.org/digital/collection/swch/id/165/rec/140

Use the arrows and scroll to enlarge the photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Cardox dry ice cars

Tim O'Connor
 


Here are the NYC box cars with 5/5 ends. Some others were rebuilt as insulated box cars.
The only other ones to receive the Early Bird logo.

NYC series 159000-159999 blt 1944 DSI 734-B
NYC series 161000-161999 blt 1945 DSI 735-B


On 3/4/2021 4:51 PM, ROGER HINMAN via groups.io wrote:
The Cardox cars were ex NYC 40’ boxcars with special inserts and new doors applied; I don’t have the NYC boxcar lot number handy but the ends are 5-5; there’s a photo of CDCX 101 on p 218 of my MDT book that clearly shows the end

Roger Hinman


On Mar 3, 2021, at 8:43 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


The roof appears to be rectangular panel. Can't tell what the ends are.
Tim

On 3/3/2021 5:32 PM, Richard Townsend via groups.io wrote:
Does anyone know what kind of roof and what kind of ends were on the Cardox dry ice cars in the CDCX 100-122 series? I suspect diagonal panel roofs and 1/3/4 or 4/4 ends, but I'm hoping to get some authoritative information.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 61973 (Undated)

Scott
 

Interesting picture.  I know the pickup says ranges but they look like early refrigerators.

Scott McDonald 


Re: Cardox dry ice cars

ROGER HINMAN
 

The Cardox cars were ex NYC 40’ boxcars with special inserts and new doors applied; I don’t have the NYC boxcar lot number handy but the ends are 5-5; there’s a photo of CDCX 101 on p 218 of my MDT book that clearly shows the end

Roger Hinman


On Mar 3, 2021, at 8:43 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


The roof appears to be rectangular panel. Can't tell what the ends are.
Tim

On 3/3/2021 5:32 PM, Richard Townsend via groups.io wrote:
Does anyone know what kind of roof and what kind of ends were on the Cardox dry ice cars in the CDCX 100-122 series? I suspect diagonal panel roofs and 1/3/4 or 4/4 ends, but I'm hoping to get some authoritative information.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts <cdcx_106 40ft_reefer CardoxDryIceLiquid 1956.jpg>


Re: GN Hog-Fuel car, was: [RealSTMFC] AB brake component location on the SP A-50-4

Scott Kremer
 

Thanks, yours look great as well. These were two of the cars I finished for my MMR.  They are scratch built.  I did two with the same number, one loaded, one empty.  Each car has about 500 parts and 1300 Archer rivets.  I think I came pretty close to the prototype. I got the info from Staffan.  I did freelance the underbody and the interiors as there is no info on those parts.  One fun item was to complete construction of the underbody and then paint all of it except the outside of the side sills.  I then installed a stained wood floor a board at a time.  That way I ended with cars that looked like they had the steel parts completed before they did the rest of the car built.  The bare outside of the side sills let me glue everything and apply the rivets before painting that part.  I attached an in process shot you might get a kick out of. If you look at the two vertical posts and compare then to the rest you will see that I applied a whole row of rivets and then eliminated every other rivet.  That let me get the spacing I needed.

Scott Kremer


Re: AB brake component location on the SP A-50-4

Douglas Harding
 

In the days of running boards, may have been a warning to brakemen that no running board existed on that car. They were banned on new cars in 1966.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Scott Kremer
Sent: Thursday, March 4, 2021 1:36 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] AB brake component location on the SP A-50-4

 

I just completed two Great Northern hog fuel cars.  Forty foot cars made from old flat cars.  AB brakes as well.  What I am curious about is that they too had the top of the ends painted white, exactly like this SP car.  Usually I would have thought it was for an excess height car but neither the GN cars or this car are of unusual height.  Was it to designate that there was no roof?  Had not seen this before.

 

Thanks,

Scott Kremer

 

 


GN Hog-Fuel car, was: [RealSTMFC] AB brake component location on the SP A-50-4

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

Hi Scott:

Great looking car. Was this some kit or a scratch built?

I recently finished two GN hog-fuel cars from Portland Car & Foundry kits. They are rather similar, with open tops, but have no exterior bracing.


Dan MItchell
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On Mar 4, 2021, at 2:36 PM, Scott Kremer <skremer@...> wrote:

I just completed two Great Northern hog fuel cars.  Forty foot cars made from old flat cars.  AB brakes as well.  What I am curious about is that they too had the top of the ends painted white, exactly like this SP car.  Usually I would have thought it was for an excess height car but neither the GN cars or this car are of unusual height.  Was it to designate that there was no roof?  Had not seen this before.

Thanks,
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Scott Kremer




Re: AB brake component location on the SP A-50-4

Scott Kremer
 

I just completed two Great Northern hog fuel cars.  Forty foot cars made from old flat cars.  AB brakes as well.  What I am curious about is that they too had the top of the ends painted white, exactly like this SP car.  Usually I would have thought it was for an excess height car but neither the GN cars or this car are of unusual height.  Was it to designate that there was no roof?  Had not seen this before.

Thanks,
Scott Kremer



Re: AB brake component location on the SP A-50-4

Tim O'Connor
 


Lots of A-50-6 box cars got AB brakes, and they were mounted in a conventional
way as you can see in this photo. The A-50-6's were rebuilt for "hog fuel" (wood chips)
and lost their roofs. If any A-50-4's got AB brakes I feel sure they would have the same
brake arrangements.

There are no A-50-4's left in the 1955 roster (ORER). I wonder if the modified cars
were only intended for MofW (company) service.

An example of this would be SP 63298, which became SPMW 1168 on January 21, 1953
and was assigned as a "tool car".

Tim O'Connor


On 3/4/2021 12:31 PM, kevinhlafferty wrote:

I have just started building the Speedwitch SP A-50-4 kit and would like to update it with AB brakes. The kit is supplied with K brakes and states that no A-50-4s made it past 1953 as there is no evidence of them being equipped with AB brakes. Since the kits manufacture, Tony Thompson has posted a blog with car maintenance records for some of the cars in the class, and it is clear that indeed at least some of the class did receive AB brakes and continued to operate beyond 1953. I'm just wondering if anyone on the list would have any info regarding correct component location. I would assume that the cylinder would be mounted in the same location as the original but what about the triple valve and the reservoir? I could guess at where these would be based on common practices but was hoping someone might have more detailed info. Thanks,
Kevin Lafferty



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


AB brake component location on the SP A-50-4

kevinhlafferty
 

I have just started building the Speedwitch SP A-50-4 kit and would like to update it with AB brakes. The kit is supplied with K brakes and states that no A-50-4s made it past 1953 as there is no evidence of them being equipped with AB brakes. Since the kits manufacture, Tony Thompson has posted a blog with car maintenance records for some of the cars in the class, and it is clear that indeed at least some of the class did receive AB brakes and continued to operate beyond 1953. I'm just wondering if anyone on the list would have any info regarding correct component location. I would assume that the cylinder would be mounted in the same location as the original but what about the triple valve and the reservoir? I could guess at where these would be based on common practices but was hoping someone might have more detailed info. Thanks,
Kevin Lafferty

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