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For Sale Car Builders Cyclopedia

Ted Schnepf
 

Hello,

I am offering for sale a steam era Car Builders Cyclopedia. This is the 20th. edition form 1957! An original, with 1114 pages, weighing 7 pounds! The binding is in good shape and only nominal cover wear for such a large book. Keep in mind the book was produced in 1957, but many of the plans, photos and advertisements are from the early 1950's.

$125.00 and all this steam era info can be yours. Shipping added.

Please make inquiries off list.

Rails Unlimited
Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet
Elgin, Ill. 60120

847=697-5353


Re: MM

Clark Propst
 

I've finished the list, except for future corrections of course. I'm adding some comments for clarification and the new list. Clark

  Yes, they had a foundry there. Implements would be all outbound. It is 1949,  big years for farm equipment. Tires and wheels would be inbound to use on tractors and machinery. Firebrick, clay and silicone for the foundry and mold making. other stuff all inbound, rivets, drill bits, wood, steel wool, steel, bolts, belts. Engines would have been outbound. They made their own engines there. Would be interesting to find out what % of outbound was in boxcars and flatcars. Pallets would have been for machinery that was strapped to it and sent out unassembled.(small stuff like plows.) Brian

I would suggest some of the Wheel loads might be from Electric Wheel in Quincy Ill.  Who made the wheels for mounting the tires for the machinery. Steve


Re: GN Hog-Fuel car, was: [RealSTMFC] AB brake component location on the SP A-50-4

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

Nice work, Scott!

Dan Mitchell
==========

On Mar 4, 2021, at 4:38 PM, Scott Kremer <skremer@wideopenwest.com> wrote:

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Shawmut gons

Eric Hansmann
 

Need coal gondolas for your railroad? Perry Squier shares his work building Shawmut coal gons on the latest DesignBuildOp blog post. 

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2021/03/05/shawmut-coal-gondolas/


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


Re: GN Hog-Fuel car, was: [RealSTMFC] AB brake component location on the SP A-50-4

Paul Doggett
 

Scott 

That’s a great looking build excellent workmanship.
Paul Doggett.   England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 4 Mar 2021, at 21:38, Scott Kremer <skremer@...> wrote:

Thanks, yours look great as well. These were two of the cars I finished for my MMR.  They are scratch built.  I did two with the same number, one loaded, one empty.  Each car has about 500 parts and 1300 Archer rivets.  I think I came pretty close to the prototype. I got the info from Staffan.  I did freelance the underbody and the interiors as there is no info on those parts.  One fun item was to complete construction of the underbody and then paint all of it except the outside of the side sills.  I then installed a stained wood floor a board at a time.  That way I ended with cars that looked like they had the steel parts completed before they did the rest of the car built.  The bare outside of the side sills let me glue everything and apply the rivets before painting that part.  I attached an in process shot you might get a kick out of. If you look at the two vertical posts and compare then to the rest you will see that I applied a whole row of rivets and then eliminated every other rivet.  That let me get the spacing I needed.

Scott Kremer
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Re: Carbon black car pictures

John Mateyko
 


Weaver carbon black hopper with three rail trucks and couplers.  This car is For Sale($75 plus postage).
John


Re: AB brake component location on the SP A-50-4

kevinhlafferty
 

Thank you Tim, that's actually very helpful (or at least provides me a source of plausible deniability). I would suspect that you are correct and the configuration would be very similar to the A-50-6. I took a look at the 1/53 ORER and found 28 A-50-4s still in interchange. Tony Thompson's blog on this class shows several being retired in '53 and '54, probably the last survivors. It's interesting to note that at least a couple of these cars were equipped with AB brakes in '53 according to the car ledger sheets that Tony Thompson quoted. Seems those improvements were rather short lived, unless they went to MOW. Thanks again for the help.


Re: MM

Clark Propst
 

So if I got this straight, all the implement loads were outbound from MM and everything else listed was inbound to MM. Is that correct?

Chuck Peck

 

That is my assumption. Why would a place manufacturing implements be bringing them in. These are seal book entries. The agent would record the inbound seal as well as the ones he put on the outbound loads. At least that’s how it worked where I worked.

 

I’ve now added the number series. Many are DD box cars, few flat cars.

Clark

 

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Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 61973 (Undated)

mel perry
 

those ARE refrigerators
;-)
mel perry

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 11:36 AM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: PRR Boxcar 61973 (Undated)

A photo from the South Wood County Historical Museum:

https://content.mpl.org/digital/collection/swch/id/165/rec/140

Use the arrows and scroll to enlarge the photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Cardox dry ice cars

Tim O'Connor
 


Here are the NYC box cars with 5/5 ends. Some others were rebuilt as insulated box cars.
The only other ones to receive the Early Bird logo.

NYC series 159000-159999 blt 1944 DSI 734-B
NYC series 161000-161999 blt 1945 DSI 735-B


On 3/4/2021 4:51 PM, ROGER HINMAN via groups.io wrote:
The Cardox cars were ex NYC 40’ boxcars with special inserts and new doors applied; I don’t have the NYC boxcar lot number handy but the ends are 5-5; there’s a photo of CDCX 101 on p 218 of my MDT book that clearly shows the end

Roger Hinman


On Mar 3, 2021, at 8:43 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


The roof appears to be rectangular panel. Can't tell what the ends are.
Tim

On 3/3/2021 5:32 PM, Richard Townsend via groups.io wrote:
Does anyone know what kind of roof and what kind of ends were on the Cardox dry ice cars in the CDCX 100-122 series? I suspect diagonal panel roofs and 1/3/4 or 4/4 ends, but I'm hoping to get some authoritative information.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 61973 (Undated)

Scott
 

Interesting picture.  I know the pickup says ranges but they look like early refrigerators.

Scott McDonald 


Re: Cardox dry ice cars

ROGER HINMAN
 

The Cardox cars were ex NYC 40’ boxcars with special inserts and new doors applied; I don’t have the NYC boxcar lot number handy but the ends are 5-5; there’s a photo of CDCX 101 on p 218 of my MDT book that clearly shows the end

Roger Hinman


On Mar 3, 2021, at 8:43 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


The roof appears to be rectangular panel. Can't tell what the ends are.
Tim

On 3/3/2021 5:32 PM, Richard Townsend via groups.io wrote:
Does anyone know what kind of roof and what kind of ends were on the Cardox dry ice cars in the CDCX 100-122 series? I suspect diagonal panel roofs and 1/3/4 or 4/4 ends, but I'm hoping to get some authoritative information.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts <cdcx_106 40ft_reefer CardoxDryIceLiquid 1956.jpg>


Re: GN Hog-Fuel car, was: [RealSTMFC] AB brake component location on the SP A-50-4

Scott Kremer
 

Thanks, yours look great as well. These were two of the cars I finished for my MMR.  They are scratch built.  I did two with the same number, one loaded, one empty.  Each car has about 500 parts and 1300 Archer rivets.  I think I came pretty close to the prototype. I got the info from Staffan.  I did freelance the underbody and the interiors as there is no info on those parts.  One fun item was to complete construction of the underbody and then paint all of it except the outside of the side sills.  I then installed a stained wood floor a board at a time.  That way I ended with cars that looked like they had the steel parts completed before they did the rest of the car built.  The bare outside of the side sills let me glue everything and apply the rivets before painting that part.  I attached an in process shot you might get a kick out of. If you look at the two vertical posts and compare then to the rest you will see that I applied a whole row of rivets and then eliminated every other rivet.  That let me get the spacing I needed.

Scott Kremer


Re: AB brake component location on the SP A-50-4

Douglas Harding
 

In the days of running boards, may have been a warning to brakemen that no running board existed on that car. They were banned on new cars in 1966.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Scott Kremer
Sent: Thursday, March 4, 2021 1:36 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] AB brake component location on the SP A-50-4

 

I just completed two Great Northern hog fuel cars.  Forty foot cars made from old flat cars.  AB brakes as well.  What I am curious about is that they too had the top of the ends painted white, exactly like this SP car.  Usually I would have thought it was for an excess height car but neither the GN cars or this car are of unusual height.  Was it to designate that there was no roof?  Had not seen this before.

 

Thanks,

Scott Kremer

 

 


GN Hog-Fuel car, was: [RealSTMFC] AB brake component location on the SP A-50-4

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

Hi Scott:

Great looking car. Was this some kit or a scratch built?

I recently finished two GN hog-fuel cars from Portland Car & Foundry kits. They are rather similar, with open tops, but have no exterior bracing.


Dan MItchell
==========

On Mar 4, 2021, at 2:36 PM, Scott Kremer <skremer@...> wrote:

I just completed two Great Northern hog fuel cars.  Forty foot cars made from old flat cars.  AB brakes as well.  What I am curious about is that they too had the top of the ends painted white, exactly like this SP car.  Usually I would have thought it was for an excess height car but neither the GN cars or this car are of unusual height.  Was it to designate that there was no roof?  Had not seen this before.

Thanks,
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Scott Kremer




Re: AB brake component location on the SP A-50-4

Scott Kremer
 

I just completed two Great Northern hog fuel cars.  Forty foot cars made from old flat cars.  AB brakes as well.  What I am curious about is that they too had the top of the ends painted white, exactly like this SP car.  Usually I would have thought it was for an excess height car but neither the GN cars or this car are of unusual height.  Was it to designate that there was no roof?  Had not seen this before.

Thanks,
Scott Kremer



Re: AB brake component location on the SP A-50-4

Tim O'Connor
 


Lots of A-50-6 box cars got AB brakes, and they were mounted in a conventional
way as you can see in this photo. The A-50-6's were rebuilt for "hog fuel" (wood chips)
and lost their roofs. If any A-50-4's got AB brakes I feel sure they would have the same
brake arrangements.

There are no A-50-4's left in the 1955 roster (ORER). I wonder if the modified cars
were only intended for MofW (company) service.

An example of this would be SP 63298, which became SPMW 1168 on January 21, 1953
and was assigned as a "tool car".

Tim O'Connor


On 3/4/2021 12:31 PM, kevinhlafferty wrote:

I have just started building the Speedwitch SP A-50-4 kit and would like to update it with AB brakes. The kit is supplied with K brakes and states that no A-50-4s made it past 1953 as there is no evidence of them being equipped with AB brakes. Since the kits manufacture, Tony Thompson has posted a blog with car maintenance records for some of the cars in the class, and it is clear that indeed at least some of the class did receive AB brakes and continued to operate beyond 1953. I'm just wondering if anyone on the list would have any info regarding correct component location. I would assume that the cylinder would be mounted in the same location as the original but what about the triple valve and the reservoir? I could guess at where these would be based on common practices but was hoping someone might have more detailed info. Thanks,
Kevin Lafferty



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


AB brake component location on the SP A-50-4

kevinhlafferty
 

I have just started building the Speedwitch SP A-50-4 kit and would like to update it with AB brakes. The kit is supplied with K brakes and states that no A-50-4s made it past 1953 as there is no evidence of them being equipped with AB brakes. Since the kits manufacture, Tony Thompson has posted a blog with car maintenance records for some of the cars in the class, and it is clear that indeed at least some of the class did receive AB brakes and continued to operate beyond 1953. I'm just wondering if anyone on the list would have any info regarding correct component location. I would assume that the cylinder would be mounted in the same location as the original but what about the triple valve and the reservoir? I could guess at where these would be based on common practices but was hoping someone might have more detailed info. Thanks,
Kevin Lafferty


Re: MM

Charles Peck
 

So if I got this straight, all the implement loads were outbound from MM and everything else listed was inbound to MM. Is that correct?
Chuck Peck

On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 11:23 AM Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:
I've discovered the M&StL served the Minneapolis Moline plant near the Red Owl warehouse. I thought I might as well put down the products going into the plant while I have the book. After doing the Red Owl warehouse I was accustom to loads going in unless stated as out. There was a ramp by the station where they unloaded autos, have a photo. Lots of auto and implement loads. I kept thinking "Why all the implement loads?" Then there was the writing of a relief agent. He wrote down where all the loads  were for...or from. Implements were noted as MM. The light came on! All the implement loads were outbound!! So, after going though the majority of the book looking at wheels and tires I had to go back and add in all the implement loads. Some of the loads I feel are for their foundry? I haven't added number series for them yet. Doing this for the last hour and a half was enough for now.
Clark
M&StL SEAL BOOK RECORDS 6/13/1949 - 1/24/1950  
Minneapolis Moline plant HOPKINS MINN. 
DATE INITIALS NUMBER LADING SERIES
6/18/1949 GTW 591261 IMPLEMENTS  
6/18/1949 RI 262793 IMPLEMENTS  
6/28/1949 CGW 93007 TIRES  
6/29/1949 RI 160332 WHEELS  
6/29/1949 CWRN 188645 TIRES  
6/29/1949 CGW 93007 IMPLEMENTS  
6/30/1949 RI 160027 IMPLEMENTS  
7/5/1949 CB&Q 39167 WHEELS  
7/18/1949 CB&Q 32522 WHEELS  
7/18/1949 MILW 718596 WHEELS  
7/20/1949 WAB 45030 IMPLEMENTS  
7/20/1949 WAB 48677 IMPLEMENTS  
7/23/1949 RI 262104 IMPLEMENTS  
7/23/1949 RI 160227 IMPLEMENTS  
7/25/1949 RI 133968 FIRE BRICK  
7/25/1949 RI 160365 FIRE BRICK  
7/25/1949 RI 156298 FIRE BRICK  
7/25/1949 RI 160146 FIRE BRICK  
7/25/1949 RI 159327 FIRE BRICK  
7/25/1949 RI 159805 FIRE BRICK  
7/25/1949 RI 160302 FIRE BRICK  
7/26/1949 RI 262033 IMPLEMENTS  
7/27/1949 RI 262146 IMPLEMENTS  
7/28/1949 MILW 592920 IMPLEMENTS  
7/29/1949 RI 159069 IMPLEMENTS  
8/6/1949 CGW 40524 CLAY  
8/13/1949 NYC 110291 STEEL  
8/23/1949 SP 665523 WOOL  
9/7/1949 NYC 115640 IMPLEMENTS  
9/14/1949 RI 62165 WHEELS  
9/14/1949 UP 196880 IMPLEMENTS  
9/19/1949 CB&Q 16375 IMPLEMENTS  
9/24/1949 RI 159632 IMPLEMENTS  
9/24/1949 NYC 101626 IMPLEMENTS  
9/26/1949 RI 134552 WHEELS  
9/26/1949 PRR 106407 IMPLEMENTS  
9/30/1949 CNW 65094 WHEELS  
9/30/1949 CMO 20964 WHEELS  
10/8/1949 UP 350583 IMPLEMENTS  
10/14/1949 C&EI 4065 IMPLEMENTS  
10/14/1949 RI 140223 IMPLEMENTS  
10/14/1949 GN 45394 IMPLEMENTS  
10/24/1949 CG 40093 TIRES  
10/24/1949 ERIE 79163 TIRES  
10/24/1949 PRR 78251 TIRES  
10/25/1949 NP 20475 ENGINES  
10/28/1949 L&N 15942 PALLETS  
10/31/1949 PRR 102934 WHEELS  
10/31/1949 RI 134759 WHEELS  
10/31/1949 GN 48613 WHEELS  
11/3/1949 SP 30228 IMPLEMENTS  
11/8/1949 SP 37950 ENGINES  
11/8/1949 PRR 45769 SILICONE  
11/11/1949 N&W 45428 ENGINES  
11/17/1949 SAL 11331 ENGINES  
11/18/1949 NYC 15068 IMPLEMENTS  
11/18/1949 NYC 13319 IMPLEMENTS  
11/21/1949 MILW 20815 WHEELS  
11/21/1949 RI 160286 IMPLEMENTS  
11/26/1949 CNW 65798 ENGINES  
11/26/1949 CN 477929 ENGINES  
11/28/1949 PM 83988 TIRES  
11/28/1949 RI 160468 IMPLEMENTS  
12/2/1949 T&NO 55038 ENGINES  
12/3/1949 ACL 53284 DRILL BITS  
12/3/1949 T&NO 56863 ENGINES  
12/3/1949 CNW 107332 ENGINES  
12/5/1949 MILW 18936 WHEELS  
12/6/1949 NP 26081 TIRES  
12/7/1949 KCS 17423 BELTS  
12/19/1949 RI 157060 IMPLEMENTS  
12/20/1949 RI 160087 IMPLEMENTS  
12/20/1949 SP 100877 IMPLEMENTS  
12/27/1949 MP 47241 IMPLEMENTS  
12/27/1949 B&O 267034 IMPLEMENTS  
12/28/1949 DSSA 18062 BOLTS  
12/28/1949 NYC 157837 IMPLEMENTS  
1/3/1950 GM&O 5019 WOOD FLOOR  
1/3/1950 NYC 92075 CARBIDE  
1/3/1950 GN 18076 IMPLEMENTS  
1/7/1950 NP 15841 RIVETS  
1/9/1950 CNW 41556 IMPLEMENTS  
1/9/1950 GN 49346 IMPLEMENTS  
1/10/1950 RI 159776 WHEELS  
1/10/1950 MILW 25392 WOOD FLOOR  
1/12/1950 MILW 593090 DRILL BITS  
1/16/1950 RI 140606 WHEELS  
1/21/1950 CNW 43310 IMPLEMENTS  


Re: MM

Joseph
 

This was the Hopkins plant. Served by the M&StL on the north side and the Milwaukee on the south side.  MM had a “ downtown” plant as well.  The Bay window caboose underframes were built there
Some where i have a map of the Hopkins area....
Joe Binish  

On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 10:23 AM Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:
I've discovered the M&StL served the Minneapolis Moline plant near the Red Owl warehouse. I thought I might as well put down the products going into the plant while I have the book. After doing the Red Owl warehouse I was accustom to loads going in unless stated as out. There was a ramp by the station where they unloaded autos, have a photo. Lots of auto and implement loads. I kept thinking "Why all the implement loads?" Then there was the writing of a relief agent. He wrote down where all the loads  were for...or from. Implements were noted as MM. The light came on! All the implement loads were outbound!! So, after going though the majority of the book looking at wheels and tires I had to go back and add in all the implement loads. Some of the loads I feel are for their foundry? I haven't added number series for them yet. Doing this for the last hour and a half was enough for now.
Clark
M&StL SEAL BOOK RECORDS 6/13/1949 - 1/24/1950  
Minneapolis Moline plant HOPKINS MINN. 
DATE INITIALS NUMBER LADING SERIES
6/18/1949 GTW 591261 IMPLEMENTS  
6/18/1949 RI 262793 IMPLEMENTS  
6/28/1949 CGW 93007 TIRES  
6/29/1949 RI 160332 WHEELS  
6/29/1949 CWRN 188645 TIRES  
6/29/1949 CGW 93007 IMPLEMENTS  
6/30/1949 RI 160027 IMPLEMENTS  
7/5/1949 CB&Q 39167 WHEELS  
7/18/1949 CB&Q 32522 WHEELS  
7/18/1949 MILW 718596 WHEELS  
7/20/1949 WAB 45030 IMPLEMENTS  
7/20/1949 WAB 48677 IMPLEMENTS  
7/23/1949 RI 262104 IMPLEMENTS  
7/23/1949 RI 160227 IMPLEMENTS  
7/25/1949 RI 133968 FIRE BRICK  
7/25/1949 RI 160365 FIRE BRICK  
7/25/1949 RI 156298 FIRE BRICK  
7/25/1949 RI 160146 FIRE BRICK  
7/25/1949 RI 159327 FIRE BRICK  
7/25/1949 RI 159805 FIRE BRICK  
7/25/1949 RI 160302 FIRE BRICK  
7/26/1949 RI 262033 IMPLEMENTS  
7/27/1949 RI 262146 IMPLEMENTS  
7/28/1949 MILW 592920 IMPLEMENTS  
7/29/1949 RI 159069 IMPLEMENTS  
8/6/1949 CGW 40524 CLAY  
8/13/1949 NYC 110291 STEEL  
8/23/1949 SP 665523 WOOL  
9/7/1949 NYC 115640 IMPLEMENTS  
9/14/1949 RI 62165 WHEELS  
9/14/1949 UP 196880 IMPLEMENTS  
9/19/1949 CB&Q 16375 IMPLEMENTS  
9/24/1949 RI 159632 IMPLEMENTS  
9/24/1949 NYC 101626 IMPLEMENTS  
9/26/1949 RI 134552 WHEELS  
9/26/1949 PRR 106407 IMPLEMENTS  
9/30/1949 CNW 65094 WHEELS  
9/30/1949 CMO 20964 WHEELS  
10/8/1949 UP 350583 IMPLEMENTS  
10/14/1949 C&EI 4065 IMPLEMENTS  
10/14/1949 RI 140223 IMPLEMENTS  
10/14/1949 GN 45394 IMPLEMENTS  
10/24/1949 CG 40093 TIRES  
10/24/1949 ERIE 79163 TIRES  
10/24/1949 PRR 78251 TIRES  
10/25/1949 NP 20475 ENGINES  
10/28/1949 L&N 15942 PALLETS  
10/31/1949 PRR 102934 WHEELS  
10/31/1949 RI 134759 WHEELS  
10/31/1949 GN 48613 WHEELS  
11/3/1949 SP 30228 IMPLEMENTS  
11/8/1949 SP 37950 ENGINES  
11/8/1949 PRR 45769 SILICONE  
11/11/1949 N&W 45428 ENGINES  
11/17/1949 SAL 11331 ENGINES  
11/18/1949 NYC 15068 IMPLEMENTS  
11/18/1949 NYC 13319 IMPLEMENTS  
11/21/1949 MILW 20815 WHEELS  
11/21/1949 RI 160286 IMPLEMENTS  
11/26/1949 CNW 65798 ENGINES  
11/26/1949 CN 477929 ENGINES  
11/28/1949 PM 83988 TIRES  
11/28/1949 RI 160468 IMPLEMENTS  
12/2/1949 T&NO 55038 ENGINES  
12/3/1949 ACL 53284 DRILL BITS  
12/3/1949 T&NO 56863 ENGINES  
12/3/1949 CNW 107332 ENGINES  
12/5/1949 MILW 18936 WHEELS  
12/6/1949 NP 26081 TIRES  
12/7/1949 KCS 17423 BELTS  
12/19/1949 RI 157060 IMPLEMENTS  
12/20/1949 RI 160087 IMPLEMENTS  
12/20/1949 SP 100877 IMPLEMENTS  
12/27/1949 MP 47241 IMPLEMENTS  
12/27/1949 B&O 267034 IMPLEMENTS  
12/28/1949 DSSA 18062 BOLTS  
12/28/1949 NYC 157837 IMPLEMENTS  
1/3/1950 GM&O 5019 WOOD FLOOR  
1/3/1950 NYC 92075 CARBIDE  
1/3/1950 GN 18076 IMPLEMENTS  
1/7/1950 NP 15841 RIVETS  
1/9/1950 CNW 41556 IMPLEMENTS  
1/9/1950 GN 49346 IMPLEMENTS  
1/10/1950 RI 159776 WHEELS  
1/10/1950 MILW 25392 WOOD FLOOR  
1/12/1950 MILW 593090 DRILL BITS  
1/16/1950 RI 140606 WHEELS  
1/21/1950 CNW 43310 IMPLEMENTS  

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