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Re: Jaeger Products #2900 HO aluminum pipe gondola load instruction sheet

Richard Townsend
 

Here you go.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


Re: E&B Valley

Bob Chaparro
 

Bev-Bel Corp., formerly of Cresskill, New Jersey, was founded in 1956 by Irvin and Beverly Belkin. Bev-Bel produced limited runs of road names and schemes not generally produced by the major model railroad manufacturers, along with special-appeal rolling stock, including the Holdiay [sp?], Americana and Mexicana Models series.

I read that Irv Belkin and Irv Athearn were great friends, even went on cruises together with their wives. Athearn was the source of Bev-Bel’s undecorated HO scale freight cars

Craig Walker, formerly of Athearn’s product development unit and now working for Rapido, told me:

“Irv Athearn's nephew (Irv never had any children of his own) had in interest in trains, and was married to a woman from México. As a result of many trips there, he gathered material to produce his Mexicana Models line in a shop in Garden Grove, CA. The nephew also did some overflow pad printing for Athearn, and also did most, if not all, of Bev-Bel's printing and some painting.

As I recall, Bev-Bel eventually bought Mexicana Models from the nephew, or got an exclusive on them. But at the beginning, we at the Little Depot were able to get them from a distributor in Oceanside, which was our main Athearn supplier.

For Bev-Bel, I had to order them from Bev-Bel in New Jersey, and for years the Little Depot was the only shop in Southern California that carried the Bev-Bel line, and we did very well with them because they produced models that Irv wasn't interesting it doing - particularly on the Railbox car, which Irv only offered in RBOX and skipped all the colorful Per Diem schemes for shortlines, leaving those to be produced by his friend, Irv Belkin, at Bev-Bel.”

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: BOILER LOADS

Matt Smith
 

Here is new Kewanee Boiler with attached signage for Washington School in Bloomington, IL 1940 Pantagraph Collection of IDA.

http://idaillinois.org/digital/collection/p16614coll62/id/22841/rec/1

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Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL


Re: Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)

Chris Barkan
 

I agree that the cars in the SP train appear to have the general appearance and MP stenciling that in almost every way resembles the cars in the photos that Charlie Duckworth posted with one notable exception; the car in the SP train lacks the diagonal bracing.  It is evident that the MP rebuilt several types of cars so there may have been some other variants that one of the MP experts here can speak to.  As to the load, could it have been lumber?  Stock cars were also used for lumber service and as Tim O'Connor pointed out as long as a car was suitable, it might be pressed into service for a commodity that it was not principally intended for.
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Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL


Re: Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)

Jerry Michels
 

Ah, nothing like getting MPHS minds together!  Jerry Michels


Re: E&B Valley

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Bill Glass was behind E&B Valley and Robin’s Rails (named for his daughter, IIRC).  They were located in the Lower Hudson Valley, in the general vicinity of Poughkeepsie.

 

Bev-Bel was not (AFAIK) involved with Bill Glass.  Separate company in New Jersey.  Dick Waite, a local dealer, was friendly with the proprietors.

 

Front Range had their own die cutter, who was somehow connected, eventually, with Intermountain, if only that he cut the dies that IM later acquired.  I spoke with him by phone once, and praised the fact that FR roofs were profiled inside and out reflecting how the panels were shaped.  He remarked that it was actually easier that way and reduced the amount of material required for the parts.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2021 1:45 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] E&B Valley

 


Wasn't
Bill Glass behind E&B Valley, Robins Rails, and Bev-Bel and even contracted to do some
molds for either Front Range or McKean?? My memories are starting to all mush together... :-D

What happened to the E&B Valley passenger cars including the Osgood Bradley car?

Tim O'Connor


On 3/7/2021 1:23 PM, Andy Miller wrote:

The good news is that it was taken over by Eastern Car Works.  The bad news is that they too seem to be out of business

 

Regards,

Andy Miller

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2021 1:15 PM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] E&B Valley

 

I believe this company is out of business.
Did another company or companies take over their product line?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Jaeger Products #2900 HO aluminum pipe gondola load instruction sheet

Steven D Johnson
 

Does someone have the instruction sheet for this kit that you could scan for me?

 

Jaeger Products #2900 HO aluminum pipe gondola load instruction sheet

 

Thanks,

 

Steve Johnson

Nashville, TN


Re: E&B Valley

Tim O'Connor
 


Wasn't Bill Glass behind E&B Valley, Robins Rails, and Bev-Bel and even contracted to do some
molds for either Front Range or McKean?? My memories are starting to all mush together... :-D

What happened to the E&B Valley passenger cars including the Osgood Bradley car?

Tim O'Connor


On 3/7/2021 1:23 PM, Andy Miller wrote:

The good news is that it was taken over by Eastern Car Works.  The bad news is that they too seem to be out of business ☹

 

Regards,

Andy Miller

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2021 1:15 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] E&B Valley

 

I believe this company is out of business.
Did another company or companies take over their product line?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


BOILER LOADS

WILLIAM PARDIE
 


We recently had a great photo of a WP flat car with a load of BIRCHFIELD boilers posted on this list.  Multiscale Digital produces thus model and Gerald Glow has the decals.  Multiscale also offers a Kewanee boiler.  Was there any lettering on this boiler when shipped?

Thanks in advance:

Bill Pardie


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Re: E&B Valley

Andy Miller
 

The good news is that it was taken over by Eastern Car Works.  The bad news is that they too seem to be out of business

 

Regards,

Andy Miller

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2021 1:15 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] E&B Valley

 

I believe this company is out of business.
Did another company or companies take over their product line?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


E&B Valley

Bob Chaparro
 

I believe this company is out of business.
Did another company or companies take over their product line?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)

Charlie Duckworth
 

It’s all detailed in Ed Hawkins response above. 
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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)

Steven D Johnson
 

Tim,

 

I have a photo of an L&N coke car in Mexico!

 

Steve Johnson

Nashville, TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2021 5:50 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)

 


Ed Hawkins verified the car is MP. Coke in MP (and L&N and others) cars was a common sight in Colorado
and coke-coal traveled over Donner Pass on a daily basis (usually in D&RGW cars) and probably may still.
How this car ended  up in Oregon - I don't know - but I can imagine someone needed coke there and then the
car might have been grabbed for hog fuel... who knows?

Transportation can be weird. Yesterday I was reading that a major grain shipper (Scoular) loads soybeans into
empty 40 foot international containers in Kansas City and ships the grain via the port of Los Angeles to China!
You might think that sounds very inefficient - it does to me! But it makes sense to somebody. :-D

Tim O'Connor


On 3/7/2021 1:02 AM, Todd Sullivan via groups.io wrote:

I think that finding an MP coke car on the SP Toledo Branch is a little far-fetched. The SP converted several different kinds of single sheathed boxcars into 'hog fuel' (woodchip) cars, including some 40 footers.  They al had pretty odd side doors for unloading.  Also, there was a fairly healthy business hauling woodchips from lumber mills to paper mills on the SP in Oregon beginning in the late 1940s. 

My SP freight car books are packed away, so I can't check, but did the SP have any 40 foot cars with inverse Murphy ends?  BTW, I could be easily convinced that the herald is an SP herald and not an MP herald.  Can anyone check in Tony Thompson's Boxcar book to see what this might be?

Todd Sullivan


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)

Ted Schnepf
 

Hi Charlie,

What is the base starting car for the 1277? What was the year of the rebuild? Interesting composite car.

Ted Schnepf

On Sunday, March 7, 2021, 06:44:09 AM CST, Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...> wrote:


Here's three images of the rebuilt 120000 series into coke cars.  


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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)

Tim O'Connor
 


risking going off topic... but it MIGHT impact the price of Chinese built freight car models... :-P

The article about containers of grain was yesterday because NOW the empty containers are in such
incredible demand that shippers in China are willing to pay a $10,000 premium just to get the containers
and so the empties are being shipped empty all the way back to China rather than wait to be reloaded!
A vendor in Massachusetts of imported shoes from China just spent $67,000 to move a single loaded
container from China to Los Angeles! (from NY Times)

Tim O'Connor


On 3/7/2021 9:21 AM, maynard stowe wrote:
Tim,
Pretty much anything will get loaded in back haul containers to avoid the empty shipment. As to the car in question, perhaps the SP was evaluating the design for wood chip use.
Maynard Stowe

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)

maynard stowe
 

Tim,
Pretty much anything will get loaded in back haul containers to avoid the empty shipment. As to the car in question, perhaps the SP was evaluating the design for wood chip use.
Maynard Stowe


Re: Rio Grande Oil Company HO decals special run

John Barry
 

Andy,

Really cool project.  And as I model the Bay Area, I thought it would be appropriate to add a RGOX car to my fleet.  Checking the 36 and 55 tank car tariffs RGOX is in the 36, but not the 55.  When I looked at my Jan 43 and Oct 44 ORERs, RGOX is AWOL also.  Do you know when the Rio Grande tank car fleet was sold and to whom?

John

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696 


Re: Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)

Charlie Duckworth
 

Here's three images of the rebuilt 120000 series into coke cars.  


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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: eBay Follies

Ray Hutchison
 

I think they were loaded through the end door.



:-)


Re: Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)

Tim O'Connor
 


Ed Hawkins verified the car is MP. Coke in MP (and L&N and others) cars was a common sight in Colorado
and coke-coal traveled over Donner Pass on a daily basis (usually in D&RGW cars) and probably may still.
How this car ended  up in Oregon - I don't know - but I can imagine someone needed coke there and then the
car might have been grabbed for hog fuel... who knows?

Transportation can be weird. Yesterday I was reading that a major grain shipper (Scoular) loads soybeans into
empty 40 foot international containers in Kansas City and ships the grain via the port of Los Angeles to China!
You might think that sounds very inefficient - it does to me! But it makes sense to somebody. :-D

Tim O'Connor


On 3/7/2021 1:02 AM, Todd Sullivan via groups.io wrote:
I think that finding an MP coke car on the SP Toledo Branch is a little far-fetched. The SP converted several different kinds of single sheathed boxcars into 'hog fuel' (woodchip) cars, including some 40 footers.  They al had pretty odd side doors for unloading.  Also, there was a fairly healthy business hauling woodchips from lumber mills to paper mills on the SP in Oregon beginning in the late 1940s. 

My SP freight car books are packed away, so I can't check, but did the SP have any 40 foot cars with inverse Murphy ends?  BTW, I could be easily convinced that the herald is an SP herald and not an MP herald.  Can anyone check in Tony Thompson's Boxcar book to see what this might be?

Todd Sullivan

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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