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Re: BOILER LOADS

Bill Keene
 

With a shipping weight of only 213 pounds I doubt that a flat car was required. I did notice that dimensions were not given in the handbook data … so … the Turboencabulator might be a large item of rather light material. Thinking about this … a flat car might have been necessary. 

Would a PC cab-forward in Utah be in pool service and running off miles to balance the sharing? 

Please post the photo!

Cheers & Giggles,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Mar 8, 2021, at 9:47 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

I have a photo of one of these on a raised-center flat car behind a Penn Central cab forward taken somewhere in Utah.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
Turboencabulator - Wikipedia


Mis-routed Cars ... was Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)

Jim Betz
 

Elden,
  And why would you expect your operators to be any less human than
the guys on the 1-1 RRs.  *G*  

  Your operators probably said "If Elden put it in the train it must need to
be delivered somewhere!" - because Elden NEVER makes a mistake.
  Or they might have 'gotten creative' and rolled a waybill in a carcard
"for you" so that it made "sense" to deliver it.

  Besides - those cars just balanced out the ones they pulled and brought
back to you when the waybill clearly indicated it should stay at right where
it was.  *VBG*
                                                                                      - Jim


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)

CJ Riley
 

In my youth U commuted with a Pennsy man whose job was to locate missing or misrouted cars. A full time job it seemed. The worst were a pair of long missing PRR box cars he finally located in Mexico. The were fully equipped as homes with windows and all and occupied by two families. He wrote them off as wrecked.





Re: Rio Grande Oil Company HO decals special run

Richard Townsend
 

This brings to mind Tony Thompson's trick enabling him to run a tank car decorated for the Mutual Oil Company long after Mutual had been absorbed by Conoco. He heavily weathered the car and changed the reporting marks, but not the number, to CONX. Quite clever, in my estimation.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Parker via groups.io <spottab@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2021 8:25 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rio Grande Oil Company HO decals special run

On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 04:37 AM, John Barry wrote:
Now if I can figure out which of the ROX 10K cars came from the RGOX prototypes for the Tangent cars.
The exact same cars, with the same car numbers, appear as RGOX cars in the 1936 tariff, and as ROX cars in the 1955 edition.  These were cars 201, 203-210, 226-240.  These were (very likely) all 10-kgal GATC 1917 design cars with 256-gal domes.  The tank volumes match exactly across the two tariffs.
 
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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: An unusual car - compressed gas

Philip Dove
 

In the late victorian era up to the early 1950s many British railways had coaches lit by Pintsche Gas. in the 1900s there were at least two crashes where the result was far worse due to the gas tanks rupturing and setting fire to the wreckage. The board of trade investigations concluded the gas lighting was a major factor and recommended that Gas lighting was dropped, during the 1920s and 1930s it was used less and less. The Quintinshill disaster in 1915 was topped off by fire when gas lit coaches and a coal train burnt for over 24 hours. It was thought that most of the soldiers were dead before their cremation in the wreckage.

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On Mon, 8 Mar 2021 at 15:26, John Riddell <riddellj@...> wrote:

The CN used old wood second-class coaches in commuter service out of Toronto Union Station into the mid 1950s. Some of these old cars were gas-lit.

 

John Riddell

 

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NJI&I to Wabash at Pine

Gary Roe
 

I was recently able to acquire 4 pages of "Daily Interchange Report of Cars" from the NJI&I to the Wabash at Pine, Indiana.  For those unfamiliar with the NJI&I, it was a Wabash subsidiary which ran about 11 miles from South Bend to Pine.  The following list is dated 06May53.  It is cars which were left between 11P and midnight for pick up by Eastbound Wabash Train #96.  Employee timetable shows #96 due at Pine around 3A; but a note on the report shows it due at Pine around 9A on 07May.  All cars originated at South Bend.  I am showing Initials, Number, Destination, Contents.

Looks like Studebaker was going strong in 1953!

Hope the formatting comes thru intact.

gary roe
quincy, illinois


Wab  49219   Roxbury MA          Autos
LV   6234    Roxbury MA          Autos
LV   6649    Roxbury MA          Autos
Wab  49348   Bronx NY            Autos
Wab  49162   Warrensburg NY      Autos
Wab  49701   Somersville MA      Autos
Wab  49757   Mariden CT          Autos
LV   6627    Plattsburg NY       Autos
LV   6635    New Haven CT        Autos
LV   6618    Northampton MA      Autos
LV   6305    New Bedford MA      Autos
Wab  49325   Weehawken NJ        Autos
Wab  49136   Weehawken NJ        Autos
Wab  49526   Worcester MA        Autos
PM   83743   *                   Agricultural Implements
Wab  49512   Portsmouth NH       Autos
Wab  49462   Gardner Heywood MA  Autos
Wab  49120   Lynn MA             Autos
CP   294924  Presque Isle ME     Autos
CP   294984  Presque Isle ME     Autos
CP   294952  Cambridge MA        Autos
CN   662759  Detroit MI          Machinery
RDG  32202   Niagara Falls NY    --
RDG  102050  Milan NH            --
C&O  51134   Toledo OH           --
C&O  117019  Toledo OH           --

* Looks like "NY Ltge Sta NJ"
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Re: BOILER LOADS

Bob Chaparro
 

I have a photo of one of these on a raised-center flat car behind a Penn Central cab forward taken somewhere in Utah.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
Turboencabulator - Wikipedia


Re: Rio Grande Oil Company HO decals special run

Dave Parker
 

On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 04:37 AM, John Barry wrote:
Now if I can figure out which of the ROX 10K cars came from the RGOX prototypes for the Tangent cars.
The exact same cars, with the same car numbers, appear as RGOX cars in the 1936 tariff, and as ROX cars in the 1955 edition.  These were cars 201, 203-210, 226-240.  These were (very likely) all 10-kgal GATC 1917 design cars with 256-gal domes.  The tank volumes match exactly across the two tariffs.
 
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Guys;

Absolutely agree. Mis-routing was more common than many folks think.

I stumbled across stacks of correspondence trying to find out where cars disappeared. Sometimes it was intentional, like the routing of the "offal" car. Most often, mis-read destinations.

There were gondolas frequently mis-routed on purpose, to feed local needs. B&O hated the PRR, who scooped up B&O hoppers at every opportunity.

Many mistakes were just made by accident. Numerous cars did get off their intended route by simple cases of creating the wrong destination.

I sometimes threw a "mistake" car in my trains, to see if the operators would notice, and re-route back. Nope.

Elden Gatwood

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Ogden
Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 9:37 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)

Maybe the coke car was lost.

One of the things that did happen with alarming frequency is a car would get misdirected. On the MoPac there was an El Dorado, Kansas and an El Dorado, Arkansas and both were in oil fields and one had a Skelly and the other a Lion Oil refinery. Both were pronounced El-Doe-RAY-doe and the team tracks would sometimes get misdirected equipment will oilfield machinery. The Kansas machinery should have been sent to Arkansas for example.

The car might have been sent to Salem, Oregon instead of Salem, Illinois for interchange. Salem, Illinois was in an area where a lot of railroads crossed. Watch someone in Oregon send it to Massachusetts next.

Jim Ogden
Argyle, Texas


Re: Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)

Richard Townsend
 

If it were misdirected it wouldn’t have been too difficult to confuse Toledo, Or with Toledo. Oh. But didn’t waybills designate routing?


Re: An unusual car - compressed gas

John Riddell
 

The CN used old wood second-class coaches in commuter service out of Toronto Union Station into the mid 1950s. Some of these old cars were gas-lit.

 

John Riddell

 

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Re: Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)

Ted Schnepf
 

Hi Jim and list,

The railroads were notorious for mixing up destinations. I was shipping rail out of Casper Wyoming in the 1990's to Crawford, WISCONSIN. About half the loads went to Crawford, NEBRASKA, with several days of delay enroute. Both locations were on the BN.

Ted Schnepf


On Monday, March 8, 2021, 08:36:58 AM CST, Jim Ogden <sjogden@...> wrote:


Maybe the coke car was lost.

One of the things that did happen with alarming frequency is a car would get misdirected.  On the MoPac there was an El Dorado, Kansas and an El Dorado, Arkansas and both were in oil fields and one had a Skelly and the other a Lion Oil refinery.  Both were pronounced El-Doe-RAY-doe and the team tracks would sometimes get misdirected equipment will oilfield machinery.  The Kansas machinery should have been sent to Arkansas for example.

The car might have been sent to Salem, Oregon instead of Salem, Illinois for interchange.  Salem, Illinois was in an area where a lot of railroads crossed.  Watch someone in Oregon send it to Massachusetts next.

Jim Ogden
Argyle, Texas


Re: E&B Valley

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thanks, Dennis, for clarifying that it was Fred Brummet, who was the tool maker.  I remember (NOW, of course) that he was in at the beginning of Intermountain.  The practices of Mr Becker certainly leave something to be desired in the ethics department.  It’s unfortunate that he essentially killed a couple of promising companies.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2021 7:02 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] E&B Valley

 

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 10:54 AM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

Front Range had their own die cutter, who was somehow connected, eventually, with Intermountain, if only that he cut the dies that IM later acquired.  I spoke with him by phone once, and praised the fact that FR roofs were profiled inside and out reflecting how the panels were shaped.  He remarked that it was actually easier that way and reduced the amount of material required for the parts.

 

The toolmaker at Front Range Products (AKA Tapp Industries) was Fred Brummet (sp?). He was later one of the founding partners at Intermountain.

Fred Becker, owner of Front Range and Brummet's boss, liked to sell tooling services. They tooled the 50' PS-1 for Bill Glass, the 40' PS-1 for Bill McKean, and a GP-9 for some outfit called East Coast Models, IIRC. Becker liked to promote projects, build the tooling, run production all out of proportion to sales, then bill the customer, and take the tools back when the customer wouldn't, or couldn't pay. This is how both the GP-9 and PS-1 ended up in the Front Range product like. Eventually, Becker took the McKean name, too.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)

Jerry Michels
 

Like the Merchandise boxcars, the MP built cars in two different lengths. The MP had thousands of 21000-series 36' boxcars they seemed to use a lot for building new classes of cars, including a lot of cabooses. Jerry Michels


Re: Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)

Jim Ogden
 

Maybe the coke car was lost.

One of the things that did happen with alarming frequency is a car would get misdirected. On the MoPac there was an El Dorado, Kansas and an El Dorado, Arkansas and both were in oil fields and one had a Skelly and the other a Lion Oil refinery. Both were pronounced El-Doe-RAY-doe and the team tracks would sometimes get misdirected equipment will oilfield machinery. The Kansas machinery should have been sent to Arkansas for example.

The car might have been sent to Salem, Oregon instead of Salem, Illinois for interchange. Salem, Illinois was in an area where a lot of railroads crossed. Watch someone in Oregon send it to Massachusetts next.

Jim Ogden
Argyle, Texas


Re: Flat Car Deck: What Color?

Tim O'Connor
 


Somewhere I recall (RPM meet? Sunshine kit instructions?) that the STMFC era Santa Fe used creosoted wood decks.


On 3/7/2021 9:35 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:

Flat Car Deck: What Color?

I have a Tangent Scale Models HO scale GSC sixty-foot flatcar. The car is supposed to be a Santa Fe Class Ft-7.

It has a build date of 4-56 which is perfect as I model 1956. As such, I plan to very lightly weather the car.

My question is, as delivered to the Santa Fe, what color would the wood deck have been? Raw wood? Treated wood? Body color? Tangent painted the deck gray, which somehow does not seem correct.

Anyone have a definitive answer based on this class of car or known Santa Fe practice.? I’d rather avoid conjecture.

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro



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Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: An unusual car - compressed gas

Charles Peck
 

I found that railroads were not the only users of Pintsch Gas.  It was also used to light coastal buoys and such.  The pictured car could therefore be delivering gas for those uses as well as rail needs.

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 10:04 PM Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> wrote:
On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 06:42 PM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI wrote:
Surprised to see one in service in 1961 (a year after this list’s end date). 
It does seem rather late, but CN had lots of little branchlines where they had to continue passenger service. Electric lighting of passenger cars in this service was always problematic because the cars typically didn't run fast enough to fully recharge the batteries. A lot of roads this side of the border reverted to kerosene lamps in this service, the lightweight rib side cars the Milwaukee Road built during the thirties for this sort of service were built with kerosene lamps, The CN must have thought enough of the Pintsch system to keep their gas production plant in service, and therefore needed cars to deliver to outlying terminals.

More info: http://www.catskillarchive.com/rrextra/sdgas.Html

Dennis Storzek


Re: Rio Grande Oil Company HO decals special run

jerryglow2
 

The pump
 


Re: Rio Grande Oil Company HO decals special run

John Barry
 

Disappointment, yes and no.  Yes about not lettering a car in Andy's colorful livery.  No in that I have insight into tank car traffic for my layout.  Richfield Oil had a tank farm served by the Santa Fe at the end of a spur from Richmond's Ferry Point.  They did not have a Bay Area refinery to the best of my knowledge.  It seems likelier than not that they would have shipped product into the Bay area via the SP coast line and interchanged to the Santa Fe for delivery making it unlikely that I'd have ROX tanks in my thru freights from Stockton but plausible to come out of Oakland on the local.  Now if I can figure out which of the ROX 10K cars came from the RGOX prototypes for the Tangent cars.  I've concluded that the two compartment RGOX 101 & 102 became ROX 792 & 798.  

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696 






On Sunday, March 7, 2021, 07:35:59 PM EST, Richard Townsend via groups.io <richtownsend@...> wrote:


Rio Grande merged with Richfield in 1936. 

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rio Grande Oil Company HO decals special run


My 1938 ORER lists RGOX under Richfield Oil of California. Cars listed as RGOX are 101,102 201-255 601-606 607, 608 609-623 800, 801 802 804-810 811-815 816

Al Smith
Sonora CA
On Sunday, March 7, 2021, 05:57:49 AM PST, John Barry <northbaylines@...> wrote:


Andy,

Really cool project.  And as I model the Bay Area, I thought it would be appropriate to add a RGOX car to my fleet.  Checking the 36 and 55 tank car tariffs RGOX is in the 36, but not the 55.  When I looked at my Jan 43 and Oct 44 ORERs, RGOX is AWOL also.  Do you know when the Rio Grande tank car fleet was sold and to whom?

John

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696 


Re: L&N Woodrack -- 4

O Fenton Wells
 

Well done Chris, good looking cars


On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 8:41 PM Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Chris 

They look fine models.

Paul Doggett.    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 8 Mar 2021, at 01:28, bigfourroad <vannessco@...> wrote:

I am sorry my photos did not make it into ioGroups. Let's try that again. Here are photos of S scale SAL pulpwood cars the SAL made from flatcars with a simple addition made from used rails.  Again apologies for the pix, they were taken into a display case - fine for display but not for pix.  Chris Rooney
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