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Re: Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)

Ted Schnepf
 

Hi Jim and list,

The railroads were notorious for mixing up destinations. I was shipping rail out of Casper Wyoming in the 1990's to Crawford, WISCONSIN. About half the loads went to Crawford, NEBRASKA, with several days of delay enroute. Both locations were on the BN.

Ted Schnepf


On Monday, March 8, 2021, 08:36:58 AM CST, Jim Ogden <sjogden@...> wrote:


Maybe the coke car was lost.

One of the things that did happen with alarming frequency is a car would get misdirected.  On the MoPac there was an El Dorado, Kansas and an El Dorado, Arkansas and both were in oil fields and one had a Skelly and the other a Lion Oil refinery.  Both were pronounced El-Doe-RAY-doe and the team tracks would sometimes get misdirected equipment will oilfield machinery.  The Kansas machinery should have been sent to Arkansas for example.

The car might have been sent to Salem, Oregon instead of Salem, Illinois for interchange.  Salem, Illinois was in an area where a lot of railroads crossed.  Watch someone in Oregon send it to Massachusetts next.

Jim Ogden
Argyle, Texas
Re: E&B Valley

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thanks, Dennis, for clarifying that it was Fred Brummet, who was the tool maker.  I remember (NOW, of course) that he was in at the beginning of Intermountain.  The practices of Mr Becker certainly leave something to be desired in the ethics department.  It’s unfortunate that he essentially killed a couple of promising companies.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2021 7:02 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] E&B Valley

 

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 10:54 AM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

Front Range had their own die cutter, who was somehow connected, eventually, with Intermountain, if only that he cut the dies that IM later acquired.  I spoke with him by phone once, and praised the fact that FR roofs were profiled inside and out reflecting how the panels were shaped.  He remarked that it was actually easier that way and reduced the amount of material required for the parts.

 

The toolmaker at Front Range Products (AKA Tapp Industries) was Fred Brummet (sp?). He was later one of the founding partners at Intermountain.

Fred Becker, owner of Front Range and Brummet's boss, liked to sell tooling services. They tooled the 50' PS-1 for Bill Glass, the 40' PS-1 for Bill McKean, and a GP-9 for some outfit called East Coast Models, IIRC. Becker liked to promote projects, build the tooling, run production all out of proportion to sales, then bill the customer, and take the tools back when the customer wouldn't, or couldn't pay. This is how both the GP-9 and PS-1 ended up in the Front Range product like. Eventually, Becker took the McKean name, too.

Dennis Storzek

Re: Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)

Jerry Michels
 

Like the Merchandise boxcars, the MP built cars in two different lengths. The MP had thousands of 21000-series 36' boxcars they seemed to use a lot for building new classes of cars, including a lot of cabooses. Jerry Michels
Re: Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)

Jim Ogden
 

Maybe the coke car was lost.

One of the things that did happen with alarming frequency is a car would get misdirected. On the MoPac there was an El Dorado, Kansas and an El Dorado, Arkansas and both were in oil fields and one had a Skelly and the other a Lion Oil refinery. Both were pronounced El-Doe-RAY-doe and the team tracks would sometimes get misdirected equipment will oilfield machinery. The Kansas machinery should have been sent to Arkansas for example.

The car might have been sent to Salem, Oregon instead of Salem, Illinois for interchange. Salem, Illinois was in an area where a lot of railroads crossed. Watch someone in Oregon send it to Massachusetts next.

Jim Ogden
Argyle, Texas
Re: Flat Car Deck: What Color?

Tim O'Connor
 


Somewhere I recall (RPM meet? Sunshine kit instructions?) that the STMFC era Santa Fe used creosoted wood decks.


On 3/7/2021 9:35 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:

Flat Car Deck: What Color?

I have a Tangent Scale Models HO scale GSC sixty-foot flatcar. The car is supposed to be a Santa Fe Class Ft-7.

It has a build date of 4-56 which is perfect as I model 1956. As such, I plan to very lightly weather the car.

My question is, as delivered to the Santa Fe, what color would the wood deck have been? Raw wood? Treated wood? Body color? Tangent painted the deck gray, which somehow does not seem correct.

Anyone have a definitive answer based on this class of car or known Santa Fe practice.? I’d rather avoid conjecture.

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Re: An unusual car - compressed gas

Charles Peck
 

I found that railroads were not the only users of Pintsch Gas.  It was also used to light coastal buoys and such.  The pictured car could therefore be delivering gas for those uses as well as rail needs.

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 10:04 PM Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> wrote:
On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 06:42 PM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI wrote:
Surprised to see one in service in 1961 (a year after this list’s end date). 
It does seem rather late, but CN had lots of little branchlines where they had to continue passenger service. Electric lighting of passenger cars in this service was always problematic because the cars typically didn't run fast enough to fully recharge the batteries. A lot of roads this side of the border reverted to kerosene lamps in this service, the lightweight rib side cars the Milwaukee Road built during the thirties for this sort of service were built with kerosene lamps, The CN must have thought enough of the Pintsch system to keep their gas production plant in service, and therefore needed cars to deliver to outlying terminals.

More info: http://www.catskillarchive.com/rrextra/sdgas.Html

Dennis Storzek

Re: Rio Grande Oil Company HO decals special run

jerryglow2
 

The pump
 
Re: Rio Grande Oil Company HO decals special run

John Barry
 

Disappointment, yes and no.  Yes about not lettering a car in Andy's colorful livery.  No in that I have insight into tank car traffic for my layout.  Richfield Oil had a tank farm served by the Santa Fe at the end of a spur from Richmond's Ferry Point.  They did not have a Bay Area refinery to the best of my knowledge.  It seems likelier than not that they would have shipped product into the Bay area via the SP coast line and interchanged to the Santa Fe for delivery making it unlikely that I'd have ROX tanks in my thru freights from Stockton but plausible to come out of Oakland on the local.  Now if I can figure out which of the ROX 10K cars came from the RGOX prototypes for the Tangent cars.  I've concluded that the two compartment RGOX 101 & 102 became ROX 792 & 798.  

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696 






On Sunday, March 7, 2021, 07:35:59 PM EST, Richard Townsend via groups.io <richtownsend@...> wrote:


Rio Grande merged with Richfield in 1936. 

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rio Grande Oil Company HO decals special run


My 1938 ORER lists RGOX under Richfield Oil of California. Cars listed as RGOX are 101,102 201-255 601-606 607, 608 609-623 800, 801 802 804-810 811-815 816

Al Smith
Sonora CA
On Sunday, March 7, 2021, 05:57:49 AM PST, John Barry <northbaylines@...> wrote:


Andy,

Really cool project.  And as I model the Bay Area, I thought it would be appropriate to add a RGOX car to my fleet.  Checking the 36 and 55 tank car tariffs RGOX is in the 36, but not the 55.  When I looked at my Jan 43 and Oct 44 ORERs, RGOX is AWOL also.  Do you know when the Rio Grande tank car fleet was sold and to whom?

John

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696 
Re: L&N Woodrack -- 4

O Fenton Wells
 

Well done Chris, good looking cars


On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 8:41 PM Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Chris 

They look fine models.

Paul Doggett.    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 8 Mar 2021, at 01:28, bigfourroad <vannessco@...> wrote:

I am sorry my photos did not make it into ioGroups. Let's try that again. Here are photos of S scale SAL pulpwood cars the SAL made from flatcars with a simple addition made from used rails.  Again apologies for the pix, they were taken into a display case - fine for display but not for pix.  Chris Rooney
Chris 
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Re: BOILER LOADS

kevinhlafferty
 

Multiscale Digital also makes the finest scale model (my opinion) of the GE Turboencabulator that has ever been produced!
 
Re: Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)

Ken Roth
 

Thanks to Ed Hawkins and everyone who chimed in with this interesting puzzle.  Just to summarize what has been said:

1. Ed provides an airtight indentification.  Bravo!

2. I checked all my SP resources (carefully checking Tony Thompsons' SP boxcar and SP automobile car books).  There are NO SP boxcars which could have been the basis for this conversion.  One additional observation, the road number is not readable, but it does have 6 digits, which would be requisite for being a MoPac coke car.

3. The question remains HOW and WHY the car ended up on the Toledo branch in Oregon which mainly existed to service lumber industry on the branch.  As many have suggested, it is likely that the car was hijacked for transporting hog fuel from mills on the branch to the Willamette valley ("railroad west" but geographically eastbound) for heating.

This looks like it could be a great kitbash from an Accurail 36' box for all you MoPac fans, and those Espee fans clever enough to invent a story to justify its existence on their pike (sadly it won't fit mine - Siskiyou Line in So. Oregon).

I'd love to see the photo Ed mentioned from the RPCyc vol 14.  I don't own this one. 

Ken Roth
Re: An unusual car - compressed gas

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 06:42 PM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI wrote:
Surprised to see one in service in 1961 (a year after this list’s end date). 
It does seem rather late, but CN had lots of little branchlines where they had to continue passenger service. Electric lighting of passenger cars in this service was always problematic because the cars typically didn't run fast enough to fully recharge the batteries. A lot of roads this side of the border reverted to kerosene lamps in this service, the lightweight rib side cars the Milwaukee Road built during the thirties for this sort of service were built with kerosene lamps, The CN must have thought enough of the Pintsch system to keep their gas production plant in service, and therefore needed cars to deliver to outlying terminals.

More info: http://www.catskillarchive.com/rrextra/sdgas.Html

Dennis Storzek
Re: An unusual car - compressed gas

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

Pintsch gas was use to light passenger cars at one point. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Mar 7, 2021, at 7:47 PM, spsalso via groups.io <Edwardsutorik@...> wrote:

I just discovered this photo online:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c0/fc/7d/c0fc7d934845175f17faf35fc4477561.jpg

There was no commentary that I could see.


Ed

Edward Sutorik

Re: An unusual car - compressed gas

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

Surprised to see one in service in 1961 (a year after this list’s end date). 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Mar 7, 2021, at 8:28 PM, spsalso via groups.io <Edwardsutorik@...> wrote:

And, my heavens, the same photo shows up on Fallen Flags:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cn/cn51845jpa.jpg


Ed

Edward Sutorik

Flat Car Deck: What Color?

Bob Chaparro
 

Flat Car Deck: What Color?

I have a Tangent Scale Models HO scale GSC sixty-foot flatcar. The car is supposed to be a Santa Fe Class Ft-7.

It has a build date of 4-56 which is perfect as I model 1956. As such, I plan to very lightly weather the car.

My question is, as delivered to the Santa Fe, what color would the wood deck have been? Raw wood? Treated wood? Body color? Tangent painted the deck gray, which somehow does not seem correct.

Anyone have a definitive answer based on this class of car or known Santa Fe practice.? I’d rather avoid conjecture.

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
Re: An unusual car - compressed gas

spsalso
 

And, my heavens, the same photo shows up on Fallen Flags:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cn/cn51845jpa.jpg


Ed

Edward Sutorik
Re: An unusual car - compressed gas

Lloyd Keyser
 

Pinch gas is made by the railroad and is used for non electrified coach lights. Each car has a storage tank mounted underneath  which is filled before each run. Usually  you can see a gas line down the center of the roof connecting to each of the lamps.

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 7:47 PM spsalso via groups.io <Edwardsutorik=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I just discovered this photo online:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c0/fc/7d/c0fc7d934845175f17faf35fc4477561.jpg

There was no commentary that I could see.


Ed

Edward Sutorik

Re: An unusual car - compressed gas

spsalso
 

I just discovered this photo online:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c0/fc/7d/c0fc7d934845175f17faf35fc4477561.jpg

There was no commentary that I could see.


Ed

Edward Sutorik
Re: L&N Woodrack -- 4

Paul Doggett
 

Chris 

They look fine models.

Paul Doggett.    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 8 Mar 2021, at 01:28, bigfourroad <vannessco@...> wrote:

I am sorry my photos did not make it into ioGroups. Let's try that again. Here are photos of S scale SAL pulpwood cars the SAL made from flatcars with a simple addition made from used rails.  Again apologies for the pix, they were taken into a display case - fine for display but not for pix.  Chris Rooney
Chris 
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<IMG_4281.JPG>
Re: L&N Woodrack -- 4

bigfourroad
 

I am sorry my photos did not make it into ioGroups. Let's try that again. Here are photos of S scale SAL pulpwood cars the SAL made from flatcars with a simple addition made from used rails.  Again apologies for the pix, they were taken into a display case - fine for display but not for pix.  Chris Rooney
Chris 
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