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Re: Photo: CCC&StL And Seaboard Boxcars (1937)

al_brown03
 

The Seaboard car (flat end, single diagonal strap in the end panel, corrugated door) looks like class B-5: Golden, Lines South 4th/04 pp 22-30 and Wider, RP CYC 18 pp 45-51.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Fw: Milwaukee road flood photo

Charlie Vlk
 

Ted and All-

I don’t think it is a Q “Cream” car….just doesn’t have that presence.  Besides, the picture is taken after the Milwaukee Road adopted the Elgin Watch Company designed numerals that are displayed in the headlight numberboard which, I believe, were a late 1930s change.   By that time the Q cars were in MOW service.   The ones with fishbelly underframes has a letterboard fascia and dual baggage doors, not plug reefer doors.   The roof was a very flat turtleback, not round.

And they were longer than the 36-40 Ft as the car in the photo appears to be.

Charlie Vlk

 

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The mystery car matches NYC milk cars well: canvas covered roof, absence of roofwalk, single vertical grab iron at end of side, no side ladder, rounded corner post, flush doors. In milk service there were several round vents on the roof centerline, but these could have been removed later. These milk cars did show up in express service in the 50s as milk business declined.  I recall seeing a photo of one on the Santa Fe in a westbound train behind a 4-8-4. 
Jack Mullen


Re: Fw: Milwaukee road flood photo

poweredby251
 

One example of the WRX cars.

John Gadow


Re: Fw: Milwaukee road flood photo

Jack Mullen
 

The mystery car matches NYC milk cars well: canvas covered roof, absence of roofwalk, single vertical grab iron at end of side, no side ladder, rounded corner post, flush doors. In milk service there were several round vents on the roof centerline, but these could have been removed later. These milk cars did show up in express service in the 50s as milk business declined.  I recall seeing a photo of one on the Santa Fe in a westbound train behind a 4-8-4. 
Jack Mullen


Re: Fw: Milwaukee road flood photo

poweredby251
 

Western Refrigerator Line (WRX reporting marks) out of Green Bay WI had a series of insulated boxcars, wood with reefer style doors.  Almost all were painted white as in the flood picture, and most were lettered for GBW or International Milling.  Not sure if any had that rounded roofline though.....

John Gadow


Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: CCC&StL And Seaboard Boxcars (1937)

Bruce Smith
 

Dan,
The F&C X28? Why would you say that? http://www.fandckits.com/HOFreight/7000.html
Maybe you're thinking of the Sunshine kits?

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Ben and Group

I do not believe that these kits have been available for a while.

Has there been any change?

Thanks,
Dan Smith


Re: Photo: CCC&StL And Seaboard Boxcars (1937)

 

Ben and Group

I do not believe that these kits have been available for a while.

Has there been any change?

Thanks,
Dan Smith


Re: Locomotives to the USSR via Portland, OR and the SP&S

Richard Wilkens
 

Bruce,

Yes the power cars were on standard gauge trucks and were swapped out with 5' gauge trucks when loaded on the ships. The standard gauge trucks were originally sent back to the factories building the power trains but at one point they were offered for sale to the SP&S. At the time the SP&S wasn't in need of extra cast steel trucks so they declined.

Rich Wilkens


Re: Photo: CCC&StL And Seaboard Boxcars (1937)

Benjamin Hom
 

Jack Mullen wrote:
"I think the PRR boxcar to the left is an X28a, based on the height relative to the other two cars, which I assume are 8'7" / 8'6" IH.  I can't quite resolve the class stencil nor dimensional data.  Other than height I don't know any useful spotting features to distinguish an X28A from X29."

The second panel to the left of the door on cars rebuilt to Class X28A is noticeably narrower than the rest of the panels, a legacy of its prior life as an automobile car.  (I posted the attached side-by-side years ago to the group files section.)  This feature is blocked by a tree in the referenced photo.

Another possible spotting feature is a weld seam or narrow reinforcement plate down the center of the door.  Some cars used doors recycled from the original automobile boxcars by the shops welding together sections from two half doors.  The widely circulated photo of PRR 123456 shows a three-panel door with a reinforcement plate at the seam.


Ben Hom


Re: Fw: Milwaukee road flood photo

Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
 

And as the rail milk traffic went to trucks, not unheard of to use milk cars in express traffic, which could take them off line.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Photo: CCC&StL And Seaboard Boxcars (1937)

Jack Mullen
 

I think the PRR boxcar to the left is an X28a, based on the height relative to the other two cars, which I assume are 8'7" / 8'6" IH.  I can't quite resolve the class stencil nor dimensional data.  Other than height I don't know any useful spotting features to distinguish an X28A from X29. 
Jack Mullen


Re: Fw: Milwaukee road flood photo

Don Burn
 

The Burlington had fish belly underframe milk cars, see RMJ August 2005 page 15. I can't swear it is one of these cars, but it seems more likely than the NYC or Rutland.

Don Burn

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Hello Everyone,

I need some expert advice on the car behind the tender of this engine.

First the photo is from the Milwaukee Road calendar for the month of March this year. The photo is at Dubuque, Iowa along the Mississippi, during a normal flood, in April of 1951.

Now look at the car behind the locomotive tender, at the first car. This house car has a fish belly underframe, reefer style plug door, and no reefer hatches on the roof. Reminds me of a NYC milk car?

But if it is NYC, what is it doing in eastern Iowa?

North of Dubuque is Lansing, where live fish were shipped in baggage cars, for the Kosher trade in New York City, and other spots in the north east.

I will be interested in hearing your responses.

Ted Schnepf

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Fw: Milwaukee road flood photo

Ted Schnepf
 

Hello Everyone,

I need some expert advice on the car behind the tender of this engine.

First the photo is from the Milwaukee Road calendar for the month of March this year. The photo is at Dubuque, Iowa along the Mississippi, during a normal flood, in April of 1951.

Now look at the car behind the locomotive tender, at the first car. This house car has a fish belly underframe, reefer style plug door, and no reefer hatches on the roof. Reminds me of a NYC milk car?

But if it is NYC, what is it doing in eastern Iowa?

North of Dubuque is Lansing, where live fish were shipped in baggage cars, for the Kosher trade in New York City, and other spots in the north east.

I will be interested in hearing your responses.

Ted Schnepf
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Re: Photo: CCC&StL And Seaboard Boxcars (1937)

Patrick Wade
 

This looks like a different view of a photo posted earlier. That caption said the material was for an electric transmission tower from Hoover Dam. 

Pat Wade
Santa Barbara, CA

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 11:33 AM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: CCC&StL And Seaboard Boxcars (1937)

A photo from the Huntington Library:

https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/31292/rec/2217

Click on the arrows and scroll to enlarge the photo.

Not a great photo, unfortunately, but some detail visible.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: CCC&StL And Seaboard Boxcars (1937)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: CCC&StL And Seaboard Boxcars (1937)

A photo from the Huntington Library:

https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/31292/rec/2217

Click on the arrows and scroll to enlarge the photo.

Not a great photo, unfortunately, but some detail visible.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Gondolas (1937)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Gondolas (1937)

A photo from the Huntington Library:

https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/31550/rec/1164

Click on the arrow and scroll to enlarge the photo.

These cars were bringing materials to construct the Boulder-Chino Electric Transmission Line.

The first gondola is ATSF 170543 (?). This is a class Ga-8 gondola, a forty-eight-foot mill gondola built in 1923 by Pullman-Standard in an order for 300 cars. It appears that Santa Fe started rebuilding the 299 remaining cars in 1945. Their numbers rapidly dwindled from 285 in 1953 to 58 in 1956. Only four were left by 1965.

Some very good photos of Ga-8 cars appear in Hendrickson’s Santa Fe Open Top Cars, beginning on Page 141.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Suggest A Model To Rapido Trains

Bob Chaparro
 

Suggest A Model To Rapido Trains

An announcement from Craig Walker at Rapido Trains.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Model Railroads of Southern California

https://groups.io/g/ModelRailroadsofSoCalif

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Rapido Trains has added an online form for suggesting new models for us to consider.

And it works really well!  We can sort the replies in various ways, for example, to ascertain which models are getting the most requests, or which scales are most in demand for a particular model, and several other ways, too, that I have now forgotten.  

So, please feel free to use this to suggest anything - and I do mean anything! - that you would like to see us produce!

Here is the link:  https://form.jotform.com/210555532174249

And don't worry if you asked for a few things and forgot some - there is no time limit on this.

Craig


Re: Locomotives to the USSR via Portland, OR and the SP&S

Bruce Smith
 

Richard,

Great stuff! It would appear that the converter cars were to handle the power plant trains. It is interesting that they were moved on the rail, presumably using US gauge trucks, and presumably having their trucks swapped to 5' gauge at some point.

I note that at least 2 of the 70-ton NYC flats for hauling the locomotives appear to be in "captive" service, with instructions to return with loading devices (rails, etc...) intact. These cars were then NOT in the national pool. Very interesting. 

I also note the speed limits of 30 mph for locos and 25 mph for the power plants. 

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Hi All,

The material Paul Hobbs used in creation of his article came from the SP&S Railway Historical Society Archives and this comes from SP&S File 272-17-3 "Exports to Russia".

I have attached a few letters from this file which are for the locomotives and the power trains. Besides the PRR "converter cars" (cars with knuckle couplers one end and Willison couplers on the other end) there were also DL&W cars setup this way.

Richard Wilkens

Editor "The Northwest's Own Railway"
Archivist, SP&S Railway Historical Society


New Haven TOFC Clinic

Peter Ness
 

With a lot of help I've been able to piece together a more complete set of information on the latter-era New Haven Trailer Cars (beginning about 1956).

I've added a P-S general arrangement diagram for the Clejans and some new prototype photos, a model photo and a few more period ads from trucking companies that the New Haven served.

You can find the clinic here: https://sites.google.com/view/newhavenrailroad1959/tofc-service-on-the-new-haven-clinic

If you have even passing interest in Northeast Piggyback operations (or trucking companies) between the late 1930's to 1960, you may find something of interest.

Please note my website is moved as the 15 year long free hosting I've enjoyed ceases to exist in a couple of weeks. 

Enjoy,
Peter Ness


Re: Locomotives to the USSR via Portland, OR and the SP&S

Richard Wilkens
 

Hi All,

The material Paul Hobbs used in creation of his article came from the SP&S Railway Historical Society Archives and this comes from SP&S File 272-17-3 "Exports to Russia".

I have attached a few letters from this file which are for the locomotives and the power trains. Besides the PRR "converter cars" (cars with knuckle couplers one end and Willison couplers on the other end) there were also DL&W cars setup this way.

Richard Wilkens

Editor "The Northwest's Own Railway"
Archivist, SP&S Railway Historical Society

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