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Re: L&N Woodrack -- 5

O Fenton Wells
 

Well done Bob, good looking car
Fenton 


On Mar 11, 2021, at 12:50 PM, Bob Chapman <chapbob4014@...> wrote:


L&N’s “steelie” woodracks (#20350-20499) were rebuilt in 1948 from 36-foot double-sheathed boxcars built in 1923. The two-sided Murphy ends were pirated from a Sunshine Models MP woodrack kit (the kit leftovers became a MP flatcar). The rest of the model was scratchbuilt from styrene. Detailing is similar to previous cars in this series, and the load is cast plaster.  
 
Regards,
Bob Chapman
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Re: Does anyone have info on Klingan 943?

Douglas Harding
 

Here is the brake end.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 12:35 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Does anyone have info on Klingan 943?

 

On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 08:46 AM, Douglas Harding wrote:

The attached photo is of Kingan 1400, built by ACF in 1920. Believe this is from the ACF collection at the Barriger Library Flickr site.

 

 

Amazing. That car was ten years obsolete the day it was built. Admittedly it most likely has steel channels for center sills, but the rest looks to be identical to the 1910 built car.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Does anyone have info on Klingan 943?

Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 08:46 AM, Douglas Harding wrote:

The attached photo is of Kingan 1400, built by ACF in 1920. Believe this is from the ACF collection at the Barriger Library Flickr site.

 

 

Amazing. That car was ten years obsolete the day it was built. Admittedly it most likely has steel channels for center sills, but the rest looks to be identical to the 1910 built car.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Does anyone have info on Klingan 943?

Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 07:29 AM, Steve and Barb Hile wrote:
Switching to the Westerfield ACF lot list, Lot 5995 for Kingan was 75 cars.  In a 1930 ORER, KRLX 901-975 is a range with 58 cars in it.  So, it is likely that KRLX 943 was the same Kingan 954 from 1910.
That's too bad. I was hoping it had been built by Haskell & Barker, as there would be a good chance drawings exist of all the missing parts.

Dennis Storzek


L&N Woodrack -- 5

Bob Chapman
 

L&N’s “steelie” woodracks (#20350-20499) were rebuilt in 1948 from 36-foot double-sheathed boxcars built in 1923. The two-sided Murphy ends were pirated from a Sunshine Models MP woodrack kit (the kit leftovers became a MP flatcar). The rest of the model was scratchbuilt from styrene. Detailing is similar to previous cars in this series, and the load is cast plaster.  
 
Regards,
Bob Chapman


Re: Does anyone have info on Klingan 943?

Douglas Harding
 

The attached photo is of Kingan 1400, built by ACF in 1920. Believe this is from the ACF collection at the Barriger Library Flickr site.

 

From the Feb 1913 ORER

 

From the June 1917 ORER

 

In later years Kingan also leased reefers from National Car Co. https://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=859&Categoryid=21

 

Photo of KRLX 6777 rebuilt in the 40s http://magazine.trainlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/rmj_199703.pdf

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 9:29 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Does anyone have info on Klingan 943?

 

The ORER records are pretty inscrutable, but there is a picture of Kingan 954 in Kaminsky and Hendrickson’s Billboard reefer book showing it to be an ACF product in 1910.

 

Switching to the Westerfield ACF lot list, Lot 5995 for Kingan was 75 cars.  In a 1930 ORER, KRLX 901-975 is a range with 58 cars in it.  So, it is likely that KRLX 943 was the same Kingan 954 from 1910.

 

There may be a builder’s photo in the Barriger Library Flickr site.  I didn’t look there.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 7:56 PM
To:
main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Does anyone have info on Klingan 943?

 

About seven years ago the Indiana Transportation Museum rescued the body of KRLX 943 from a warehouse, where the carbody had been used as secure storage indoors for about seventy years. The car was built in 1910, with the last bearing repack in 1933. I understand that ITM is now defunct. Does anyone have any history on this car? Builder? In service photos?



Dennis Storzek


Re: Fw: Milwaukee road flood photo

Tim O'Connor
 


Wood sheathed ice reefers (RS) were rebuilt as RB's. In 1959 there were just 15 RB cars in the 9700 series.
I have not seen any photos of those cars. I wonder if the Branchline (or Westerfield) ACF reefers could be used
to properly model these.

Tim O'Connor


On 3/10/2021 5:23 PM, poweredby251 via groups.io wrote:
Western Refrigerator Line (WRX reporting marks) out of Green Bay WI had a series of insulated boxcars, wood with reefer style doors.  Almost all were painted white as in the flood picture, and most were lettered for GBW or International Milling.  Not sure if any had that rounded roofline though.....

John Gadow

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Does anyone have info on Klingan 943?

Steve and Barb Hile
 

The ORER records are pretty inscrutable, but there is a picture of Kingan 954 in Kaminsky and Hendrickson’s Billboard reefer book showing it to be an ACF product in 1910.

 

Switching to the Westerfield ACF lot list, Lot 5995 for Kingan was 75 cars.  In a 1930 ORER, KRLX 901-975 is a range with 58 cars in it.  So, it is likely that KRLX 943 was the same Kingan 954 from 1910.

 

There may be a builder’s photo in the Barriger Library Flickr site.  I didn’t look there.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 7:56 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Does anyone have info on Klingan 943?

 

About seven years ago the Indiana Transportation Museum rescued the body of KRLX 943 from a warehouse, where the carbody had been used as secure storage indoors for about seventy years. The car was built in 1910, with the last bearing repack in 1933. I understand that ITM is now defunct. Does anyone have any history on this car? Builder? In service photos?



Dennis Storzek


Re: Does anyone have info on Klingan 943?

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Friends,

According to this Wikipedia article, the museum is currently located in Logansport, Indiana: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Transportation_Museum . Here is their own web site: https://www.itm.org .

When I visited the Noblesville museum circa 1978, the collection was mostly traction equipment. None of this is mentioned in either of those sites.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 1:16 AM Dan Smith <espeefan@...> wrote:
I don't have any registers from that time but here is a short video clip related to Dennis' photo.

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/local/hamilton-county/2017/12/20/noblesville-evicts-indiana-transportation-museum-after-52-years/969387001/

In the video, other build dates are mentioned for the car.

Dan Smith


Re: Does anyone have info on Klingan 943?

 

I don't have any registers from that time but here is a short video clip related to Dennis' photo.

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/local/hamilton-county/2017/12/20/noblesville-evicts-indiana-transportation-museum-after-52-years/969387001/

In the video, other build dates are mentioned for the car.

Dan Smith


Jim Hayes condolences

Rich C
 

Dear Group,

                                At the request of Eva, Jim’s sister-in-law, asked me that if anyone would like to send further condolences.

You may do so at Jim’s email address:


jimhayes97225@...


Or his home address: 

Jim Hayes

11790 SW Foothills Dr

Portland OR 97225

Sincerely,
Rich Christie

 


Does anyone have info on Klingan 943?

Dennis Storzek
 

About seven years ago the Indiana Transportation Museum rescued the body of KRLX 943 from a warehouse, where the carbody had been used as secure storage indoors for about seventy years. The car was built in 1910, with the last bearing repack in 1933. I understand that ITM is now defunct. Does anyone have any history on this car? Builder? In service photos?



Dennis Storzek


Re: Photo: CCC&StL And Seaboard Boxcars (1937)

mopacfirst
 

Speaking of the kit, I have one that I have been debating whether I should finish building, since it's marginally too early for me.  I learned that from this list, by the way.

Ron Merrick


Re: Photo: CCC&StL And Seaboard Boxcars (1937)

al_brown03
 

The Seaboard car (flat end, single diagonal strap in the end panel, corrugated door) looks like class B-5: Golden, Lines South 4th/04 pp 22-30 and Wider, RP CYC 18 pp 45-51.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Fw: Milwaukee road flood photo

Charlie Vlk
 

Ted and All-

I don’t think it is a Q “Cream” car….just doesn’t have that presence.  Besides, the picture is taken after the Milwaukee Road adopted the Elgin Watch Company designed numerals that are displayed in the headlight numberboard which, I believe, were a late 1930s change.   By that time the Q cars were in MOW service.   The ones with fishbelly underframes has a letterboard fascia and dual baggage doors, not plug reefer doors.   The roof was a very flat turtleback, not round.

And they were longer than the 36-40 Ft as the car in the photo appears to be.

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jack Mullen
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 4:24 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Fw: Milwaukee road flood photo

 

The mystery car matches NYC milk cars well: canvas covered roof, absence of roofwalk, single vertical grab iron at end of side, no side ladder, rounded corner post, flush doors. In milk service there were several round vents on the roof centerline, but these could have been removed later. These milk cars did show up in express service in the 50s as milk business declined.  I recall seeing a photo of one on the Santa Fe in a westbound train behind a 4-8-4. 
Jack Mullen


Re: Fw: Milwaukee road flood photo

poweredby251
 

One example of the WRX cars.

John Gadow


Re: Fw: Milwaukee road flood photo

Jack Mullen
 

The mystery car matches NYC milk cars well: canvas covered roof, absence of roofwalk, single vertical grab iron at end of side, no side ladder, rounded corner post, flush doors. In milk service there were several round vents on the roof centerline, but these could have been removed later. These milk cars did show up in express service in the 50s as milk business declined.  I recall seeing a photo of one on the Santa Fe in a westbound train behind a 4-8-4. 
Jack Mullen


Re: Fw: Milwaukee road flood photo

poweredby251
 

Western Refrigerator Line (WRX reporting marks) out of Green Bay WI had a series of insulated boxcars, wood with reefer style doors.  Almost all were painted white as in the flood picture, and most were lettered for GBW or International Milling.  Not sure if any had that rounded roofline though.....

John Gadow


Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: CCC&StL And Seaboard Boxcars (1937)

Bruce Smith
 

Dan,
The F&C X28? Why would you say that? http://www.fandckits.com/HOFreight/7000.html
Maybe you're thinking of the Sunshine kits?

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Dan Smith <espeefan@...>
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 3:58 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: CCC&StL And Seaboard Boxcars (1937)
 
CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.
Ben and Group

I do not believe that these kits have been available for a while.

Has there been any change?

Thanks,
Dan Smith


Re: Photo: CCC&StL And Seaboard Boxcars (1937)

 

Ben and Group

I do not believe that these kits have been available for a while.

Has there been any change?

Thanks,
Dan Smith

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