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Re: BREX 74893 reefer

Tim O'Connor
 


I distinguish between the two styles by calling one "reverse", and the other "inverse".

I just can't remember which is which. :-D

Tim O'Connor


On 3/12/2021 4:00 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Dennis Storzek wrote:

Decades ago John Nehrich wanted to call them "bifurcated" ends. But they're really just the standard Dreadnaught pattern as normally seen from the inside.

      I disagree, Dennis. Look at the ribs with the "indents." They are the major ribs, not the flat parts between the ribs. On normal Dreadnaughst, the flat parts between the major ribs have the "darts" at the ends. Here the "darts" are in the ribs themselves.
        There certainly are cases of really "reversed" Dreadnaught ends, especially visible on gondolas. But I don't think this is one.

Tony Thompson


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Outrageous Foobie

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I’m happy to say that I was building One in 5000 kits when they were in the first series, and I was about ten or twelve.  They turned out well enough that I’m glad to be able to show them today.  I also built several LaBelle freight car kits in the same time span, which undoubtedly steered me toward freight cars, vs. passenger.

 

Schuyler

 


-Jeff Ford
Sanger, Texas

P.S. I recall much enjoyment of railroading with egregiously inaccurate rolling stock as a kid. I'm afraid had I attempted a resin kit at the time it would have wound up like my dime store plastic airplane kits which were more glue than plastic and unpainted to boot - equally egregious. :)


Re: Outrageous Foobie

Chris Barkan
 

Yes, Hobby Line not Penn Line  (I got my "Line"s confused)   As a kid, I remember liking their box art the best! :-)  Thanks Garth!
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Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL


Re: Outrageous Foobie

O Fenton Wells
 

Amen to that Tom, I still have my Varney red, white and Blue State of Maine boxcar and my June 1957 MR that I bought as well.  Great reminders.
Fenton

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 10:20 PM Tom Madden via groups.io <pullmanboss=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Still have my first HO loco, a Mantua Shifter I got in 1952. And the June 1948 issue of MR I bought as an 11 year old at a newsstand in Boston's South Station when my mother took me on a visit to her sister. These things serve both as reminders of and touchstones to the past.

Tom Madden



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Fenton Wells
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Re: Outrageous Foobie

Jeff Ford
 

Is it Schrodinger's car. 

Unprototypical and aprototypical at the same time?

$0.02,
-Jeff Ford
Sanger, Texas

P.S. I recall much enjoyment of railroading with egregiously inaccurate rolling stock as a kid. I'm afraid had I attempted a resin kit at the time it would have wound up like my dime store plastic airplane kits which were more glue than plastic and unpainted to boot - equally egregious. :)


Re: Outrageous Foobie

Tom Madden
 

Still have my first HO loco, a Mantua Shifter I got in 1952. And the June 1948 issue of MR I bought as an 11 year old at a newsstand in Boston's South Station when my mother took me on a visit to her sister. These things serve both as reminders of and touchstones to the past.

Tom Madden


Re: Outrageous Foobie

Bill Parks
 

"If any of these cars lead younger people to replace us when the fates finally claim us, I am all for it."

I couldn't have said it better

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Bill Parks
Cumming, GA
Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida


Re: Outrageous Foobie

Schuyler Larrabee
 

You are on target, Jim,

 

I STILL have my Mantua 0-4-0 from about 1958, and while I’ve had numerous chances to replace the tender with another that doesn’t have a broken rear step, I can’t bring myself to do that.

 

Schuyler

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of np328
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Outrageous Foobie

 

   I'll take a different take on this.  Or agree more fully with Rich Chapin. 

 Not in any way defending the car however if - this or cars like this with the poor handrails and graphic image not quite like we are used to seeing get kids interested in model railroading or at least give it a second look, great. 

What's that about the mighty oak started as a little nut? 

         All in all it poses no more danger to any here than Thomas the Tank engine, or those Lionel cars with motion of our own youth.  
And I have seen first hand how when Thomas the tank engine used to come to the roundhouse here in St. Paul, kids mobbed it. Many children hugging it. 

     I have tucked away, wrapped in paper, the little cast 0-6-0 tank engine my dad bought my brother and I when we were maybe 6, and then started down this path. I still look at it now and then and it is, in a way, my time machine.       
     
 I think many here have our own little item we look at from time to time. Rather than a sled named Rosebud, it could be a paper sided car, or an old zamac cast car, or even a blue box car.
Those have all lead us here.
      If any of these cars lead younger people to replace us when the fates finally claim us, I am all for it.                     Jim Dick - Roseville, MN 


Re: Outrageous Foobie

np328
 

   I'll take a different take on this.  Or agree more fully with Rich Chapin. 

 Not in any way defending the car however if - this or cars like this with the poor handrails and graphic image not quite like we are used to seeing get kids interested in model railroading or at least give it a second look, great. 

What's that about the mighty oak started as a little nut? 

         All in all it poses no more danger to any here than Thomas the Tank engine, or those Lionel cars with motion of our own youth.  
And I have seen first hand how when Thomas the tank engine used to come to the roundhouse here in St. Paul, kids mobbed it. Many children hugging it. 

     I have tucked away, wrapped in paper, the little cast 0-6-0 tank engine my dad bought my brother and I when we were maybe 6, and then started down this path. I still look at it now and then and it is, in a way, my time machine.       
     
 I think many here have our own little item we look at from time to time. Rather than a sled named Rosebud, it could be a paper sided car, or an old zamac cast car, or even a blue box car.
Those have all lead us here.
      If any of these cars lead younger people to replace us when the fates finally claim us, I am all for it.                     Jim Dick - Roseville, MN 


Re: Outrageous Foobie

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Chris and Friends,

I'm pretty sure the tank and underframe are from the old HObby Line kits from the late 1950s. IIRC, this tooling passed first to Lionel, then to Model Power or somebody. Now it's back with Lionel, though those outrageous handrails are a step down from the original parts. 

I had one of these once, a used piece I picked up at a train show, and I remember certain features like the coupler pockets matched some HObby Line cars I had until I plunged into HOn3 during college. The tank caught my eye because the dome was different from the usual Varney/LifeLike tanks that still clog sale tables. Like nearly all my blue box-quality roster, this one went back to a sale when I purged my roster of this sort of stuff about 30 years ago. Well, most of it. I still have a few blue box cars and similar in case visiting children clamor to run my trains. Not such a great loss if they hit the floor.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆 

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 7:35 AM Chris Barkan <cplbarkan@...> wrote:
It appears to be a Penn Line model lettered for Taiwan Rail Express; however, the "prototype" would have been Cape Gauge (3' 6") not standard...
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Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL


Re: [External] [RealSTMFC] Outrageous Foobie

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

Agreed that it is a “Fantasy” scheme … a form of freelancing. It is not an errant form of anything that actually exist, so NOT a “foobie".

Dan MItchell
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On Mar 12, 2021, at 12:51 PM, Jeff <jeffshultz@gmail.com> wrote:

Potentially laughing all the way to the bank. It's cute, and if I had
kids I'd be thinking about it.

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 9:09 AM naptownprr <jhunter@iupui.edu> wrote:

Yes, fantasy scheme is more accurate. I imagine that the person who thought it up is laughing at his/her own cleverness!


Jim

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Jeff Shultz
http://www.shultzinfosystems.com
A railfan approaches a grade crossing hoping that there will be a train.





WTB: Unstarted Sunshine Muncie and Western tall Mather box car.

Scott
 

Looking to see if somebody has one in thier stash they would part with.  This would be the tall car that is Yellow with the Jar on the door.  If you do please contact me off list.

Thanks
Scott McDonald 


Re: Santa Fe Mechanical Refrigerator Car: Coming Soon In HO Scale

James Brewer
 

Bob,

Congratulations to you and your fellow modelers for pursuing this project.

Jim Brewer

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 3:56 PM Gavin <senftgav@...> wrote:
Very interesting, I'm wondering how far north they gotm if even into Canada

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 12:54 PM mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:
Yee-haw!

Ron Merrick


Re: BREX 74893 reefer

Jack Mullen
 

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 12:47 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
Decades ago John Nehrich wanted to call them "bifurcated" ends. But they're really just the standard Dreadnaught pattern as normally seen from the inside.
I don't think that's quite true. Yes, it's quite like an indented dreadnaught end, reversed. But I see a difference in shape of the rib.  On the "innie", the indented shapes are narrow toward the centerline and widen at the ends where they contain the minor darts. The space between tapers like, well, a dreadnaught rib. Flip it inside out, and the indentations become ribs that widen at the ends. I think this pattern shows on some gon ends.

In this photo it appears the ribs have parallel edges and constant width. The flat space between ribs is consequently not tapered. Please chime in, folks. If my interpretation is wrong I'd like to know before I screw it up in O scale.

Jack Mullen


Re: BREX 74893 reefer

Tony Thompson
 

Dennis Storzek wrote:

Decades ago John Nehrich wanted to call them "bifurcated" ends. But they're really just the standard Dreadnaught pattern as normally seen from the inside.

      I disagree, Dennis. Look at the ribs with the "indents." They are the major ribs, not the flat parts between the ribs. On normal Dreadnaughst, the flat parts between the major ribs have the "darts" at the ends. Here the "darts" are in the ribs themselves.
        There certainly are cases of really "reversed" Dreadnaught ends, especially visible on gondolas. But I don't think this is one.

Tony Thompson




Re: Santa Fe Mechanical Refrigerator Car: Coming Soon In HO Scale

Gavin
 

Very interesting, I'm wondering how far north they gotm if even into Canada


On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 12:54 PM mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:
Yee-haw!

Ron Merrick


Re: Santa Fe Mechanical Refrigerator Car: Coming Soon In HO Scale

mopacfirst
 

Yee-haw!

Ron Merrick


Re: BREX 74893 reefer

Dennis Storzek
 

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 12:22 PM, Jack Mullen wrote:
Great find, Ron. Clear images of roof details are scarce. This one is also the  best I've seen of those fork-tailed-rib ends. Can't remember if we have an official name for 'em.
Decades ago John Nehrich wanted to call them "bifurcated" ends. But they're really just the standard Dreadnaught pattern as normally seen from the inside.

Dennis Storzek


Re: BREX 74893 reefer

Jack Mullen
 

Great find, Ron. Clear images of roof details are scarce. This one is also the  best I've seen of those fork-tailed-rib ends. Can't remember if we have an official name for 'em.

I think this car will be my Bill Welch project.

And this photo should go into the FGE /"Our Companies" book. BTW, I assume the location is Plattsmouth NE car shops. ? 

Jack Mullen


Re: Santa Fe Mechanical Refrigerator Car: Coming Soon In HO Scale

 

This is going to be expensive....

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Mar 12, 2021, at 1:47 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:



Santa Fe Mechanical Refrigerator Car: Coming Soon In HO Scale

The announcement from Rapido Trains:

https://rapidotrains.com/products/ho-scale/freight-cars/ho-scale-atsf-rr-56-mechanical-reefer

Today this highly accurate and detailed model was announced by Rapido Trains.

Specifically, the car will be a Santa Fe Class Rr-56 reefer. The prototype cars first appeared in 1955. Even today some of these cars serve on the Burlington Northern as buffer cars and M-O-W cars, a role they also had on the Santa Fe.

These cars overlap the ice bunker refrigerator car era by twenty years and these mechanical reefers could be seen trains mixed in with the ice bunker cars.

With a very little work this car can be converted into Class Rr-60 and Rr-61 mechanical reefers.

Santa Fe converted many of these cars into Class Bx-165 and Bx-202 insulated boxcars.

I am very proud to have been very involved in making this car a reality.

I started this project about five years ago, pitching it to Craig Walker when he was working in Athearn's Project Development. It was close to being "green lighted" when, several years ago, Horizon Hobby dismissed Craig and a few others in that group. This was totally sudden and unexpected.

Craig soon took a position with Rapido Trains. This allowed me to again pitch this project and I found a willing listener in John Sheridan at Rapido. As John gained interest in the project I provided a rationale as to why this would be a profitable venture, plus data, details and photos.

I was soon joined by John B. Moore, Greg Silva, and Keith Jordan, all of whom were a wealth of knowledge, resources and suggestions, and were quick to respond to Rapido's questions and needs. Later on, Steve Sandifer and John Signor also contributed to this project.

And now we have the car!

Bob Chaparro

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