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Re: Austin-Western lettering

Tim O'Connor
 


I can make out "THEN BLEED AIR" as the first 3 words of the top line in the sun

On 3/19/2021 12:01 PM, Eric Mumper wrote:
Group,

Circus City has printed a decal set for the CB&Q 30 cuyd Austin-Western air dump cars.  They punted on the lettering in the yellow panel.  A close-up was circulated which was not detailed enough to determine the lettering and has been attached to this email.  Does anybody know what size the lettering is and what it says?  Thanks.

Eric Mumper

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: NJI&I to Wabash at Pine - Part 2

Dennis Storzek
 

On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 06:33 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
In the case of the PRR car, that's definitely A-Ok under AAR rules.

If the PRR serves region X, then a PRR car in region X can be loaded there for -any- destination.

The ACL car, though... definitely a rule being bent there. :-D
I don't actually think any rules were bent to the breaking point... I had to read the Car Service Rules decision tree in the ORER again, and nowhere does it say to deny the shipper a car if the proper car cannot be  "reasonably obtained."  The fact that the NJI&I was an independent railroad probably works in their favor, a six mile shortline is only going to have so many empties available, and I'm not sure the AAR was going to consider requesting cars from connections reasonable. My real reason for pointing this out is nall the folks who insist empty cars always need to be routed toward home; they don't.

Dennis Storzek


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] NJI&I to Wabash at Pine - Part 2

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

There you go!  Thanks, Ben!

 

These were the Lot that had the OH diagonal panel roof, so NOT the HO models offered previously, IIRC.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Benjamin Hom
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2021 12:37 PM
To: STMFC E-List <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] NJI&I to Wabash at Pine - Part 2

 

Elden Gatwood wrote:
"Anyone got their P&LE register handy?  I think it may be a forty-foot box car, like this guy:"

Correct. P&LE 22330, from P&LE 22000-22999, 1000 cars, Lot 819-B, built 1952 at Despatch East Rochester.

 

 

Ben Hom 

 


Re: NJI&I to Wabash at Pine - Part 2

Benjamin Hom
 

Elden Gatwood wrote:
"Anyone got their P&LE register handy?  I think it may be a forty-foot box car, like this guy:"

Correct. P&LE 22330, from P&LE 22000-22999, 1000 cars, Lot 819-B, built 1952 at Despatch East Rochester.


Ben Hom 


Austin-Western lettering

Eric Mumper
 

Group,

Circus City has printed a decal set for the CB&Q 30 cuyd Austin-Western air dump cars.  They punted on the lettering in the yellow panel.  A close-up was circulated which was not detailed enough to determine the lettering and has been attached to this email.  Does anybody know what size the lettering is and what it says?  Thanks.

Eric Mumper


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] NJI&I to Wabash at Pine - Part 2

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Anyone got their P&LE register handy?  I think it may be a forty-foot box car, like this guy:

 

There were plenty of locations around Pittsburgh where machinery was manufactured.  The big stuff wouldn’t fit, so no, probably not Mesta, but maybe someone like Macintosh-Hemphill:

 

5.3 (switch conn. w/P&LE)

AS, Macintosh-Hemphill Co. – Garrison Works (forge) – mill rolls and machinery (office S. 9th and Bingham)

? Macintosh-Hemphill Co. – Garrison Works

Set-Outs: Boxcars loaded with iron and steel castings, electric motors, parts.  Empty flat cars.

Pick-Ups: Boxcars or flats loaded with machinery under tarps or in boxes. 

 

Any thoughts?

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2021 9:34 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] NJI&I to Wabash at Pine - Part 2

 


In the case of the PRR car, that's definitely A-Ok under AAR rules.

If the PRR serves region X, then a PRR car in region X can be loaded there for -any- destination.

The ACL car, though... definitely a rule being bent there. :-D

Tim

On 3/18/2021 4:01 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:

On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 12:44 PM, Gary Roe wrote:

ATSF  141494  Chicago IL          Empty

PRR   475100  Great Falls MT      Tractors

UTLX  78182   Cushing OK          Empty

SP    192877  Armona Ca           *

PLE   22330   Minneapolis MN      Machinery

ACL   51711   Chicago IL          **

A great example of how the car service rules were more honored in the breach. ACL to Chicago? P&LE to Minneapolis?? PRR to Montana??? Just goes to show, when the customer needs cars, any cars will do.

 Dennis Storzek


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: NJI&I to Wabash at Pine - Part 2

Tim O'Connor
 


In the case of the PRR car, that's definitely A-Ok under AAR rules.

If the PRR serves region X, then a PRR car in region X can be loaded there for -any- destination.

The ACL car, though... definitely a rule being bent there. :-D

Tim

On 3/18/2021 4:01 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 12:44 PM, Gary Roe wrote:
ATSF  141494  Chicago IL          Empty
PRR   475100  Great Falls MT      Tractors
UTLX  78182   Cushing OK          Empty
SP    192877  Armona Ca           *
PLE   22330   Minneapolis MN      Machinery
ACL   51711   Chicago IL          **
A great example of how the car service rules were more honored in the breach. ACL to Chicago? P&LE to Minneapolis?? PRR to Montana??? Just goes to show, when the customer needs cars, any cars will do.

 Dennis Storzek

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: NJI&I to Wabash at Pine - Part 2

Andy Laurent
 

Cabts/Cabinets are likely shipments of sewing machine cabinets from Singer in South Bend (the original builder of the NJI&I).  They made these until shuttering the plant in 1955 due to fading supply of local hardwoods. 

Andy L. 
Wisconsin


For Sale: Diesels

np328
 

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At these prices you could purchase one or several for a child, or grandchild to get them started in model railroading.

Hoping punctuation holds listed as Unpainted, Painted,

 w/ Mfgrs, road name, model, wheel arrangement, loco number, price, and phase, other notes if so labeled.  All DC power

Unpainted

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1)   Atlas                    GP-38        B-B                    $25   

2)   Atlas                    GP-40        B-B                    $25

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6)   Fratesch               FA-1          B-B                    $30

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9)   Stewart Hobbies   F3A          B-B                    $70      Phase 1 double headlight

10) Stewart Hobbies   F3A          B-B                    $70      Phase 1 double headlight

11) Stewart Hobbies   F3A          B-B                    $70      Phase 2 double headlight

12) Stewart Hobbies   F7A          B-B                    $70      Phase 1 late

 

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Mfgrs, road name, model, wheel arrangement, loco number, phase, and lastly, price. Unless noted, all are powered.

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15) Athearn               GP-9           B-B      200        GN          $15      orange/green      dynamic brake                  some wear and tear

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21)  Intermountain     F-7A           B-B     4092A   C&NW    $75               Powered         classic green/yellow/black paint

22)  Intermountain     F-7B           B-B     4093B   C&NW    $30               Dummy   has weight and room for DCC/sound GYB paint

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Video Clip: Icing Reefers

Bob Chaparro
 

Video Clip: Icing Reefers

Video courtesy of Paul Wilfong:

https://tinyurl.com/vk9swvj9

Available until Apr 17, 2021.

Only fair quality. It’s from the DVD, “Railway Journeys, The Vanishing Age of Steam”, Disk Two.

Notice the dropping of whole ice blocks into the bunker. Maybe practical for moving the blocks over the series of bridges but very hard on the reefer bunker.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: SOUTH BUFFALO offset side twin hopper and a D&H twin hopper

Brian Carlson
 

And it’s much more clear than the slide.

Brian J. Carlson 

On Mar 18, 2021, at 5:17 PM, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:


Claus Schlund wrote:
"This undated image has a SOUTH BUFFALO offset side twin hopper and a D&H twin hopper in the background. We could wish for a bit more resolution tho!"

This photo is in Don Ball's The Pennsylvania Railroad 1940s-1950s.


Ben Hom


Re: SOUTH BUFFALO offset side twin hopper and a D&H twin hopper

Benjamin Hom
 

Claus Schlund wrote:
"This undated image has a SOUTH BUFFALO offset side twin hopper and a D&H twin hopper in the background. We could wish for a bit more resolution tho!"

This photo is in Don Ball's The Pennsylvania Railroad 1940s-1950s.


Ben Hom


SOUTH BUFFALO offset side twin hopper and a D&H twin hopper

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
This undated image has a SOUTH BUFFALO offset side twin hopper and a D&H twin hopper in the background. We could wish for a bit more resolution tho!
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: NJI&I to Wabash at Pine - Part 2

Tony Thompson
 

Dennis Storzek wrote:

A great example of how the car service rules were more honored in the breach. ACL to Chicago? P&LE to Minneapolis?? PRR to Montana??? Just goes to show, when the customer needs cars, any cars will do.

As I always chime in on this topic, the AAR found in surveys around 1950 that barely 2/3 of all loaded car movements were in accord with Car Service Rules. So there were plenty of exceptions -- but the majority of moves DID comply.

Tony Thompson




Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] NJI&I to Wabash at Pine - Part 2

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Gary;

 

PRR 475100 is a class F30A flat.  This was the largest class of PRR flats of interest in this timeframe.  They were the cast steel flats produced by GSI, during the depression.  They roamed EVERYWHERE. 

 

The easiest HO model is the one done by Bowser, but I think there is going to be an even better model coming😊

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Roe
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2021 3:44 PM
To: STMFC E-List <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] NJI&I to Wabash at Pine - Part 2

 

Here is another installment of "Daily Interchange Report of Cars" from the NJI&I to the Wabash at Pine in 1953.  The following list is dated 06May53.  It is cars which were left between 11P and midnight for pick up by Westbound Train 89, due at Pine around 9:30A on 07May.  All cars originated at South Bend.  I am showing Initials, Number, Destination, Contents.

 

gary roe

quincy, illinois

 

 

ATSF  141494  Chicago IL          Empty

PRR   475100  Great Falls MT      Tractors

UTLX  78182   Cushing OK          Empty

SP    192877  Armona Ca           *

PLE   22330   Minneapolis MN      Machinery

ACL   51711   Chicago IL          **

Wab   47836   St Louis MO         **

RI    1013    ***                 Autos

Wab   12539   ***                 Autos

Wab   12612   Port Hueneme CA     Autos

 

 

*   Looks like "Cabts" - Cabinets?

**  Looks like "House Merchandise"

*** Looks like "Eauon WN"

 

RI 1013, Wabash 12539, and Wabash 12612 are gondolas.  I am going to assume the loads of autos were in crates for export.


Re: NJI&I to Wabash at Pine - Part 2

Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 12:44 PM, Gary Roe wrote:
ATSF  141494  Chicago IL          Empty
PRR   475100  Great Falls MT      Tractors
UTLX  78182   Cushing OK          Empty
SP    192877  Armona Ca           *
PLE   22330   Minneapolis MN      Machinery
ACL   51711   Chicago IL          **
A great example of how the car service rules were more honored in the breach. ACL to Chicago? P&LE to Minneapolis?? PRR to Montana??? Just goes to show, when the customer needs cars, any cars will do.

 Dennis Storzek


NJI&I to Wabash at Pine - Part 2

Gary Roe
 

Here is another installment of "Daily Interchange Report of Cars" from the NJI&I to the Wabash at Pine in 1953.  The following list is dated 06May53.  It is cars which were left between 11P and midnight for pick up by Westbound Train 89, due at Pine around 9:30A on 07May.  All cars originated at South Bend.  I am showing Initials, Number, Destination, Contents.

gary roe
quincy, illinois


ATSF  141494  Chicago IL          Empty
PRR   475100  Great Falls MT      Tractors
UTLX  78182   Cushing OK          Empty
SP    192877  Armona Ca           *
PLE   22330   Minneapolis MN      Machinery
ACL   51711   Chicago IL          **
Wab   47836   St Louis MO         **
RI    1013    ***                 Autos
Wab   12539   ***                 Autos
Wab   12612   Port Hueneme CA     Autos


*   Looks like "Cabts" - Cabinets?
**  Looks like "House Merchandise"
*** Looks like "Eauon WN"

RI 1013, Wabash 12539, and Wabash 12612 are gondolas.  I am going to assume the loads of autos were in crates for export.


nice partial view of W&LE 25046, a 40ft steel boxcar (1950s)

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Some may enjoy this nice partial view of W&LE 25046, a 40ft steel boxcar.
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


Re: 2021 Red River Prototype Modelers Meet

Jacob Damron
 

Jeff:

Ryan, Kevin Leddy, and myself can all be 'blamed' for this. We were discussing RPM's back in 2019 and one of us said 'we wish some of these were closer' and then the next comment was 'why not here?' And, here we are! The response so far has been very good and supportive and we're really excited about the potential of this. Hopefully we'll see you in June. 

Jacob Damron
Ft Worth, TX


Re: 2021 Red River Prototype Modelers Meet

Jeff Ford
 

Jacob,

Good to see the web site up and glad to hear of a positive reception.  I can remember tossing around the idea with Ryan Harris on more than one occasion over the past several years. Glad others have the "bandwidth" to get this off the ground.  One tremendous benefit to tout is D/FW is readily accessible by plane from just about anywhere.

Hoping to attend,
-Jeff Ford
Sanger, Texas

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