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Re: Equipment Registers On Disk – Source?

Dave Parker
 

OK, a couple of things about the available ORERs:

No, none of the Taplines versions are ORC and thus searchable.  But most of them are indexed as seen here, so it's easy to find a road of interest and use the indexed page numbers to jump to a location close to your target.



There are dozens of ORERs from November 1917 and prior that are available as PDFs from Google Books and/or Hathi.  I have only checked ~10 in my collection at random, but all but one are OCR if that is a desired feature.  Personally, I don't generally take advantage, because if I search for "Central Vermont" I get ~12 ancillary hits before it takes me to the actual listing for the CV.  Instead, I tend to "bookmark" things using the Comment feature in Adobe Reader (I don't have or use Acrobat).  Sometimes I just flag the index of railroads near the beginning but, if it's an issue of particular interest, I'll place comments on the handful of northeastern roads that I research the most.  It doesn't take much time at all, and it makes the file much more useful.  YMMV of course.

Tim, Taplines has in the past offered a January, 1972, edition that I think is their closest match to your target dates.  You might want to message Don and inquire as to availability.

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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Equipment Registers On Disk – Source?

Tim O'Connor
 

Chris

Adding "bookmarks" and an "index" seems rather pointless if the entire document were searchable
for any text value. My guess is no, these are not OCR scans. And once the scan has been done and
the page images are formatted into PDF it is highly likely that OCR becomes much more difficult and
error prone. But if they had a 1970-1971 scan I would love to have that. :-)

Tim O'Connor


On 3/22/2021 7:52 AM, Chris Barkan wrote:
I have not purchased the Taplines digital ORERs but I noticed that they are offering at least three older ones right now on ebay:

1899 ORER
https://www.ebay.com/itm/March-of-1899-Official-Equipment-Register-OER-scanned-to-Adobe-Reader-on-CD/323617471920

1901 ORER
https://www.ebay.com/itm/February-of-1901-Official-Equipment-Register-scanned-to-Adobe-Reader-on-CD/323613389683

1905 ORER
https://www.ebay.com/itm/March-of-1905-Official-Equipment-Register-scanned-to-Adobe-Reader-PDF-file-on-CD/323613381327

They describe them as follows, "This is a complete scan of the March of 1905 Official Equipment Register. This has been converted into an Adobe Reader PDF file and has been bookmarked for easy searching. All the pages in each Register have been flat scanned and can be easily printed out. There are no missing pages and there is one index per file. The adobe files read just like the original OER and are in numerical page order."

Is is unclear if this means it is fully searchable.  Does anyone here have experience with the searchability of the Taplines ORERs?

Regarding converting these or other files to OCR, if one has Adobe Acrobat Pro, it is a simple enough matter to make them readable.  However, depending on the quality of the scan and the type of fonts etc, there may be some - or many - errors in interpretation, rendering the search feature less useful.

Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Equipment Registers On Disk – Source?

Chris Barkan
 

I have not purchased the Taplines digital ORERs but I noticed that they are offering at least three older ones right now on ebay:

1899 ORER
https://www.ebay.com/itm/March-of-1899-Official-Equipment-Register-OER-scanned-to-Adobe-Reader-on-CD/323617471920

1901 ORER
https://www.ebay.com/itm/February-of-1901-Official-Equipment-Register-scanned-to-Adobe-Reader-on-CD/323613389683

1905 ORER
https://www.ebay.com/itm/March-of-1905-Official-Equipment-Register-scanned-to-Adobe-Reader-PDF-file-on-CD/323613381327

They describe them as follows, "This is a complete scan of the March of 1905 Official Equipment Register. This has been converted into an Adobe Reader PDF file and has been bookmarked for easy searching. All the pages in each Register have been flat scanned and can be easily printed out. There are no missing pages and there is one index per file. The adobe files read just like the original OER and are in numerical page order."

Is is unclear if this means it is fully searchable.  Does anyone here have experience with the searchability of the Taplines ORERs?

Regarding converting these or other files to OCR, if one has Adobe Acrobat Pro, it is a simple enough matter to make them readable.  However, depending on the quality of the scan and the type of fonts etc, there may be some - or many - errors in interpretation, rendering the search feature less useful.

Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL


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Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL


Re: Fw: Milwaukee road flood photo

Mark Rossiter
 

Tim, yes – Alco Models imported NYC milk cars like the one you pictured, albeit with roof and floor level vents.  The NEB&W via F&C offered a cast resin version way back when that was extremely top heavy and required after-market details to make a nice model.  Railworks offered vastly improved models in brass including Rutland and NYC versions with and without roof and floor vents, and NJI international imported similar cars with hinged or sliding doors representing NYC cars converted to express service. 

 

Mark Rossiter

 

 


Re: Equipment Registers On Disk – Source?

Dave Nelson
 

This problem is not limited to the Westerfield scans.  Best to ask before buying if you want any private road data.

 

Dave Nelson

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In addition, the Westy versions generally do not include anything but the road-by-road listings. 


Re: Equipment Registers On Disk – Source?

Tim O'Connor
 

Dave

Talk is cheap... gimme a URL link so I can see for myself :-D

And scanning 1,000+ pages is TIME CONSUMING unless you pay someone
to do it for you; then it's EXPENSIVE. And then sharing things you may run into
copyright issues :-(

I think Simmons-Boardman doesn't take kindly to copyright infringement. I have
two "bootleg" scanned CBC's (1940 and 1957) that were sold at Naperville but
the person selling them had no rights to do it and I think he stopped selling them soon
afterwards. They were not OCR as they were scanned in the late 1990's before the
inexpensive home scanners had OCR software.

Tim O'Connor


On 3/21/2021 7:50 PM, Dave Parker via groups.io wrote:
On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 04:33 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
What we really need are PDF files that have been O.C.R. scanned ! :-P But such a project would
probably be prohibitively expensive or time consuming.
Tim, I think OCR scanning had become pretty routine.  A friend has scanned both ORERs and CBCs at home with one of those document camera scanners, and it is all OCR.  I have a 1930s CBC that I am going to have professionally scanned by BlueLeaf; OCR is standard, indexing is an upcharge.

More than a few of the university-done scans available at Hathi and/or Google books have OCR.  I think all of my pre-1920 CBCs do.
 
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Dave Parker

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Equipment Registers On Disk – Source?

Dave Parker
 

On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 04:33 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
What we really need are PDF files that have been O.C.R. scanned ! :-P But such a project would
probably be prohibitively expensive or time consuming.
Tim, I think OCR scanning had become pretty routine.  A friend has scanned both ORERs and CBCs at home with one of those document camera scanners, and it is all OCR.  I have a 1930s CBC that I am going to have professionally scanned by BlueLeaf; OCR is standard, indexing is an upcharge.

More than a few of the university-done scans available at Hathi and/or Google books have OCR.  I think all of my pre-1920 CBCs do.
 
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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Equipment Registers On Disk – Source?

Tim O'Connor
 


There is an NMRA reprint of the January 1953 Equipment Register. Every freight car modeler
should have at least one paper ORER :-) I also have Westerfield 1940 1950 1955 1959 1965
ORER's and over the years I've found them extremely handy to have. If there are even better scans
of them out there, awesome! The Westerfield editions have 1 page = 1 file -- which can be useful.
I also have a PDF of a 1975 ORER, and that format can be useful too. And it is complete.

What we really need are PDF files that have been O.C.R. scanned ! :-P But such a project would
probably be prohibitively expensive or time consuming.

Tim O'Connor



On 3/21/2021 7:16 PM, Dave Parker via groups.io wrote:
I have quite a few of the the Westerfield editions but, to be honest, the quality of the scans is -- um -- variable.  The 1935 edition is of very limited utility when it comes to actually reading the data.  In addition, the Westy versions generally do not include anything but the road-by-road listings.  But, back in the day, the registers contained a ton of useful MCB/ARA/AAR information.  A complete copy is, IMO, much, much more useful.

Take a careful look at Taplines (taplines.net).   Don's offerings are constantly evolving but, if you don't see exactly what you want, you can always ask.  Several years back, I bought a CD for about the same price as a Westerfield, and it has 11 (!) editions of the ORER from 1899 to 1975; the equability of the scans is excellent.  Don also has offered Official Guides in the past. 

Judging from his current ebay store, it seems the emphasis is now on road-specific disks where you can get a whole mess of ORER pages, Official Guide listings, equipment rosters and diagrams, ICC valuations, company magazines, and other goodies.  For $15 to $20?  You betcha!  I am going to order a couple as soon as I am done here.

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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Equipment Registers On Disk – Source?

Dave Parker
 

I have quite a few of the the Westerfield editions but, to be honest, the quality of the scans is -- um -- variable.  The 1935 edition is of very limited utility when it comes to actually reading the data.  In addition, the Westy versions generally do not include anything but the road-by-road listings.  But, back in the day, the registers contained a ton of useful MCB/ARA/AAR information.  A complete copy is, IMO, much, much more useful.

Take a careful look at Taplines (taplines.net).   Don's offerings are constantly evolving but, if you don't see exactly what you want, you can always ask.  Several years back, I bought a CD for about the same price as a Westerfield, and it has 11 (!) editions of the ORER from 1899 to 1975; the equability of the scans is excellent.  Don also has offered Official Guides in the past. 

Judging from his current ebay store, it seems the emphasis is now on road-specific disks where you can get a whole mess of ORER pages, Official Guide listings, equipment rosters and diagrams, ICC valuations, company magazines, and other goodies.  For $15 to $20?  You betcha!  I am going to order a couple as soon as I am done here.

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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Equipment Registers On Disk – Source?

O Fenton Wells
 

Westerfield 


On Mar 21, 2021, at 3:12 PM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

Westerfield Models has several.



Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Mar 21, 2021, at 2:07 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Equipment Registers On Disk – Source?

I’m looking for a source for 1930s and 1940 equipment registers on CDs.

Any suggestions?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: D & h single sheathed boxcar cement service question

Rich C
 

Brad, The gray/black scheme started in 1944, freight car red before.

Rich Christie. 

On Sunday, March 21, 2021, 09:25:27 AM CDT, Brad Andonian <brad@...> wrote:


Tichy has decals in gray and red car versions.   Which color was for what time frame please?

thanks,
brad andonian 


Re: Equipment Registers On Disk – Source?

Eric Hansmann
 

Westerfield Models has several.



Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Mar 21, 2021, at 2:07 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Equipment Registers On Disk – Source?

I’m looking for a source for 1930s and 1940 equipment registers on CDs.

Any suggestions?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Equipment Registers On Disk – Source?

Bob Chaparro
 

Equipment Registers On Disk – Source?

I’m looking for a source for 1930s and 1940 equipment registers on CDs.

Any suggestions?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


D & h single sheathed boxcar cement service question

Brad Andonian
 

Tichy has decals in gray and red car versions.   Which color was for what time frame please?

thanks,
brad andonian 


Re: Zooming across the conutry

Chris Barkan
 

On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 06:08 AM, Chris Barkan wrote:

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Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL
My apologies, this was an inadvertent "double click" by my finger that resulted in a blank message being sent.  Is there a way one can delete a message in Groups I/O?
 
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Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL


Re: Zooming across the conutry

Chris Barkan
 


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Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL


Re: SOUTH BUFFALO offset side twin hopper and a D&H twin hopper

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Thanks Brian Carlson!


Re: Zooming across the country

Chuck Soule
 

I've been doing fiddle concerts and fiddle lessons on zoom for over a year now, and the latency issue is problematic from the point of view of such things and matching bow strokes to notes - they get out of sync.  We joke that it is the sound waves traveling at different speeds than the visual waves, but know that's not true and the issue is frustrating.  However, from the point of view of a train clinic, it's a lesser issue of the the speaker's lips being slightly out of sync with the sounds. 

One thing you can do to help your own sound to others is open Zoom.  On the first page you see, with the four choices of "New Meeting", "Join", "Schedule" and "Share Screen", go to the upper right corner and click on the small asterisk that opens settings.  Click on "Audio",  then click on "Advanced".  Then check the box that says "show in-meeting option to Enable Original Sound from the microphone".  Now, when you get into a meeting, enable original sound in the upper left of your screen.  This will make you sound better to others, although it won't help other people sound better to you unless they have also done this. 

It sure is a learning experience for all of us!

Chuck Soule


Re: Zooming across the country

Chuck Soule
 

I've been doing fiddle concerts and fiddle lessons on zoom for over a year now, and the latency issue is problematic from the point of view of such things and matching bow strokes to notes - they get out of sync.  We joke that it is the sound waves traveling at different speeds than the visual waves, but know that's not true and the issue is frustrating.  However, from the point of view of a train clinic, it's a lesser issue of the the speaker's lips being slightly out of sync with the sounds. 

One thing you can do to help your own sound to others is open Zoom.  On the first page you see, with the four choices of "New Meeting", "Join", "Schedule" and "Share Screen, go to the upper right corner and click on the small asterisk that opens settings.  Click on "Audio",  then click on "Advanced".  Then check the box that says "show in-meeting option to Enable Original Sound from the microphone".  Now, when you get into a meeting, enable original sound in the upper left of your screen.  This will make you sound better to others, although it won't help other people sound better to you unless they have also done this. 

It sure is a learning experience for all of us!

Chuck Soule


Re: SOUTH BUFFALO offset side twin hopper and a D&H twin hopper

Ed Hawkins
 



On Mar 19, 2021, at 11:26 PM, Hugh Guillaume via groups.io <mguill1224@...> wrote:

When I worked at K-Val Hobbies in Buffalo NY(now defunct) we did three runs of custom decorated SB hoppers.  They were done by Third Rail Graphics.  We had obtained the prototype lettering diagrams directly from Bethlehem Steel Company so the cars were perfectly reproduced in HO scale.  We also did one run of gondolas using the P2K model, again, correctly done because we had the drawings from BSCO.  Kadee issued SB hoppers but the lettering was the wrong color.  

Hugh,
You’re correct that Kadee’s initial release of SB 116 (Kadee catalogue no. 7024) had incorrect white stencils. Approximately two years later and having realized the error, Kadee released their second SB model no. 7018 representing SB 7028 with the correct yellow stencils.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

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