Date   

REDEMPTION

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

 Yeah!  Now I can justify my NKP hopper on the SP.  If only I could do that for the Pennsy gondola.

Bill Pardie

BillNow if I could just do that for the ._,_WHIL


Re: Vallejo paint

Dave Parker
 

In my experience, the Model Color works just fine when appropriately thinned (and mixed).  I do use the Flow Improver, but I can't swear that it makes a big difference.  As per the late Bill Welch, you want a big needle for acrylics (0.5 mm or larger), and a modest air pressure of 20 psi or less.

The Model Air paints are ready to spray out of the bottle, but I still add a few drops of the Improver.

I like and use the Vallejo paints quite a bit, but feel that they are a tad short of the mark when it comes to replicating Pollyscale.  YMMV of course.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Vallejo paint

Douglas Harding
 

Clark, Vallejo makes two versions of their acrylic paint. One called Model Color is for brush-on application. The other is called Model Air and is thinned for airbrushing. According to their website they are formulated differently.

 

I have only found Model Color in individual bottles at Hobby Lobby. I really liked how it flowed and covered using a brush, but it is way too thick for airbrushing. The last time I checked Hobby Lobby did have Model Air, but only in a package of 8 colors for airplanes, which I did not want. I believe the thinner is design for use with Model Air.

 

I suspect you got a bottle of Model Color for brush-on application.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clark Propst
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 10:07 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Vallejo paint

 

I know a lot of guys like the Vallejo brand paint. I bought my first vial, tube, whatever they’re called of Vallejo paint at Hobby Lobby alone with a thingy of thinner. I attached the cup to my trusty old Paasche H and dribbled in some paint, then dribbled in some thinner and stirred, not shaken. The stuff came out onto my test piece is blobs, not well mixed. It did dry fairly smooth.

Questions: How should I’ve mixed the stuff? What do you do with the leftovers?

Luckily I didn't like the color for my project, so I don't have to mess with the stuff...till next time....

 Clark Propst


Re: Vallejo paint

Dennis Korn
 

Clark,

If you are using Vallejo Air (designed for airbrushing) then I would recommend the following:

1. Put a stainless steel nut (make sure of quality because some stainless with rust) into the bottle to help shake up the contents.
2. Put some paint into your color cup (you should really mix it in a separate shot glass, but most of us don't bother) and add some Vallejo Airbrush Flow Improver (this is a type of retarder specifically for Vallejo).
3. Then play around on a plastic sheet with air pressure until you get the right pattern.

Note: I have a separate airbrush for Acrylics and Lacquers. If you get any lacquer thinner mixed into the Vallejo (even left over around the needle) it will turn to a gel and screw up paint flow with bad results.

Take care,

Dennis Korn

On Thursday, March 25, 2021, 11:07:00 AM EDT, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:


I know a lot of guys like the Vallejo brand paint. I bought my first vial, tube, whatever they’re called of Vallejo paint at Hobby Lobby alone with a thingy of thinner. I attached the cup to my trusty old Paasche H and dribbled in some paint, then dribbled in some thinner and stirred, not shaken. The stuff came out onto my test piece is blobs, not well mixed. It did dry fairly smooth.
Questions: How should I’ve mixed the stuff? What do you do with the leftovers?

Luckily I didn't like the color for my project, so I don't have to mess with the stuff...till next time....
 Clark Propst


Vallejo paint

Clark Propst
 

I know a lot of guys like the Vallejo brand paint. I bought my first vial, tube, whatever they’re called of Vallejo paint at Hobby Lobby alone with a thingy of thinner. I attached the cup to my trusty old Paasche H and dribbled in some paint, then dribbled in some thinner and stirred, not shaken. The stuff came out onto my test piece is blobs, not well mixed. It did dry fairly smooth.
Questions: How should I’ve mixed the stuff? What do you do with the leftovers?

Luckily I didn't like the color for my project, so I don't have to mess with the stuff...till next time....
 Clark Propst


Re: ICC valuation

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thinking about the issue of recapitulation of the rolling stock and locomotive fleets of larger railroads . . .

 

I think it safe to say that (1) virtually all the major railroads had diagram books of both freight and passenger equipment and (2) all of the rolling stock was carefully accounted for, as to numbers of cars in a particular class and so on, and that (3) a reasonably close approximation of the total value for accounting purposes could be established by using the descriptions in the diagram books and the quantity of cars in each class.

 

This does rather fly in the face of the extraordinary detail discussed by me and others WRT fixed structures and rights of way, but OTOH, given that rolling stock doesn’t stand still to be evaluated and inventoried, it seems (to me) likely that this mathematical approach to establishing the total value of a road’s rolling stock may have been acceptable to the Federal Government.

 

The same approach could be used to establish the value of a fleet of locomotives.

 

I’m thinking that this approach would apply to many Class 1 railroads.  Small lines may well have been able to actually inventory their fleets of cars and engines.

 

Schuyler


Re: Door opening size on an LV 8500 series Autombile box

Steve and Barb Hile
 

The LV diagram sheet shows the opening to be 15’0” and the doors needed to be a bit wider to cover the opening.  I get the impression from the photos Tim attached that the left hand door is slightly wider than the right hand door.  A general arrangement drawing should be available from the MOT library in St. Louis, which might dimension the doors.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2021 2:58 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Door opening size on an LV 8500 series Autombile box

 


The Proto model are "generically" correct for the paint schemes they offered but I don't
think they are 100% correct right out of the box for any prototype.

Tim O'Connor


On 3/24/2021 2:31 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:

Bud,

 

My October 1958 ORER says a 15' opening. It is a little bit hard to be sure if both doors are the same width in your photo due to perspective, but it looks to me like they are the same. I have the Proto 2000 model of car 8516 (stock # 21025 from the first run) with equal doors which in combined width seem to be about 15' 6". This suggests the actual width of each door was about 7' 9".  Usually the original Proto 2000 cars got most things right (I said "Most"; the LV car's sills aren't quite the same as your photo.)

 

Yours Aye

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆

 

On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 1:37 PM Bud Rindfleisch <BlackDiamondRR@...> wrote:

Gents,
    I don't have access to an ORER that would give me the door opening size to an LV 50' autobox in the 8500-8599 series. It looks like two evenly sized doors but they don't look to be 8 footers, so 7 foot maybe? Any help?
    Bud Rindfleisch -  attachment scanned from Morning Sun CNJ/LV freight and PassengerEquipment in Color

Attachments:

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


WTB DTA Steel side GS gondola Kits

Bryian Sones
 

Please PM me if you would like to sell.

Thank You,

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA


Re: Door opening size on an LV 8500 series Autombile box

Tim O'Connor
 


except for the "box girder" underframe :-)


On 3/24/2021 5:54 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Awfully close for SP Class A-50-14.
Tony Thompson 


On Mar 24, 2021, at 12:58 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



The Proto model are "generically" correct for the paint schemes they offered but I don't
think they are 100% correct right out of the box for any prototype.

Tim O'Connor



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Door opening size on an LV 8500 series Autombile box

Tony Thompson
 

Awfully close for SP Class A-50-14.
Tony Thompson 


On Mar 24, 2021, at 12:58 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



The Proto model are "generically" correct for the paint schemes they offered but I don't
think they are 100% correct right out of the box for any prototype.

Tim O'Connor


On 3/24/2021 2:31 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Bud,

My October 1958 ORER says a 15' opening. It is a little bit hard to be sure if both doors are the same width in your photo due to perspective, but it looks to me like they are the same. I have the Proto 2000 model of car 8516 (stock # 21025 from the first run) with equal doors which in combined width seem to be about 15' 6". This suggests the actual width of each door was about 7' 9".  Usually the original Proto 2000 cars got most things right (I said "Most"; the LV car's sills aren't quite the same as your photo.)

Yours Aye


Garth Groff  🦆

On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 1:37 PM Bud Rindfleisch <BlackDiamondRR@...> wrote:
Gents,
    I don't have access to an ORER that would give me the door opening size to an LV 50' autobox in the 8500-8599 series. It looks like two evenly sized doors but they don't look to be 8 footers, so 7 foot maybe? Any help?
    Bud Rindfleisch -  attachment scanned from Morning Sun CNJ/LV freight and PassengerEquipment in Color

Attachments:



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
<lv 8516 Proto2000.JPG>
<lv_8505 50ft_DD_box AAR end-door builder.jpg>


Re: Door opening size on an LV 8500 series Autombile box

Tim O'Connor
 


I forgot the ORER data - from 1950


On 3/24/2021 3:57 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

The Proto model are "generically" correct for the paint schemes they offered but I don't
think they are 100% correct right out of the box for any prototype.

Tim O'Connor



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Door opening size on an LV 8500 series Autombile box

Tim O'Connor
 


The Proto model are "generically" correct for the paint schemes they offered but I don't
think they are 100% correct right out of the box for any prototype.

Tim O'Connor


On 3/24/2021 2:31 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Bud,

My October 1958 ORER says a 15' opening. It is a little bit hard to be sure if both doors are the same width in your photo due to perspective, but it looks to me like they are the same. I have the Proto 2000 model of car 8516 (stock # 21025 from the first run) with equal doors which in combined width seem to be about 15' 6". This suggests the actual width of each door was about 7' 9".  Usually the original Proto 2000 cars got most things right (I said "Most"; the LV car's sills aren't quite the same as your photo.)

Yours Aye


Garth Groff  🦆

On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 1:37 PM Bud Rindfleisch <BlackDiamondRR@...> wrote:
Gents,
    I don't have access to an ORER that would give me the door opening size to an LV 50' autobox in the 8500-8599 series. It looks like two evenly sized doors but they don't look to be 8 footers, so 7 foot maybe? Any help?
    Bud Rindfleisch -  attachment scanned from Morning Sun CNJ/LV freight and PassengerEquipment in Color

Attachments:



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Door opening size on an LV 8500 series Autombile box

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Bud,

My October 1958 ORER says a 15' opening. It is a little bit hard to be sure if both doors are the same width in your photo due to perspective, but it looks to me like they are the same. I have the Proto 2000 model of car 8516 (stock # 21025 from the first run) with equal doors which in combined width seem to be about 15' 6". This suggests the actual width of each door was about 7' 9".  Usually the original Proto 2000 cars got most things right (I said "Most"; the LV car's sills aren't quite the same as your photo.)

Yours Aye


Garth Groff  🦆

On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 1:37 PM Bud Rindfleisch <BlackDiamondRR@...> wrote:
Gents,
    I don't have access to an ORER that would give me the door opening size to an LV 50' autobox in the 8500-8599 series. It looks like two evenly sized doors but they don't look to be 8 footers, so 7 foot maybe? Any help?
    Bud Rindfleisch -  attachment scanned from Morning Sun CNJ/LV freight and PassengerEquipment in Color

Attachments:


Re: Door opening size on an LV 8500 series Autombile box

Dave Parker
 

Bud:

My 1945 ORER gives the total width as 15-0.  They also had end doors 9-2 W by 10-2 H.  Hope this helps.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Door opening size on an LV 8500 series Autombile box

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Gents,
    I don't have access to an ORER that would give me the door opening size to an LV 50' autobox in the 8500-8599 series. It looks like two evenly sized doors but they don't look to be 8 footers, so 7 foot maybe? Any help?
    Bud Rindfleisch -  attachment scanned from Morning Sun CNJ/LV freight and PassengerEquipment in Color


Re: ICC valuation

A&Y Dave in MD
 

Tony,

The original question for this thread was whether photographs of rolling stock and details by class were included in the ICC valuation.   I agree that values for freight cars (by enumeration and replacement costs) were included.  I have not seen the ORER level of detail in the ICC valuation files, much less photographs.  I did clearly state that I was focused on a railroad that did not have revenue rolling stock and my less in-depth experience with railroads that did.  Do you have an example of the details provided in Account 53?

Dave
--
____________________________
David Bott, modeling the A&Y in '34


KD brake installation

Eric Hansmann
 

I've been upgrading a few HO scale Bowser GLa hoppers and installing the earlier KD brake system components. A few installation ideas are outlined in my latest DesignBuildOp blog post.
http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2021/03/24/installing-kd-brake-hardware-on-hoppers/


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


Re: Wedge Snowplow UP 900021

O Fenton Wells
 

Way cool


On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 5:10 PM Bob Chapman <chapbob4014@...> wrote:
I thought the group would be interested in this neat kitbash opportunity, photographed by friend Chip Sherman after clearing snow last week on UP's Yoder Subdivision in Nebraska. According to Chip, the plow was built in 1949 -- a definite antique. 
 
Bob Chapman 



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: Valuation Reports...

Douglas Harding
 

Attached is a digital copy of Records Relating to North American Railroads, Compiled by David Pfeiffer, Reference Information Paper 91
National Archives and Records Administration, Washington, DC 2001
, which tells you about the railroad related holdings of the National Archives.

And this link guides you through the attached document. https://www.rlhs.org/Services/Guides/

 

The first time I met David he told me what the Archives has was what the ICC gave them. He explained that there were records missing, because the ICC did not have them. It could have been a file left on someone’s desk, or a box that had been “borrowed”. The ICC records were often what they received from the railroads themselves. So in short the records were not complete, and that I may or may not find what I was looking for.

 

In addition many railroad prepared work in advance of the valuation. The M&StL, for example, had sketches of certain depots prepared and submitted to the ICC, because the original drawings disappeared. The CNW Historical Society has reproduced these depot sketches in a spiral bound book https://cnwhs.org/wp1/product/mstl-depot-sketches/  So be sure to check with the railroad Historical Society to see what they have published.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: Valuation Reports...

Jack Burgess
 

I have an extensive 1914 California Railroad Commission Physical Evaluation of the Yosemite Valley Railroad. I’m assuming that the State did it since the YVRR was not an interstate railroad. But it was for the same purpose…to set rates for shipping. It includes everything from locomotives and freight and passenger cars to grade crossings. No photos but enough information for a civil engineer and others to determine a replacement value for everything. Since a higher replacement value would mean higher shipping rates, the YVRR President continued to battle with the Commission for the next 10 years or so. (Maybe the railroad knew that the valuation was correct but could continue to charge the same rates until the valuation was finally approved?)

 

Jack Burgess

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2021 4:14 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Equipment Registers On Disk – Source?

 

Tony,

 

Thanks for the clarification. So this could mean that other railroads outside California that took photos did so on their own initiative, or at the direction of their own state governments. This could explain why some railroads are not represented by valuation photos, unless perhaps they did take photos that later went into the trash.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆

 

On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 6:05 PM Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

Here's a question particularly for you, but of possible use in the valuation thread we've been following. Somewhere I had the idea that the Southern Pacific's extensive collection of valuation photos were paid for by the railroad. If so, was this a government requirement, or just the way the SP chose to document its physical plant at that time? 

 

Most if not all of the SP valuation photos, taken by the railroad for both rolling stock and structures, were taken in 1912 and 1913 in response to a mandate from the California Railroad Commission (predecessor of today's PUC) to conduct valuation, well in advance of the federal mandate.

       I have located a lot of the freight car photos from this program and used them extensively in my freight car books. See for example in my Volume 5, page 365 ff.

 

Tony Thompson

 

 

 

9881 - 9900 of 192688