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Re: Sep 1979 view of SP 460473 side dump hopper

Ray Hutchison
 

The various repairs to the side panels are also of interest for modeling...


Re: Home Road Refrigerator Car M&N 9299

Paul Doggett
 

Lester 

Unfortunately I can open your blog 

Paul Doggett. England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 27 Mar 2021, at 05:10, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

Nice project and a nice result. The paint scheme looks quite realistic and the detailing is well done. Good one, Lester!

Tony Thompson




Re: Vallejo paint

Bruce Griffin
 

Dennis,

As an alternative to a stainless steel nut as an agitator I am using this product available on Amazon (below). Another idea from military molders. I also bought some small 20 mL dropper bottles from Amazon to pre-thin Vallejo Model Color paints and have them ready for airbrushing. I am working on several SP cars and using thinned 70.814 burnt red for paint 

 

The Army Painter Paint Mixing Balls - Rust-proof Stainless Steel Balls for Mixing Model Paints - Stainless Steel Mixing Agitator Balls, 5.5mm/apr. 0.22”, 100 Pcs

 

Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD
https://bomodeling.com/blog/

 


Re: Home Road Refrigerator Car M&N 9299

Tony Thompson
 

Nice project and a nice result. The paint scheme looks quite realistic and the detailing is well done. Good one, Lester!

Tony Thompson




Re: Pinned together

Tony Thompson
 

Dave Nelson wrote:

Yes… I was referring to those bolts.  I’ve never seen anything like that before.  

In later years, those bolts were just shorter, and pulled the two halves of the jacket together.

Tony Thompson




Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] REDEMPTION

Steve SANDIFER
 

Going through 2 Conductor’s Records books (1300 cars each) from the ATSF, Mid Kansas

 

1923: 5 PRR Box cars

                11 PRR gondolas

 

1930: 9 PRR Box cars

                1 PRR Autobox

                2 PRR 65’ steel drop end gondolas.

 

So that is about 1 PRR in 100 cars in those locations.

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 2:28 PM
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Subject: Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] REDEMPTION

 

George, any chance of sharing this as a true “attachment” so it could be opened at a size where it’s legible?

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 9:51 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] REDEMPTION

 

Bruce is certainly correct! The PRR had 227,881 freight cars service in 1942 (see attached for all railroads from the SRHA archives), no other road comes close. PRR cars would have been everywhere.

 

Ike

 

 


Re: Photo: Flatcar With Rope Load

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi John,
 
Let me start be saying that I started sailing and operating power boats in high school, and subsequently spent sixteen years in the Navy and then the Coast Guard.  I was quite proficient in marlinspike seamanship, and still find uses for it.  I was also one of a small crew that rigged the USCGC Eagle in the Spring of ‘65 and again in ‘66. 
 
What we are seeing in this photo is a carload of “line,” probably 8” manila.  “Line” in common maritime parlance has multiple meanings.  “Lines” can refer to running rigging (sheets, clewlines, etc.), heaving lines, leadlines, lifelines, mooring lines, and others.  “Single up all lines” specifically refers to mooring lines, as you’ve noted.  Line, however, is also used collectively to refer to so many feet, yards, lengths, or coils of line, typically of a particular size.  “Rope,” in maritime parlance, generally refers to steel wire cable, and not to manila or other fiber line. 
 
Perhaps the nomenclature has become less strict in recent years, but it certainly wasn’t in my experience and it’s difficult for me to believe it was any less strict at the time that photo was taken.  We may just to agree to disagree on this.
 
Pax,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: John Mateyko
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 5:29 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Flatcar With Rope Load
 

[Edited Message Follows]

Ralph,  With all due respect I am pretty sure when the item in questioned is ordered, it is referred to as rope.  Once on board, spliced per custom of the vessel and put to use it is then referred to as a specific line.  The same piece of 8" rope could be used once as a bow line, the next time as a spring line, another time as a breast line and another as a stern line.  When the captain orders. "Single up all lines" all lines which have been doubled up have one of those lines brought aboard.  When the captain orders, "Take in the stern breast line" every crew member in the docking/undocking party knows which specific line that is.  After leaving the dock/pier/wharf the chief mate will pass the order to stow all lines(they are still on deck in their most recently used area) into the Rope Locker, the lines are put into the rope locker.  The last one in may have been used as the stern line.  The next time, it would be the first piece out and more than likely will become either the forward line or the forward breast line.
By the way sir, how many years did you serve aboard a big ship's deck department?
Respectfully,
John Mateyko


Re: Photo: Flatcar With Rope Load

Douglas Harding
 

Note the car is linked to a neighboring car with a drawbar, held in place with a pin in the coupler missing the knuckle.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org


PFE reefer (no road number visible) possible builders photo

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
PFE reefer (no road number visible) possible builders photo
 
 
More info at the link below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
 


Re: Pinned together

Dave Nelson
 

Yes… I was referring to those bolts.  I’ve never seen anything like that before.  Made me think of belaying pins.

 

Dave Nelson

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of akerboomk
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 1:39 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Pinned together

 

Are you talking about the horizontal "lines" just be low the car numbers, extending the length of the car?
Looks to me like an insulated tank, and the 2 pieces of jacket have angle irons attached, with bolts between them to draw the jacket tight?
--
Ken Akerboom


Sep 1979 view of SP 460473 side dump hopper

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Sep 1979 view of SP 460473 side dump hopper. Altho the image post-dats this list, the car is probably in scope.
 
 
More info at the link below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
 


REDEMPTION?

WILLIAM PARDIE
 


Oops!  The PRR cars are in the cases on the opposite side of the room.  But they are there.

Bill Patdie


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


Undated view of LV 33475 gondola

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Undated view of LV 33475 gondola
 
 
More info at the link below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
 


Re: Pinned together

Chris Barkan
 

Note that this car, as well as the next in the series shown at the Barriger site, COSX 3000, were ICC Type IV cars (one can see this in the stenciling on the tank head).
--
Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL


Re: Pinned together

Dave Parker
 

I think what is "unusual" about this car is that it is about the earliest example of an AC&F insulated car that I have seen.  In my collection, most/all of the TMI cars from AC&F start appearing in the mid-1920s and, by then, they had rather "smooth" jackets covering the insulating layer.  This car just reflects early days in their construction of TMI cars.  Otherwise it is -- I'm never quite sure what to call it -- just an ACF Type 17 or maybe 19, i.e., the old Type 11 frame with an MCB class III tank on top.

BTW, the KD brakes were standard on AC&F cars built from ca. 1919 to 1921.  And, no, this was not a buyer's specification, this is how AC&F built all of their tank cars during this period.

--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Pinned together

Tony Thompson
 

Ken Akerboom wrote:

Are you talking about the horizontal "lines" just be low the car numbers, extending the length of the car?
Looks to me like an insulated tank, and the 2 pieces of jacket have angle irons attached, with bolts between them to draw the jacket tight?

Ken is exactly right. And these details are almost certainly a buyer specification, not a builder standard.

Tony Thompson




Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] PRR class H21 hopper and a UNION RAILROAD H21 style hopper with coke rack extensions

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Guys;

 

That is NOT a Pgh-area steel mill.  They had no blast furnace complexes that looked like that.

 

Jack Consoli made a compelling argument for Steelton-Highspire near Harrisburg, and I have to agree.

 

The give-aways are the layout of the furnaces, the stoves, and the big stacks.  The canal is the icing on the cake.

 

He also doesn’t think the coke car is URR, but my eyes are too poor to see the lettering.

 

Can anyone ID the other cars?

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 3:07 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] PRR class H21 hopper and a UNION RAILROAD H21 style hopper with coke rack extensions

 

Hi List Members,

 

View of a Pittsburgh PA steel mill.

 

Identifiable cars are a PRR class H21 hopper in circle-Keystone paint and lettering, and a UNION RAILROAD H21 style hopper with coke rack extensions.

 

 

More info at the link below...

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 

 

 

 


Re: Photo: Flatcar With Rope Load

John Mateyko
 
Edited

Ralph,  With all due respect I am pretty sure when the item in questioned is ordered, it is referred to as rope.  Once on board, spliced per custom of the vessel and put to use it is then referred to as a specific line.  The same piece of 8" rope could be used once as a bow line, the next time as a spring line, another time as a breast line and another as a stern line.  When the captain orders. "Single up all lines" all lines which have been doubled up have one of those lines brought aboard.  When the captain orders, "Take in the stern breast line" every crew member in the docking/undocking party knows which specific line that is.  After leaving the dock/pier/wharf the chief mate will pass the order to stow all lines(they are still on deck in their most recently used area) into the Rope Locker, the lines are put into the rope locker.  The last one in may have been used as the stern line.  The next time, it would be the first piece out and more than likely will become either the forward line or the forward breast line.
By the way sir, how many years did you serve aboard a big ship's deck department?
Respectfully,
John Mateyko


Re: Pinned together

akerboomk
 

Are you talking about the horizontal "lines" just be low the car numbers, extending the length of the car?
Looks to me like an insulated tank, and the 2 pieces of jacket have angle irons attached, with bolts between them to draw the jacket tight?
--
Ken Akerboom


Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] REDEMPTION

gtws00
 

Schuler,
I grabbed this copy of the Ultimate thinning guide from their website. The attached one is a bit larger in size and a bit easier to read.
Also here is there website if you care to see it online. They have many nice products, but hard to get with Covid around as shipping is very costly direct from them

Tutorials | Ultimate Modelling Products (umpretail.com)

Ultimate_Thinner_Chart_V1.2_19c16a42-89ef-4218-b13c-e520698b1e02.webp (724×1024)

I use mostly Acrylics now and avoid lacquerer paints not because I don't like them but because I cannot tolerate them even with the use of a vented spray booth. 

Hope this helps
George Toman
Willow Springs, IL

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