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Photo: Barrett Tank Car BMX 5281 (Tarvia)

Bob Chaparro
 
Edited

Photo: Barrett Tank Car BMX 5281 (Tarvia)

A photo from the Barriger Library:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/32067232467/

AC&F builder’s photo from 1928. ICC-103.

Heater pipes.

Part of series 5001-5366. 338 cars in this series listed in 1955 Equipment Register.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Vallejo paint

Ken Adams
 

Aha...someone else has discovered the Vallejo 70.814 as an excellent SP Freight car red. I don't airbrush (I used to, but for many reasons gave up the habit) but have found that using the Tamiya Oxide primer and then a wash of the burnt red is an excellent substitute for PBL Star Brand  SP-UP FCR.  
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Photo: Aqua Ammonia Tank Car

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Aqua Ammonia Tank Car

A photo from the Barriger Library:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/49619144341/

Note stenciling.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Sulphuric Acid Tank Car – Reservation Required

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Sulphuric Acid Tank Car – Reservation Required

A photo from the Barriger Library:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/49619405502/

Note stenciling.

Information on the ordinance plant:

https://encyclopediaofarkansas.net/entries/world-war-ii-ordnance-plants-373/

Scroll down.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Trio of UP tank cars...

Tim O'Connor
 


Garth the UP O-50-6 was a later car, and really didn't look much like these cars although they
were about the same gallonage.

Tim O'Connor


On 3/28/2021 12:04 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Tim,

The lead car appears to be UP 69247, which was part of series 69200-69295. My ORER doesn't give the gallonage, but the tank was 35' X 7' 11". I will come back to this in a moment.

The middle car is UP 69701, which came from series 69500-67740. It had the same size tank, and is clearly marked for 12,642 gallons, so we may assume that 69247 has a similar volume. UP 69247 has a taller expansion dome, and probably is a bit older than the middle car, or the car on the left. 

All three tanks are similar to the old Athearn single-dome tank car. Kit bashing similar SP cars from the Athearn model was covered by the late Richard Hendrickson in the August 1996 RMJ. The SP cars were class O-50-12 of 1928 at 12,526 gallons, and O-50-13 of 1942 at 12,515 gallons.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sun, Mar 28, 2021 at 9:34 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

I don't know much about UP tank cars but these appear to be rebuilds (old tank
on a new underframe?). It's just a guess, but they are 4-course tanks and have the
open-grid walkways that became mandated for new tank cars in the 1940's.

Tim O'Connor


On 3/27/2021 3:16 PM, Claus Schlund wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
Trio of UP tank cars...
 
 
More info at the link below...
 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Trio of UP tank cars...

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Tim,

The lead car appears to be UP 69247, which was part of series 69200-69295. My ORER doesn't give the gallonage, but the tank was 35' X 7' 11". I will come back to this in a moment.

The middle car is UP 69701, which came from series 69500-67740. It had the same size tank, and is clearly marked for 12,642 gallons, so we may assume that 69247 has a similar volume. UP 69247 has a taller expansion dome, and probably is a bit older than the middle car, or the car on the left. 

All three tanks are similar to the old Athearn single-dome tank car. Kit bashing similar SP cars from the Athearn model was covered by the late Richard Hendrickson in the August 1996 RMJ. The SP cars were class O-50-12 of 1928 at 12,526 gallons, and O-50-13 of 1942 at 12,515 gallons.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sun, Mar 28, 2021 at 9:34 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

I don't know much about UP tank cars but these appear to be rebuilds (old tank
on a new underframe?). It's just a guess, but they are 4-course tanks and have the
open-grid walkways that became mandated for new tank cars in the 1940's.

Tim O'Connor


On 3/27/2021 3:16 PM, Claus Schlund wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
Trio of UP tank cars...
 
 
More info at the link below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Louisiana Western

Tim O'Connor
 


This advertisement showing an "LW" gondola - clearly an SP subsidiary - led me to find
this information online. It appears to be a standing project of the "Wiki Project" (disclaimer
I make monthly small $ contributions to Wikimedia). There were thousands of small railroad
companies way back when. :-)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Trains/ICC_valuations/Louisiana_Western_Railroad

Tim O'Connor


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Help dating this photo

Clark Propst
 

I figure the best way to date this photo is to asked when the NYC did away with their S prefix? Sure appears the closest hopper's number starts with an S? The hopper in front of it is a panel side. A 1930s aerial photos shows the stock pens, they are gone in a 1950s aerial.

Any help would be greatly appreciated,
Clark Propst 


Re: Photo: SP Hi-Cube Boxcar (1955)

Tim O'Connor
 


The car definitely received a running board. (I have another photo.) The car is especially
interesting because it is a superstructure built on a FLAT CAR underframe. Whitehead &
Kales is mostly known for building autoracks on flat cars.

Tim O'Connor


On 3/27/2021 5:24 PM, Marc Truitt via groups.io wrote:
If I'm correctly reading the road number on the car end, it appears to be SP 615200, built by Whitehead & Kales in early 1963.  These cars are treated at length in Anthony Thompson's SP Freight Cars, vol. 4.

One thing that leaves me a bit confused is that the pictures of this car in Thompson's book appear to show it lacking a roof walk, both at the builder (pg. 446) and early in its service life in 1965 (pg. 444).  But in the link posted to the list, it has a roof walk.  Perhaps I'm missing something... or misreading the car number?

Anyway, to answer the question, 1955 is too early for this car.

Marc Truitt
Sackville, NB (Canada)
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--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Trio of UP tank cars...

Tim O'Connor
 


I don't know much about UP tank cars but these appear to be rebuilds (old tank
on a new underframe?). It's just a guess, but they are 4-course tanks and have the
open-grid walkways that became mandated for new tank cars in the 1940's.

Tim O'Connor


On 3/27/2021 3:16 PM, Claus Schlund wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
Trio of UP tank cars...
 
 
More info at the link below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: SP 30251 gon in 1979

Tim O'Connor
 


G-50-21A built by ACF in 1949 (the "A" indicating a rebuilt car that received steel sides)

These were "War Emergency" design gondolas bought by the THOUSANDS by the T&NO
and they lasted a long time. Funaro & Camerlengo makes this kit, but they only market the
rebuilt cars as ACL. Go figure.

Tim O'Connor



On 3/27/2021 3:28 PM, Claus Schlund wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
Altho the image was taken in 1979, this gon must have been around during out time period of interest...
 
SP 30251 gon in 1979
 
 
More info at the link below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: M&Pa X41 tool car 40ft ss box in color

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Thanks James - who would have thought! What a lifetime for a boxcar!
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2021 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] M&Pa X41 tool car 40ft ss box in color

Hi Claus,

This is Ma & Pa X-11, not X-41. X-11 was built in 1927 as NJI&I 78103. The Ma & Pa received it in 1956 and kept it on the roster until 1983. It still exists at the Maryland & Pennsylvania Railroad Preservation Society in Muddy Creek Forks, Pa. The NJI&I reporting marks are still legible on the interior of the car.

All the best,

James

=-=-=

James McDonald
Greenbelt, Maryland







Re: NWX #19954 Box Car DRI Protecto Car - reefer? Insulated boxcar?

Tim O'Connor
 


AAR class RB - also Rock Island (CRIX) and Archer Daniels Midland (ADMX)

I've attached a Mike Sosalla photo of a Rock Island car.

================================

On 3/27/2021 11:44 AM, Claus Schlund wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
NWX #19954 Box Car DRI Protecto Car - reefer? Insulated boxcar?
 
 
More info at the link below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: M&Pa X41 tool car 40ft ss box in color

James McDonald
 

Hi Claus,

This is Ma & Pa X-11, not X-41. X-11 was built in 1927 as NJI&I 78103. The Ma & Pa received it in 1956 and kept it on the roster until 1983. It still exists at the Maryland & Pennsylvania Railroad Preservation Society in Muddy Creek Forks, Pa. The NJI&I reporting marks are still legible on the interior of the car.

All the best,

James

=-=-=

James McDonald
Greenbelt, Maryland


Re: Photo: SP Hi-Cube Boxcar (1955)

Chris Barkan
 

Here is an ebay image of SP 615200 with its doors shut providing a more complete view of its exterior.
https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/183141984253_/Original-Slide-Southern-Pacific-SP-615200-Hy-Cube-Boxcar.jpg

SP Freight Car Specification Sheet No. 17 Hydra Cushion Hy-Cube Box Cars describes in more detail the cars that succeeded the original Whitehead & Kales car.  It can be found, along with several of the car series and dimensions, here:
https://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?96312-Suggestions-for-Jointed-Rail-(Not-Locomotives)/page30&styleid=7

Given the date of this car's manufacture, further discussion of this thread should probably move over to the Baby Boomers https://groups.io/g/bbfcl and Modern Freight car https://groups.io/g/MFCL groups

I think that the info stating "1955" in the Arizona Memory Project must be a typo. Nevertheless, I enjoyed learning about this car and thank Bob for asking the initial question that started this thread.
--
Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL


Re: Photo: SP Hi-Cube Boxcar (1955)

kevinhlafferty
 

I believe this may actually be SP 615200 a B-70-18. It was a one car class built by Whitehead and Kales in 1963 and was the fore-runner of SPs 86’ Hy Cube cars. A bit of a rarity.

http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/spcars/byclass/box/b070-18.htm

 

Kevin Lafferty

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2021 3:11 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: SP Hi-Cube Boxcar (1955)

 

Photo: SP Hi-Cube Boxcar (1955)

A photo from the Arizona Memory Project:

https://azmemory.azlibrary.gov/digital/collection/histphotos/id/20701/rec/3

This photo can be enlarged.

Description says this was taken in 1955. Accurate or too early for this car?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: C&S 15155 and another slab side ballast hopper doing what they were built to do

kevinhlafferty
 

Snap track! And it even has a broken tie.

 

Kevin Lafferty

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2021 2:11 PM
To: STMFC
Subject: [RealSTMFC] C&S 15155 and another slab side ballast hopper doing what they were built to do

 

Hi List Members,

 

Nice image showing C&S 15155 and another slab side ballast hopper doing what they were built to do...

 

 

More info at the link below...

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund


Re: INDIANA RAILROAD 147 ds trussrod boxcar

mel perry
 

not in its present condition, no brakes,
no.reporting.marks, damage to the side
door frame, it looks like this thing is
sitting on either a deadline or a rip track
;-)

On Sat, Mar 27, 2021, 12:07 PM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
It is unclear to me if this INDIANA RAILROAD 147 ds trussrod boxcar would have gotten around in interchange or not...
 
 
More info at the link below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


Looking for O Scale Intermountain Reefer Kit instructions

William Hirt
 

I just had a friend call me and he has been given an Intermountain O Scale reefer kit to assemble. It is factory painted BREX. The kit has no instruction sheet(s). Does anyone have any of these reefer kits so that they could scan and send me the instructions? I can then print them out for him.

Many thanks,

Bill Hirt


Re: INDIANA RAILROAD 147 ds trussrod boxcar

william darnaby
 

The IR did so some interchange with the Monon south of Greencastle where its cars would be given to the Monon for delivery to the very nearby cement works.  These cars would be immediately returned to the IR for delivery to some customer on its system.  There is a photo of this on page 51 in the IR book by Bradley.

 

Bill Darnaby

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2021 2:40 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] INDIANA RAILROAD 147 ds trussrod boxcar

 

On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 12:07 PM, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) wrote:

It is unclear to me if this INDIANA RAILROAD 147 ds trussrod boxcar would have gotten around in interchange or not...

 

Not legal for interchange on the general rail system, but it is built to the specifications to allow interchange on Central Electric Railroad Association member roads, so could likely be seen on any interurban in Indiana or Ohio.  The Indiana Railroad was abandoned in 1941 on the eve of WWII, and by this late date there were no surviving connections.

Dennis Storzek

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