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Re: GRANDT LINE OIL DISTRIBUTOR

Douglas Harding
 

That is the kit. The photo looks like the same photo Grandt Line used. When I spoke with the San Juan people at the Narrow Gauge Convention in Sacramento, their intention was to return the kit to production. Lets hope this is true.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Scott H. Haycock
Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 10:03 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] GRANDT LINE OIL DISTRIBUTOR

 

Look at Midwest Oil Dist. on this page:

 

 

Is this it?

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantment

On 04/01/2021 8:42 PM WILLIAM PARDIE <pardiew001@...> wrote:

 

 

 

 

It ha been on acknowledged that the tanks in the Grandt line oil distributor kit were superior to other offerings.  They had long been 9ff the market.  A few years ago Grandt Line had a table at an O Scale convention.  I was told that the molds for the tanks had been broken and would not be replaced.

 

Subsequently I obtained a kit on E Bay.  I wanted some additional tanks so I continued to monitor the site.  A week ago I scored another kit.  When it came in I was surprised to find the instructions were labeled SAN JUAN DETAILS (FORMALLY GRANDT LINE.  This may mean that the kit is back on the market if anyone is interested.

 

Bill Pardie

 

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Re: GRANDT LINE OIL DISTRIBUTOR

Scott H. Haycock
 

Look at Midwest Oil Dist. on this page:
 
 
Is this it?

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
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On 04/01/2021 8:42 PM WILLIAM PARDIE <pardiew001@...> wrote:
 
 
 
 
It ha been on acknowledged that the tanks in the Grandt line oil distributor kit were superior to other offerings.  They had long been 9ff the market.  A few years ago Grandt Line had a table at an O Scale convention.  I was told that the molds for the tanks had been broken and would not be replaced.
 
Subsequently I obtained a kit on E Bay.  I wanted some additional tanks so I continued to monitor the site.  A week ago I scored another kit.  When it came in I was surprised to find the instructions were labeled SAN JUAN DETAILS (FORMALLY GRANDT LINE.  This may mean that the kit is back on the market if anyone is interested.
 
Bill Pardie
 
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 


GRANDT LINE OIL DISTRIBUTOR

WILLIAM PARDIE
 



It ha been on acknowledged that the tanks in the Grandt line oil distributor kit were superior to other offerings.  They had long been 9ff the market.  A few years ago Grandt Line had a table at an O Scale convention.  I was told that the molds for the tanks had been broken and would not be replaced.

Subsequently I obtained a kit on E Bay.  I wanted some additional tanks so I continued to monitor the site.  A week ago I scored another kit.  When it came in I was surprised to find the instructions were labeled SAN JUAN DETAILS (FORMALLY GRANDT LINE.  This may mean that the kit is back on the market if anyone is interested.

Bill Pardie

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


Re: ICC valuation

Tony Thompson
 

Dave Bott wrote:

I now have a concrete example of what the ICC documentation for rolling stock would look like.  Tony Thompson mentioned the "53" section, and I dug around in my backlog of documents.  Here is what Section 53 looked like for the Southern Railway (attached PDF).  It is more detailed than I suggested, but less detailed than photographs and drawings as you might find in railroad-specific diagram books.

Yes, the detail pages must have been standard throughout, as they match what I have for SP,  EP&SW (not yet acquired by SP), and UP.

Tony Thompson




Re: Tichy wheel car

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I thought that I tried to reply to this one, but I don't see it on the website.  I've been having issues with Earthlink, again, this week.

The Rock island car is one of their all aluminum express boxcars from 1946, numbered in the series 20060-20069.  Originally natural aluminum, this one has since been painted in a shade of heavyweight passenger car green with yellowish gold lettering.  The medallion may have a red background or be just an outling by this time.

The trucks are not Allied Full Cushion, but rather Barber S-1-B trucks.  The only model of these trucks is the old Cape Line (now LaBelle Woodworking) cast metal truck.  It is there number HO-518.  See it at La Belle Woodworking Company (labellemodels.com)

Originally natural aluminum, this car has been painted a shade of heavyweight passenger car green with yellow gold lettering.Let'

Let's see if this one gets through.

Steve Hile

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Smith
Sent: Apr 1, 2021 8:18 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tichy wheel car

Responding to Tim's posting of photos, of note

in the first photo the RI boxcar has Allied full cushion trucks and that would make it an express car I believe.

Can't really make out the # on that car though.

Dan Smith


Re: ICC valuation

A&Y Dave in MD
 

Larry,

I now have a concrete example of what the ICC documentation for rolling stock would look like.  Tony Thompson mentioned the "53" section, and I dug around in my backlog of documents.  Here is what Section 53 looked like for the Southern Railway (attached PDF).  It is more detailed than I suggested, but less detailed than photographs and drawings as you might find in railroad-specific diagram books.

Hope this answers more definitively what you are interested in.

Best,

Dave

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David Bott, modeling the A&Y in '34


Re: Tichy wheel car

 

Responding to Tim's posting of photos, of note

in the first photo the RI boxcar has Allied full cushion trucks and that would make it an express car I believe.

Can't really make out the # on that car though.

Dan Smith


Re: Tichy wheel car

Tony Thompson
 

Guy Wilber wrote:

This may be the video in question:


Thanks, Guy, an interesting film and one I don’t think I’ve seen. And it includes a nice segment on wheel production. But the one I’m remembering was black and white.
Tony Thompson 


Re: Tichy wheel car

Guy Wilber
 

Tony Thompson wrote:

“Some have asked, off-list, for a citation of the SP video I mentioned. I don't have a link and don't know if it's on-line or not.”

This may be the video in question:


Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada 

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Re: Tichy wheel car

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Of greater interest to me is the Rock Island aluminum express boxcar behind the wheel car.  It has been painted green, but looks quite a lot like it did in 1946.

Steve Hile

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor
Sent: Apr 1, 2021 3:44 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tichy wheel car


Some SP wheels...


On 3/30/2021 9:01 PM, Steve SANDIFER wrote:

These are contemporary photos, but most color ones are newer than this group.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jerry Michels
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 1:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tichy wheel car

 

The wheels are probably a little too uniformly rusty, but new wheels can get rusty if they have set around for a while.  If they are new, then the gunk is out.  If they are older sets, perhaps reused by the wreck crew, they could be gunky. Jerry Michels

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Tim O'Connor
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Re: NJI&I to Wabash at Pine - Part 3

Jack Mullen
 

Oops! Just caught a typo in my previous post. Original number series s/b 87000-87124, 125 cars.

Jack


Re: NJI&I to Wabash at Pine - Part 3

Jack Mullen
 


 On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 01:10 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
NJI&I 4233 appears to be a rebuilt War Emergency box car! When was this done?
Well spotted, Tim!  They were indeed. Wabash's Emergency boxcars 87000-87224 were built by Decatur shops in 1944. The in-house design differed from most other WE boxcars, in that the side sill was an angle placed with the vertical flange against the outer face of the side posts. I suspect that feature made it pretty straightforward to add steel sheathing.

According to Pat Wider's article in RPC19, 50 were converted and transferred to NJI&I  in Jan. 1961 the remainder by July 1962.

Jack Mullen


Re: Tichy wheel car

Tony Thompson
 

   Some have asked, off-list, for a citation of the SP video I mentioned. I don't have a link and don't know if it's on-line or not. But I did write a blog post on the topic of wheel production in SP's shop at Sacramento, and it includes some photos from the SP employee  magazine, _SP Bulletin_, one of which shows a workman rolling a wheel on its edge. That article was in the July 1953 _SP Bulletin_. Here's a link to the blog post if you're interested:


     Railroad car wheels were produced by several commercial companies and sold to railroads. But large railroads (like SP) with their own wheel foundry, assembled those wheels into wheelsets in their own shop, in this case Sacramento.

Tony Thompson




Re: Tichy wheel car

Tim O'Connor
 


Some SP wheels...


On 3/30/2021 9:01 PM, Steve SANDIFER wrote:

These are contemporary photos, but most color ones are newer than this group.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jerry Michels
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 1:09 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tichy wheel car

 

The wheels are probably a little too uniformly rusty, but new wheels can get rusty if they have set around for a while.  If they are new, then the gunk is out.  If they are older sets, perhaps reused by the wreck crew, they could be gunky. Jerry Michels

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: NJI&I to Wabash at Pine - Part 3

Tim O'Connor
 

Ron

Cool   8-)   NJI&I 4233 appears to be a rebuilt War Emergency box car! When was this done?
I say that because of the 8 panel sides and 5/5 ends, which corresponds with the 8 panel sides
of the Wabash WE box cars.

Tim O'Connor


On 4/1/2021 8:03 AM, ron christensen via groups.io wrote:
A couple of pictures of cars the 40 foot NJI&I boxcar was in Rantoul IL. in the 1960s
The Wabash 49114 is in North Judson IN. The stencil reads "when empty return to NJI&I RR South Bend Ind"
Ron Christensen

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Re: Tichy wheel car

Tony Thompson
 

Ed Mims wrote:

I can assure you that Richard Webster's description of a wheel change in a railroad shop or car repair track is accurate. You can not remove or apply a solid bearing wheel set without first removing one side frame from its position in the truck bolster to provide space for the axle to be positioned (or removed) in an integral journal box type side frame. Trucks with separable journal boxes, such as Andrews trucks, are much easier. The journal boxes can be removed along with the axle being changed out whiteout disturbing the bolster. The wheel set can be replaced with the journal boxes installed on the axle and the journal boxes re-bolted to the side frames.

     No argument. I just maintain that cranes were by no means always used or available. Small jacks, to support side frames or bolsters, were used in many of the photos I have seen.

Tony Thompson




Re: NJI&I to Wabash at Pine - Part 3

Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
 

On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 10:03 AM, Bob Chapman wrote:
Ron Christensen's photo of NJI&I #4233 brought back a question re a NJI&I boxcar project I posted a while back -- anyone know why the prototype went with "wrong side" reporting marks on the #100-series?
The Wabash did that a lot. I'm of the opinion they didn't want the open door to obscure their name. That was the stated reason for the ARA recommending the reporting mark and number go to the left of the door, but it appears the Wabash kept them far enough to the right that a fully open door didn't hide anything important.

Dennis Storzek


Re: WTB: Sunshine Trailer & Rapido GARX Reefer

Peter Ness
 

I’m all set on the trailers but realize I may not have been very clear on the Rapido GARX reefer I’m seeking:

 

I am looking for the road name Wimp. The single car was 121047 and the 4-pack was 121048.  The GARX car numbers are 1501, 1503, 1504, 1507. I am only looking for one car, any number is fine.

 

Stay healthy,

Peter

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Ness
Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 11:55 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] WTB: Sunshine Trailer & Rapido GARX Reefer

 

I'm getting impatient waiting to see if these will ever come up on ebay or the hoswap group, hoping perhaps these may be floating around on someone's shelf looking for a good home.
Sunshine Models: any one of Kits 83.11 to 82.17 32’ (PRR 30’) Trailer, preferably kit 82.15 to 82.17 with side door
Rapido: GARX 37' Wood Meat Reefer Wimp  (any road number)

Please contact me at prness "at" comcast "dot" net if you can help.

Thanks and stay healthy,
Peter Ness


Re: NJI&I to Wabash at Pine - Part 3

Bob Chapman
 

Ron Christensen's photo of NJI&I #4233 brought back a question re a NJI&I boxcar project I posted a while back -- anyone know why the prototype went with "wrong side" reporting marks on the #100-series?
 
(The model is a Front Range upgrade. Parts added include a Yarmouth Models US Gypsum runningboard, Kadee 7/7 ladders/bracket grabs/Miner brakewheel, and Kato ASF A-3 trucks. Front Range’s deep fishbelly sidesill was modified to NJI&I’s more conventional pattern. Decals are from K4. No weathering – once in a while we need a fresh car, but love the weathering on #4233. May need to take this one back to the workbench....)
 
Regards,
Bob Chapman


WTB: Sunshine Trailer & Rapido GARX Reefer

Peter Ness
 

I'm getting impatient waiting to see if these will ever come up on ebay or the hoswap group, hoping perhaps these may be floating around on someone's shelf looking for a good home.
Sunshine Models: any one of Kits 83.11 to 82.17 32’ (PRR 30’) Trailer, preferably kit 82.15 to 82.17 with side door
Rapido: GARX 37' Wood Meat Reefer Wimp  (any road number)

Please contact me at prness "at" comcast "dot" net if you can help.

Thanks and stay healthy,
Peter Ness

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