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Re: tank cars GATX 22909 and HMHX 6012 in 1949

CJ Riley
 

It looks like the brickwork joints on the left side were roughly and crudely repointed to repair water damage. If not properly cleaned, usually with Muriatic acid, a light coating from the mortar could remain. Something to consider modeling on purpose rather than the oft seen over coating from too much modelers mortar (paint or whatever).




Re: Roster help Coal Belt Railway freight cars circa 1902-1905

Dennis Storzek
 

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:21 PM, Charlie Duckworth wrote:
I assume hoppers given their primary customers were coal mines but would obviously like to know more. 
Given the year and local, I would be moren inclined to think wooden gons rather than hoppers.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Roster help Coal Belt Railway freight cars circa 1902-1905

Douglas Harding
 

Charlie, Google books is your friend.

https://books.google.com/books?id=YhUlAAAAMAAJ&hl=en

 

This page is from the July 1904 ORER and shows 2 locomotives and 27 freight cars.

 

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlie Duckworth
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 2:22 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Roster help Coal Belt Railway freight cars circa 1902-1905

 

If anyone has a ORER from 1904 I’d like to know if any freight cars are listed for the Coal Belt Railway. I’m finishing up an article for the MISSouri Pacific Historical Society on the Coal Belt Electric and Coal Belt Railways and when Peabody Coal Company sold the two railroads to George Gould (Iron Mountain) the contract states the CBRy had two locomotives and freight cars.  I’ve got the locomotives identified but can’t determine what the freight roster was.  I assume hoppers given their primary customers were coal mines but would obviously like to know more. 

So if anyone has a 1902-1905 ORER it might disclose what they owned. 

Thanks 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Roster help Coal Belt Railway freight cars circa 1902-1905

earlyrail
 

From the July 1904 ORER
2 locomotives and 27 freight cars
Just a 4 line listing, no details.
This is a Mach 1904 update
not listed in my 1903 ORER's
Oct 1905 update 1 locomotive, 27 cars

Howard Garner


Re: Wrecked M-K-T Stock Cars

Bill Keene
 

Attached … if the magic works … is a bit from the December 1937 issue of the Katy’s employee magazine at the time the 47001-series stock cars were being built by the railroad. 

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA



On Apr 6, 2021, at 12:33 PM, Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...> wrote:

Tim, the MKT car resembles the I-GN stockcar built a couple years later.  
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Roster help Coal Belt Railway freight cars circa 1902-1905

Marty McGuirk
 

Had no idea there was a real railroad called the Coal Belt.
The only Coal Belt I knew of was Bill Henderson’s wonderful HO layout set in Camelback country. 

Marty 



On Apr 6, 2021, at 3:21 PM, Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...> wrote:



If anyone has a ORER from 1904 I’d like to know if any freight cars are listed for the Coal Belt Railway. I’m finishing up an article for the MISSouri Pacific Historical Society on the Coal Belt Electric and Coal Belt Railways and when Peabody Coal Company sold the two railroads to George Gould (Iron Mountain) the contract states the CBRy had two locomotives and freight cars.  I’ve got the locomotives identified but can’t determine what the freight roster was.  I assume hoppers given their primary customers were coal mines but would obviously like to know more. 

So if anyone has a 1902-1905 ORER it might disclose what they owned. 

Thanks 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Wrecked M-K-T Stock Cars

Charlie Duckworth
 

Tim, the MKT car resembles the I-GN stockcar built a couple years later.  
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] PRR class X26 USRA ss boxcar in 1948

Bruce Griffin
 

Chris,

I would agree, it is an M-53, the attached photo shows a rebuilt M-15 with a wagontop body (subclass k and l). The M-15k and l boxcars had a narrower underframe and solid end beam (left over from original M-15) as seen in the photo.

Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD
https://bomodeling.com/blog/

 


Roster help Coal Belt Railway freight cars circa 1902-1905

Charlie Duckworth
 

If anyone has a ORER from 1904 I’d like to know if any freight cars are listed for the Coal Belt Railway. I’m finishing up an article for the MISSouri Pacific Historical Society on the Coal Belt Electric and Coal Belt Railways and when Peabody Coal Company sold the two railroads to George Gould (Iron Mountain) the contract states the CBRy had two locomotives and freight cars.  I’ve got the locomotives identified but can’t determine what the freight roster was.  I assume hoppers given their primary customers were coal mines but would obviously like to know more. 

So if anyone has a 1902-1905 ORER it might disclose what they owned. 

Thanks 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: GRANDT LINE OIL DISTRIBUTOR FOOTNOTE AND QUESTION

Tony Thompson
 

BILL PARDIE wrote:

I painted thousands of drums without giving it much thought. The Grandt Line tqanks are drying while awaiting Flying A logos that afre being produced. My thoughts went to painting detaild for the facility. Flying A was active in Hawaii at the time but I do not recall noticing what color they painted their drums. Hopefully someone with a long memory might recall what color color they used on their drums.
There are photos of Associated drums in red with a white center stripe, and black with a red stripe. Probably other combos too. Most oil companies did this for different products, such as grease, etc. Associated used Tidewater"s trade names for lubricants (Tydol and Veedol), as they had joined Tidewater to form Tidewater Associated before WW II.

Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR class X26 USRA ss boxcar in 1948

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi List Members,
 
With respect to diamond oriented placards on boxcars, the three types I have seen are DANGEROUS and ACID and INFLAMMABLE.
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2021 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR class X26 USRA ss boxcar in 1948

Brian;

 

I can’t see enough to see what specific placard this might be, but I used to have a collection of hazardous material placards most of which were diamond-shaped (meant to be displayed like that).  I got many from tank cars, but not all:  “Inflammable”, etc.

 

I have seen these on box cars, but have no idea if this was a “standard”, “accepted” use.  Someone stapled them onto one or more tack boards.

 

Richard Hendrickson and I had a long conversation about these.  He and Tony, IIRC, worked on assembling a package for MicroScale to do them as decals.  It is a very nice set.  Presto, model!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Stokes
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 8:08 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR class X26 USRA ss boxcar in 1948

 

Anyone know what the diamond shaped placard on the end of the car at far left is? 

 

The switch leading to the track the locomotive is on with its points inside the crossover switch is an interesting detail as well. Would be fun to model. 


--
Brian Stokes
North Point Street in Proto:48


GRANDT LINE OIL DISTRIBUTOR FOOTNOTE AND QUESTION

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Subsequent to last weeks discussion of the Grandt Line oil distributor kits I assembled and painted the tanks from my two kits.This led to
many memories and a question. My first job out of college was with Union Oil.Everybody started at the bottom and my first assignment was to start the day by firing up a boiler and then cleaning and painting fifty five gallon oil drums. The paintinbg was done by placing the drum in a Rube Goldberg type of contraption that rotated the barrel for painting. The sides of the drum were painted blue followed by a coat of orange
sprayed on the top and bottom. This was done without masking shooting the top[ and bottom at an angle preventing overspray. This was union’s signature ;paint scheme.The job itself progressed to delivering the loaded three hundred pound drums to customers and then coming in at 5:00 AM to climb and manually gage the 8 to 10 tanks in the tank farm.

I painted thousands of drums without giving it much thought. The Grandt Line tqanks are drying while awaiting Flying A logos that afre being produced. My thoughts went to painting detaild for the facility. Flying A was active in Hawaii at the time but I do not recall noticing what color they painted their drums. Hopefully someone with a long memory might recall what color color they used on their drums.

Thanks inadvance for any help:

Bill Pardie


tank cars GATX 22909 and HMHX 6012 in 1949

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
I believe this scene linked below shows us the track that the switch engine is standing on in the link I mentioned in my prior email...
 
Besides the interesting industrial scene, we get a view of tank cars GATX 22909 and HMHX 6012 in 1949
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
To: STMFC
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2021 10:51 AM
Subject: PRR class X26 USRA ss boxcar in 1948

Hi List Members,
 
A great view of a gritty 1948 industrial scene. A PRR class X26 USRA ss boxcar is visible. Note the original wooden door has been replaced with a steel door by this time. Also note the switch engine hiding between the cuts of cars, a switchman is standing by to help out with whatever needs to still be done. This would make a great scene on a model railroad, don't you think? I also like the damaged brick wall - both on the prototype and on any model this would beg the question  - what happened there? Did a careless forklift operator back the thing right thru the wall coming from the loading dock side?
 
 
Use the "Pan and Zoom" tool to get closer to the action.
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Gondola Retaining Clips

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Are they decals, or raised pieces that can be applied to raise above the surface or off the edge of a top chord?

 

How much $?

 

Thanks!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:07 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Gondola Retaining Clips

 


What a great idea!! :-)

Tim O'Connor


On 4/6/2021 10:16 AM, gtws00 via groups.io wrote:

I just saw that Archer has released a New set of Gondola Retaining Clips as  Resin Surface Part AR88190 that were researched by Frank Hodina
Should come in handy 
George Toman

Attachments:

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Gondola Retaining Clips

Tim O'Connor
 


What a great idea!! :-)

Tim O'Connor


On 4/6/2021 10:16 AM, gtws00 via groups.io wrote:
I just saw that Archer has released a New set of Gondola Retaining Clips as  Resin Surface Part AR88190 that were researched by Frank Hodina
Should come in handy 
George Toman

Attachments:



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR class X26 USRA ss boxcar in 1948

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

This is one of the shortest I ever saw:  PRR’s Mon Div Whitehall Branch early sixties.

 

Reefers for Armour & Co use spur to right.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Stokes
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 10:19 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR class X26 USRA ss boxcar in 1948

 

Interesting. I always thought a three way switch was more compact than that ... 


--
Brian Stokes
North Point Street in Proto:48


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR class X26 USRA ss boxcar in 1948

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Brian;

 

I can’t see enough to see what specific placard this might be, but I used to have a collection of hazardous material placards most of which were diamond-shaped (meant to be displayed like that).  I got many from tank cars, but not all:  “Inflammable”, etc.

 

I have seen these on box cars, but have no idea if this was a “standard”, “accepted” use.  Someone stapled them onto one or more tack boards.

 

Richard Hendrickson and I had a long conversation about these.  He and Tony, IIRC, worked on assembling a package for MicroScale to do them as decals.  It is a very nice set.  Presto, model!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Stokes
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 8:08 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR class X26 USRA ss boxcar in 1948

 

Anyone know what the diamond shaped placard on the end of the car at far left is? 

 

The switch leading to the track the locomotive is on with its points inside the crossover switch is an interesting detail as well. Would be fun to model. 


--
Brian Stokes
North Point Street in Proto:48


Re: PRR class X26 USRA ss boxcar in 1948

Brian Stokes
 

Interesting. I always thought a three way switch was more compact than that ... 

--
Brian Stokes
North Point Street in Proto:48


Gondola Retaining Clips

gtws00
 

I just saw that Archer has released a New set of Gondola Retaining Clips as  Resin Surface Part AR88190 that were researched by Frank Hodina
Should come in handy 
George Toman


Re: PRR class X26 USRA ss boxcar in 1948

Douglas Harding
 

Yes, it’s a three way switch, with one leg being used in a crossover. Commercial component readily available to model that trackwork, in most scales.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 8:41 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR class X26 USRA ss boxcar in 1948

 

Hi Brian and List Members,

 

Brian wrote: "The switch leading to the track the locomotive is on with its points inside the crossover switch is an interesting detail as well. Would be fun to model"

 

Isn't that simply a three-way switch? In which case these are commercially made and available...

 

Claus Schlund

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, April 05, 2021 8:07 PM

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR class X26 USRA ss boxcar in 1948

 

Anyone know what the diamond shaped placard on the end of the car at far left is? 

 

The switch leading to the track the locomotive is on with its points inside the crossover switch is an interesting detail as well. Would be fun to model. 


--
Brian Stokes
North Point Street in Proto:48

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