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Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Oranges

Bruce Smith
 

Mel.

Air? 😉

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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what is on top of the car roof?
;-)

On Sun, Apr 11, 2021, 6:40 PM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
Mel,

HUH? "Aluminum foil"??? Are you talking about the metal roof? If so, it is neither aluminum, nor foil.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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aluminum foil on top of the roof, outside


On Sun, Apr 11, 2021, 1:24 PM Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Where do you see “sheet foil?”

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mel perry
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Oranges

 

bob: 

any explanation for the sheet foil on top of the car?

thanks

;-)


Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Oranges

mel perry
 

what is on top of the car roof?
;-)

On Sun, Apr 11, 2021, 6:40 PM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
Mel,

HUH? "Aluminum foil"??? Are you talking about the metal roof? If so, it is neither aluminum, nor foil.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of mel perry <clipper841@...>
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Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Oranges
 
CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.
aluminum foil on top of the roof, outside


On Sun, Apr 11, 2021, 1:24 PM Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Where do you see “sheet foil?”

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mel perry
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 1:49 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Oranges

 

bob: 

any explanation for the sheet foil on top of the car?

thanks

;-)


Re: PRR X29B

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Try the Ben Hom articles. 

Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Mike Clements via groups.io" <mbclements@...>
Date: 4/11/21 2:12 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] PRR X29B

I was reading the two part series on the X29B from the 11-12/92 issues of Mainline Modeler. There are a couple of discrepancies between the two articles. In the first Greg Martin went the extra mile to model the car with a Murphy roof while the plans in Martin Lofton's follow up show diagonal panel. I would think that given the 1948-50 build period that the roof changed halfway through, do we know the numbers? Second, Greg Martin's model was built with four heavy crossbearers, while the plans show just two (the two that Greg installed at the edges of the door weren't there). Which is correct? 

Mike Clements
Wakefield, MA
nyc65.wordpress.com


Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Oranges

Bruce Smith
 

Mel,

HUH? "Aluminum foil"??? Are you talking about the metal roof? If so, it is neither aluminum, nor foil.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of mel perry <clipper841@...>
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 6:54 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Oranges
 
CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.
aluminum foil on top of the roof, outside


On Sun, Apr 11, 2021, 1:24 PM Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Where do you see “sheet foil?”

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mel perry
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 1:49 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Oranges

 

bob: 

any explanation for the sheet foil on top of the car?

thanks

;-)


Re: PFE Reefer in NYC Express Train

Steve SANDIFER
 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mopacfirst
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 7:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PFE Reefer in NYC Express Train

 

I watch the Sunshine items closely.  I think the express reefers suffer from a double whammy, one being the most significant issue, that this prototype was later done in plastic, by Walthers and maybe others.  The other issue with these wood-side express reefers being that they were issued with lettering for a number of roads who only owned them, and maybe only owned a small number, for a short time.  There are a number of other Sunshine releases that were later done in plastic, sometimes only a couple years after the Sunshine release, which effectively torpedoed the sales of the resin kit.

Ron Merrick


Re: PFE Reefer in NYC Express Train

kevinhlafferty
 

I had also noticed that the Sunshine express reefer kits don't do well on eBay but I had always assumed it was due to the availability of reasonable quality plastic models; specifically Branchline/Atlas for the welded cars and both Walthers and BLI for the wood cars. I think the lack of availability of an accurate plastic kit/assembled model would justify the effort required in producing a kit (i.e. sales). I think an F&C or Resin Car Works or Speedwitch kit is a great idea and I would definitely be in the market for at least 1.

Kevin Lafferty 


Re: PFE Reefer in NYC Express Train

Tim O'Connor
 


Unfortunately Martin chose the prototypes - General American wood sheathed and the
later all steel cars - that both became excellent mass market plastic models. Prices for
brass models of GN steel express box cars and express reefers have held up rather well
I think because they are distinctive and there is no plastic alternative.

How is the old passenger car market doing anyway? I saw an article on a huge uptick
for Marklin train set sales in 2020... I wonder if anything like that happened here.

Tim O'Connor


On 4/11/2021 7:09 PM, Tom Madden via groups.io wrote:
On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 09:49 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Maybe we should bug Steve Funaro for a resin kit. :-) These PFE BR-1 express reefers enjoyed long
careers from the 1920's to 1960 and perhaps later. And they travelled all over.
On the secondary market, the Sunshine kits that do the worst are the express reefers. I guess freight car folks think of them as passenger cars, and there aren't enough passenger car modelers to pick up the slack. 

Tom Madden

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Image of CN 3903 36ft ss box Portland ME 1924

Marc Simpson
 

I think that part of the CN car number must not be visible, CN didn't roster any boxcars with a number series that low.  If you squint hard enough you can see a bit of paint between the end verticals that might indicate the car series was in the 3XXXXX or 4XXXXX series which had single sheath boxcars in those number series.  

http://nakina.net/cn/cn4.html is my "go to" for CN and CP freight car data.  

--
Marc Simpson


PRR X29B

Mike Clements
 

I was reading the two part series on the X29B from the 11-12/92 issues of Mainline Modeler. There are a couple of discrepancies between the two articles. In the first Greg Martin went the extra mile to model the car with a Murphy roof while the plans in Martin Lofton's follow up show diagonal panel. I would think that given the 1948-50 build period that the roof changed halfway through, do we know the numbers? Second, Greg Martin's model was built with four heavy crossbearers, while the plans show just two (the two that Greg installed at the edges of the door weren't there). Which is correct? 

Mike Clements
Wakefield, MA
nyc65.wordpress.com


Re: PFE Reefer in NYC Express Train

mopacfirst
 

I watch the Sunshine items closely.  I think the express reefers suffer from a double whammy, one being the most significant issue, that this prototype was later done in plastic, by Walthers and maybe others.  The other issue with these wood-side express reefers being that they were issued with lettering for a number of roads who only owned them, and maybe only owned a small number, for a short time.  There are a number of other Sunshine releases that were later done in plastic, sometimes only a couple years after the Sunshine release, which effectively torpedoed the sales of the resin kit.

Ron Merrick


Re: Photo: Loading Oranges

mel perry
 

aluminum foil on top of the roof, outside


On Sun, Apr 11, 2021, 1:24 PM Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Where do you see “sheet foil?”

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mel perry
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 1:49 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Oranges

 

bob: 

any explanation for the sheet foil on top of the car?

thanks

;-)


Re: Photo: Loading Oranges

Bob Chaparro
 

"I also noticed the ends of the orange crates are not solid boards..."
Yes, these are the first crates I've seen without solid ends, but all the many examples I've seen are from California's citrus industry. The wire binding is a bit unusual but not entirely.
Perhaps the location is Florida or Texas.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Image of CN 3903 36ft ss box Portland ME 1924

Dave Parker
 

As Ben indicated, the six New England states plus NY comprised the marketing territory assigned to SOCONY after the 1911 breakup.

Which is not to say that other "baby standards" weren't present in New England, they were.  Specifically, Indiana (Amoco), New Jersey (Esso), and Atlantic (the PA and DE territory)

Likewise, SOCONY, under various guises (Mobilgas, Lubrite, Magnolia, others), was able to market in areas initially assigned to other baby standards.

This crossing of territorial boundaries was most often accomplished by buying up smaller local/regional refineries.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: PFE Reefer in NYC Express Train

Tom Madden
 

On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 09:49 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Maybe we should bug Steve Funaro for a resin kit. :-) These PFE BR-1 express reefers enjoyed long
careers from the 1920's to 1960 and perhaps later. And they travelled all over.
On the secondary market, the Sunshine kits that do the worst are the express reefers. I guess freight car folks think of them as passenger cars, and there aren't enough passenger car modelers to pick up the slack. 

Tom Madden


Re: PFE Reefer in NYC Express Train

Ray Hutchison
 

Those are all NYC mail storage cars behind the PFE express reefer?


A NYC 40ft steel box and NH 168569 ds box in Auburn ME ca 1930

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi List Members,
 
A NYC 40ft steel box and NH 168569 ds box in Auburn ME ca 1930
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


PFE and FGEX reefers in Oakfield Junction yard ME 1930

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi List Members,
 
PFE and FGEX reefers in Oakfield Junction yard ME 1930
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


B&M 40ft ss Pratt truss box Princeton ME in 1933

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi List Members,

B&M 40ft ss Pratt truss box Princeton ME in 1933
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


the word TARMAC in stylized fashion is discernable

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi List Members,
 
The lettering on this tank car is a bit hard to make out, but the word TARMAC in stylized fashion is discernable. I will note that cars belongs to The Barrett Company with reporting marks BMX have a similar inscription, but the ones I have seen have the word TARVIA. Any relation?
 
Tank car Standish ME ca 1935
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: Image of CN 3903 36ft ss box Portland ME 1924

Benjamin Hom
 

"I'm wondering about the vehicle - STANDARD OIL CO OF NY - in Portland ME? That is a long way for a delivery. Any thoughts on that?"

New England was definitely SOCONY territory after the Standard Oil breakup.


Ben Hom

11501 - 11520 of 194794