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Re: Photo: Loading Oranges

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Tim,
 
I have more than 20 Sunshine PFE reefer kits of most of their different car types, and I always thought they have been very well researched and are accurate. Which of their PFE kits is not correct, and to what degree? Possible to correct it?
(And do you have a date of that nice color photo?)
 
Many thanks and greetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1954
 
Gesendet: Montag, 12. April 2021 um 14:20 Uhr
Von: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Oranges

Matthew is right.

The Westerfield R-50-x model is dimensionally correct. The Sunshine model is not.

Tim O'Connor


On 4/12/2021 7:39 AM, Matthew Hurst wrote:
Stephen,

I believe you'd have better luck with a Westerfield PFE R70-1 or a PSC brass one... They do show up from time to time on Brasstrains.com and eBay.

Regards,

Matthew Hurst
PRRT&HS #6799
PRRT&HS modeling committee

On April 11, 2021, at 10:40 PM, Stephen Dolezal <sdolezal04@...> wrote:

I’d love to get a PFE 50 footer if F&C could be convinced.   Missed my chance with Sunshine’s car years ago!

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Loading Oranges

Tim O'Connor
 


Matthew is right.

The Westerfield R-50-x model is dimensionally correct. The Sunshine model is not.

Tim O'Connor


On 4/12/2021 7:39 AM, Matthew Hurst wrote:
Stephen,

I believe you'd have better luck with a Westerfield PFE R70-1 or a PSC brass one... They do show up from time to time on Brasstrains.com and eBay.

Regards,

Matthew Hurst
PRRT&HS #6799
PRRT&HS modeling committee

On April 11, 2021, at 10:40 PM, Stephen Dolezal <sdolezal04@...> wrote:

I’d love to get a PFE 50 footer if F&C could be convinced.   Missed my chance with Sunshine’s car years ago!

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: PRR X29B

Mike Clements
 

Yes, the X29b and d models on that page had their captions swapped. Thanks.
--
Mike Clements
Wakefield, MA
nyc65.wordpress.com


Re: Photo: Loading Oranges

Matthew Hurst
 

Stephen,

I believe you'd have better luck with a Westerfield PFE R70-1 or a PSC brass one... They do show up from time to time on Brasstrains.com and eBay.

Regards,

Matthew Hurst
PRRT&HS #6799
PRRT&HS modeling committee

On April 11, 2021, at 10:40 PM, Stephen Dolezal <sdolezal04@...> wrote:

I’d love to get a PFE 50 footer if F&C could be convinced. Missed my chance with Sunshine’s car years ago!


Re: A NYC 40ft steel box and NH 168569 ds box in Auburn ME ca 1930

Mark Rossiter
 

A real plethora of chalk markings on the NYC car!

 

Mark Rossiter

 


Re: PRR X29B

pennsylvania1954
 

Hi Mike--Are you sure about Greg Martin's car having a Murphy panel roof? Here is a photo of his car.

http://prr.railfan.net/freight/modeling/freightmodelphotos.html?photo=21_19.JPG&fr=clX29

There has been no evidence that any PRR X29b's had anything other than a diagonal panel roof.

Two crossbearers under the doors is correct.

The PRRT&HS e-magazine The Keystone Modeler back in August 2006 had an article about a simple Branchline shell/Red Caboose underframe kitbash. Please contact me offlist at stevehprr"at"cox"dot"net if you want additional info.
--
Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


Steam Era Freight Car fleet development

greg kennelly
 

To assist in the tracking the development of a specific freight car fleet, would anyone be able to provide a scanned copy of the Pacific Great Eastern Railway entry from the April 1947 ORER, please?  I have a number of scanned copies covering different periods from 1917 to 1954 and am hoping to determine the approximate time frame for certain cars arriving on the railway.  In some cases, there were differences from one issue to the next while in other cases, there was no change for several issues.  From 1926 - 1952, the railway did not list dimensions of individual cars, and provided only a "recapitulation of car equipment".

Thanks for any assistance.

Greg Kennelly


Re: PFE Reefer in NYC Express Train

Tim O'Connor
 


The PFE cars were built by ACF (200) and GA (100). There are a number of differences
between them and the 'generic' plastic models although the plastic foobies probably would be
acceptable to most of the buyers - Just as Rapido sells all kinds of foobie passenger cars now
and they seem to sell like hotcakes. The PFE reefers were imported in HO brass, twice. One
by Metro models and the others (original and rebuilt) by Challenger.


On 4/11/2021 9:15 PM, Steve SANDIFER wrote:

Is this the car:

http://old.atsfrr.org/Reviews/HO/Foreign/GACXExpReef/Index.htm

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mopacfirst
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 7:10 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PFE Reefer in NYC Express Train

 

I watch the Sunshine items closely.  I think the express reefers suffer from a double whammy, one being the most significant issue, that this prototype was later done in plastic, by Walthers and maybe others.  The other issue with these wood-side express reefers being that they were issued with lettering for a number of roads who only owned them, and maybe only owned a small number, for a short time.  There are a number of other Sunshine releases that were later done in plastic, sometimes only a couple years after the Sunshine release, which effectively torpedoed the sales of the resin kit.

Ron Merrick


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Oranges

mel perry
 

all:
never mind, my bad, don't ever trust cell
screens, TREES, AUGH
;-(

On Sun, Apr 11, 2021, 8:19 PM mel perry via groups.io <clipper841=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
bruce:
air has visible crinkles and wrinkles?
;-)

On Sun, Apr 11, 2021, 7:26 PM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
Mel.

Air? 😉

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of mel perry <clipper841@...>
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 9:01 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Oranges
 
what is on top of the car roof?
;-)

On Sun, Apr 11, 2021, 6:40 PM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
Mel,

HUH? "Aluminum foil"??? Are you talking about the metal roof? If so, it is neither aluminum, nor foil.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of mel perry <clipper841@...>
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 6:54 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Oranges
 
CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.
aluminum foil on top of the roof, outside


On Sun, Apr 11, 2021, 1:24 PM Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Where do you see “sheet foil?”

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mel perry
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 1:49 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Oranges

 

bob: 

any explanation for the sheet foil on top of the car?

thanks

;-)


Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Oranges

mel perry
 

bruce:
air has visible crinkles and wrinkles?
;-)

On Sun, Apr 11, 2021, 7:26 PM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
Mel.

Air? 😉

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of mel perry <clipper841@...>
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 9:01 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Oranges
 
what is on top of the car roof?
;-)

On Sun, Apr 11, 2021, 6:40 PM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
Mel,

HUH? "Aluminum foil"??? Are you talking about the metal roof? If so, it is neither aluminum, nor foil.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of mel perry <clipper841@...>
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 6:54 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Oranges
 
CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.
aluminum foil on top of the roof, outside


On Sun, Apr 11, 2021, 1:24 PM Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Where do you see “sheet foil?”

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mel perry
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 1:49 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Oranges

 

bob: 

any explanation for the sheet foil on top of the car?

thanks

;-)


Re: Photo: Loading Oranges

Stephen Dolezal
 

I’d love to get a PFE 50 footer if F&C could be convinced. Missed my chance with Sunshine’s car years ago!


Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Oranges

Bruce Smith
 

Mel.

Air? 😉

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of mel perry <clipper841@...>
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 9:01 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Oranges
 
what is on top of the car roof?
;-)

On Sun, Apr 11, 2021, 6:40 PM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
Mel,

HUH? "Aluminum foil"??? Are you talking about the metal roof? If so, it is neither aluminum, nor foil.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of mel perry <clipper841@...>
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 6:54 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Oranges
 
CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.
aluminum foil on top of the roof, outside


On Sun, Apr 11, 2021, 1:24 PM Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Where do you see “sheet foil?”

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mel perry
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 1:49 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Oranges

 

bob: 

any explanation for the sheet foil on top of the car?

thanks

;-)


Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Oranges

mel perry
 

what is on top of the car roof?
;-)

On Sun, Apr 11, 2021, 6:40 PM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
Mel,

HUH? "Aluminum foil"??? Are you talking about the metal roof? If so, it is neither aluminum, nor foil.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of mel perry <clipper841@...>
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 6:54 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Oranges
 
CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.
aluminum foil on top of the roof, outside


On Sun, Apr 11, 2021, 1:24 PM Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Where do you see “sheet foil?”

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mel perry
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 1:49 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Oranges

 

bob: 

any explanation for the sheet foil on top of the car?

thanks

;-)


Re: PRR X29B

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Try the Ben Hom articles. 

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: "Mike Clements via groups.io" <mbclements@...>
Date: 4/11/21 2:12 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] PRR X29B

I was reading the two part series on the X29B from the 11-12/92 issues of Mainline Modeler. There are a couple of discrepancies between the two articles. In the first Greg Martin went the extra mile to model the car with a Murphy roof while the plans in Martin Lofton's follow up show diagonal panel. I would think that given the 1948-50 build period that the roof changed halfway through, do we know the numbers? Second, Greg Martin's model was built with four heavy crossbearers, while the plans show just two (the two that Greg installed at the edges of the door weren't there). Which is correct? 

Mike Clements
Wakefield, MA
nyc65.wordpress.com


Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Oranges

Bruce Smith
 

Mel,

HUH? "Aluminum foil"??? Are you talking about the metal roof? If so, it is neither aluminum, nor foil.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of mel perry <clipper841@...>
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 6:54 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Oranges
 
CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.
aluminum foil on top of the roof, outside


On Sun, Apr 11, 2021, 1:24 PM Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Where do you see “sheet foil?”

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mel perry
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 1:49 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Oranges

 

bob: 

any explanation for the sheet foil on top of the car?

thanks

;-)


Re: PFE Reefer in NYC Express Train

Steve SANDIFER
 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mopacfirst
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 7:10 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PFE Reefer in NYC Express Train

 

I watch the Sunshine items closely.  I think the express reefers suffer from a double whammy, one being the most significant issue, that this prototype was later done in plastic, by Walthers and maybe others.  The other issue with these wood-side express reefers being that they were issued with lettering for a number of roads who only owned them, and maybe only owned a small number, for a short time.  There are a number of other Sunshine releases that were later done in plastic, sometimes only a couple years after the Sunshine release, which effectively torpedoed the sales of the resin kit.

Ron Merrick


Re: PFE Reefer in NYC Express Train

kevinhlafferty
 

I had also noticed that the Sunshine express reefer kits don't do well on eBay but I had always assumed it was due to the availability of reasonable quality plastic models; specifically Branchline/Atlas for the welded cars and both Walthers and BLI for the wood cars. I think the lack of availability of an accurate plastic kit/assembled model would justify the effort required in producing a kit (i.e. sales). I think an F&C or Resin Car Works or Speedwitch kit is a great idea and I would definitely be in the market for at least 1.

Kevin Lafferty 


Re: PFE Reefer in NYC Express Train

Tim O'Connor
 


Unfortunately Martin chose the prototypes - General American wood sheathed and the
later all steel cars - that both became excellent mass market plastic models. Prices for
brass models of GN steel express box cars and express reefers have held up rather well
I think because they are distinctive and there is no plastic alternative.

How is the old passenger car market doing anyway? I saw an article on a huge uptick
for Marklin train set sales in 2020... I wonder if anything like that happened here.

Tim O'Connor


On 4/11/2021 7:09 PM, Tom Madden via groups.io wrote:
On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 09:49 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Maybe we should bug Steve Funaro for a resin kit. :-) These PFE BR-1 express reefers enjoyed long
careers from the 1920's to 1960 and perhaps later. And they travelled all over.
On the secondary market, the Sunshine kits that do the worst are the express reefers. I guess freight car folks think of them as passenger cars, and there aren't enough passenger car modelers to pick up the slack. 

Tom Madden

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Image of CN 3903 36ft ss box Portland ME 1924

Marc Simpson
 

I think that part of the CN car number must not be visible, CN didn't roster any boxcars with a number series that low.  If you squint hard enough you can see a bit of paint between the end verticals that might indicate the car series was in the 3XXXXX or 4XXXXX series which had single sheath boxcars in those number series.  

http://nakina.net/cn/cn4.html is my "go to" for CN and CP freight car data.  

--
Marc Simpson


PRR X29B

Mike Clements
 

I was reading the two part series on the X29B from the 11-12/92 issues of Mainline Modeler. There are a couple of discrepancies between the two articles. In the first Greg Martin went the extra mile to model the car with a Murphy roof while the plans in Martin Lofton's follow up show diagonal panel. I would think that given the 1948-50 build period that the roof changed halfway through, do we know the numbers? Second, Greg Martin's model was built with four heavy crossbearers, while the plans show just two (the two that Greg installed at the edges of the door weren't there). Which is correct? 

Mike Clements
Wakefield, MA
nyc65.wordpress.com

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