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Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Image of CN 3903 36ft ss box Portland ME 1924

Bruce Smith
 

Schuyler,

Read it again 😉  Dave clearly indicates that he knows that New England are is composed of six states (CT, RI, VT, NH, MA, ME) and that the baby standards from other states (Indiana, NJ/PA/De) had a presence in those six states.

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io" <schuyler.larrabee@...>
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Date: Monday, April 12, 2021 at 12:26 PM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Image of CN 3903 36ft ss box Portland ME 1924

 

CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.

Dave Parker wrote:

 

Which is not to say that other "baby standards" weren't present in New England, they were.  Specifically, Indiana (Amoco), New Jersey (Esso), and Atlantic (the PA and DE territory)

 

Dave. I realize you’re in CA, but “New England” has a western boundary at the New York State Line.  Indiana (not even close), New Jersey, PA and DE are decidedly not in New England.

 

New York is sometimes a “wanna be,” but as a New York Native, I know it’s not.

 

Schuyler (grew up in Binghamton, now living in Newton MA)

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Parker via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 7:33 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Image of CN 3903 36ft ss box Portland ME 1924

 

As Ben indicated, the six New England states plus NY comprised the marketing territory assigned to SOCONY after the 1911 breakup.

Which is not to say that other "baby standards" weren't present in New England, they were.  Specifically, Indiana (Amoco), New Jersey (Esso), and Atlantic (the PA and DE territory)

Likewise, SOCONY, under various guises (Mobilgas, Lubrite, Magnolia, others), was able to market in areas initially assigned to other baby standards.

This crossing of territorial boundaries was most often accomplished by buying up smaller local/regional refineries.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


PRR X29B and X29D

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Here’s the “cheat sheet” for what you need on your X29B or X29D:

 

6

X29B

27513

27554

27663

 

27901

 

28123

28460

 

28647

28730

29412

29646

30001

30012

30036

30613

30689

 

30753

30814

30949

30998

Sunshine

Vol 2 p.34

Burg

 

Burg

 

Bob

Lane

 

Vol 2 p.34

Vol 3 p.51

CWinters

RPC26

Suns - Burg

Vol 2 p.34

Burg

Vol 3 p.52

Vol 3 p.51

 

RPC26

Vol 2 p.34

Bob

Vol 1 p.71

SK Calendar; ? RB; Ajax brakes

CK; Apex RB; ? brakes

PK; Universal brakes; reinforced sidesill

SK Calendar P712-6-54; unknown brakes

SK;; ptd 8/54; Morton r/b;

CK new 3/51; +end pic) Apex RB; Ureco brakes

SK;

CK; Ureco brakes

SK1a calendar 7/54; ?RB; ?brakes

SK; calendar; 1954

CK; Apex RB; Ureco brakes

SK

PK; Ureco brakes; reinforced sidesill

PK

SK calendar; Apex RB; Klasing?? brakes

CK; Klasing brake

MS1; Apex r/b; Ureco? ; >3/57

MS1; Apex r/b; post 4/61

Sunshine; Funaro & Camerlengo; Branchline 40-foot 7-foot door  w/new u/f and side sills

 

 

 

 

4

X29D

23635

 

23901

 

23960

23963

 

24018

 

24083

 

24085

24086

24115

24166

 

24255

 

24270

24352

 

24359

24361

 

24733

25146

 

255xx?

26194

 

26247

E20851

 

unk

 

Bob

unk

 

Vol 2 p.36

 

Bob

 

Bob

CFC/Bob v.1p.31

Vol 3 p.52

 

JSands/Bob

 

Vol 3 p.52

Vol 1 p.73

 

Vol 1 p.76

CFC 7 p.51

 

M.Bernard

Unk

 

E20943-

PRR StmYr2

E21325

Hagley

SK; new rblt; Apex RB/Ajax brakes; low door boards; 6/55

SK; ? RB/? Brakes; low door boards; >7/55

SK; “Don’t..” slogan – white? Lo bds

SK; “Don’t..” slogan; ?/?RB;? brakes mid-60s low dr&end bds

SK; White “Don’t..” slogan; no paint roof/Apex RB; Klasing?

SK; White “Don’t..” slogan; ?RB low dr board; 8/55

SK; “Don’t..” slogan; ?color; lo bds

SK; Yellow “Don’t..” slogan; 8/55

SK; Yellow “Don’t..” slogan

SK; White “Don’t slogan; ?rb/Klasing brake low boards rblt; 8/55

SK; White “Don’t…” slogan; Apex RB low boards; Klasing brake; 8/55

SK; White “Don’t…” slogan

SK; White “Don’t…” slogan; Ajax brake

SK; White “Don’t…” slogan

SK; White “Don’t…” slogan low boards 1963

SK no slogan low boards rblt 9/55

SK no slogan low boards; rblt 10/55; Apex; Universal Brake;late IDE

CK; early IDE, but bad photo; p.64

SK; hi boards!; “blt 8/24” added racks 10/57 for Grand Rapids

CK; hi boards; rolling pin IDE, Apex; Ajax 2/60+

Branchline 40-foot 7-foot door  w/new u/f and side sills;

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

24166 with Klasing Brake

 

Elden Gatwood


Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Oranges

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thanks, Bruce, I spent about five minutes this morning at full zoom in trying to figure out what “foil” Mel was seeing. 

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mel perry
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 11:25 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Oranges

 

all:

never mind, my bad, don't ever trust cell

screens, TREES, AUGH

;-(

 

On Sun, Apr 11, 2021, 8:19 PM mel perry via groups.io <clipper841=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

bruce:

air has visible crinkles and wrinkles?

;-)

 

On Sun, Apr 11, 2021, 7:26 PM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Mel.

 

Air? 😉

 

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of mel perry <clipper841@...>
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 9:01 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Oranges

 

what is on top of the car roof?

;-)

 

On Sun, Apr 11, 2021, 6:40 PM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Mel,

 

HUH? "Aluminum foil"??? Are you talking about the metal roof? If so, it is neither aluminum, nor foil.

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of mel perry <clipper841@...>
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 6:54 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Oranges

 

CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.

aluminum foil on top of the roof, outside

 

 

On Sun, Apr 11, 2021, 1:24 PM Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Where do you see “sheet foil?”

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mel perry
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 1:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Oranges

 

bob: 

any explanation for the sheet foil on top of the car?

thanks

;-)


Re: Image of CN 3903 36ft ss box Portland ME 1924

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Dave Parker wrote:

 

Which is not to say that other "baby standards" weren't present in New England, they were.  Specifically, Indiana (Amoco), New Jersey (Esso), and Atlantic (the PA and DE territory)

 

Dave. I realize you’re in CA, but “New England” has a western boundary at the New York State Line.  Indiana (not even close), New Jersey, PA and DE are decidedly not in New England.

 

New York is sometimes a “wanna be,” but as a New York Native, I know it’s not.

 

Schuyler (grew up in Binghamton, now living in Newton MA)

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Parker via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 7:33 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Image of CN 3903 36ft ss box Portland ME 1924

 

As Ben indicated, the six New England states plus NY comprised the marketing territory assigned to SOCONY after the 1911 breakup.

Which is not to say that other "baby standards" weren't present in New England, they were.  Specifically, Indiana (Amoco), New Jersey (Esso), and Atlantic (the PA and DE territory)

Likewise, SOCONY, under various guises (Mobilgas, Lubrite, Magnolia, others), was able to market in areas initially assigned to other baby standards.

This crossing of territorial boundaries was most often accomplished by buying up smaller local/regional refineries.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] PRR X29B

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Mike;

 

The X29B all had the simple diagonal panel roof with no overhang.  They also had the original X29 crossbearer arrangement, and revised AB brake arrangement shown on the attached.

 

Do you need brake equipment?

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Clements via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 8:12 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] PRR X29B

 

I was reading the two part series on the X29B from the 11-12/92 issues of Mainline Modeler. There are a couple of discrepancies between the two articles. In the first Greg Martin went the extra mile to model the car with a Murphy roof while the plans in Martin Lofton's follow up show diagonal panel. I would think that given the 1948-50 build period that the roof changed halfway through, do we know the numbers? Second, Greg Martin's model was built with four heavy crossbearers, while the plans show just two (the two that Greg installed at the edges of the door weren't there). Which is correct? 

Mike Clements
Wakefield, MA
nyc65.wordpress.com


Re: MEC 2471 drop bottom gon partial view Fairfield ME

Dave Parker
 

The fact that it has CAPY, LD LMT, and LT WT stencils dates it to at least 1925, if not a few years later.

I think whoever indexed the photo was misled by the horse-drawn cart.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


CRP 61197 twin hopper Portland ME Randall and McAllister Coal Co undated

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
CRP 61197 twin hopper Portland ME Randall and McAllister Coal Co undated
 
I believe that CRP (Central Railroad of Pennsylvania) did not exist as a corporate entity until the 1930s, and the caption sez the coal dealer was "destroyed by the fire of 1947", so we have some brackets for the date.
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


MEC 2961 twin side dump hopper Portland ME 1924

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
MEC 2961 twin side dump hopper Portland ME 1924
 
I'm left wondering what the industry/customer site is - coal dealership? Power plant? Something else?
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: PFE Express Reefer in NYC Express Train

bill stanton
 

were these express reefers iced along with ordinary reefers or were they handled separately?


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tony Thompson <tony@...>
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 2:29 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PFE Express Reefer in NYC Express Train
 
Tim O'Connor wrote:

There were 300 of these PFE express reefers. You can be sure they were
seen in most states at times of the year. Express reefers could be returned in
freight trains with less-perishable loads or carried in freights in the off season.

    Very true, Tim, and in addition, PFE was a participant in the Railway Express pool, so that cars were moved where needed under REA direction. They really could be seen anywhere.

Tony Thompson




MEC 35420 40ft ss box in wreck 1937 Hallowell ME

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
MEC 35420 40ft ss box in wreck 1937 Hallowell ME
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


MEC 2471 drop bottom gon partial view Fairfield ME

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
MEC 2471 drop bottom gon partial view Fairfield ME - captioned with a date of "ca. 1900" but I would suspect it might be a decade or two more recent than that.
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR X29B

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Guys;

 

Early on, Greg himself was confused about roof types on different classes.  We had a series of discussions and photo swaps and such, until we had hashed out most of the details.

 

You all know the story now.  The answer is X29B had only a simple diagonal panel roof; X29D had the overhanging diagonal panel roof.

 

If you want additional details, I will dig that data back up.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of pennsylvania1954
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 12:25 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR X29B

 

Hi Mike--Are you sure about Greg Martin's car having a Murphy panel roof? Here is a photo of his car.

http://prr.railfan.net/freight/modeling/freightmodelphotos.html?photo=21_19.JPG&fr=clX29

There has been no evidence that any PRR X29b's had anything other than a diagonal panel roof.

Two crossbearers under the doors is correct.

The PRRT&HS e-magazine The Keystone Modeler back in August 2006 had an article about a simple Branchline shell/Red Caboose underframe kitbash. Please contact me offlist at stevehprr"at"cox"dot"net if you want additional info.
--
Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


Re: Photo: Loading Oranges

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Tim,
 
I have more than 20 Sunshine PFE reefer kits of most of their different car types, and I always thought they have been very well researched and are accurate. Which of their PFE kits is not correct, and to what degree? Possible to correct it?
(And do you have a date of that nice color photo?)
 
Many thanks and greetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1954
 
Gesendet: Montag, 12. April 2021 um 14:20 Uhr
Von: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Oranges

Matthew is right.

The Westerfield R-50-x model is dimensionally correct. The Sunshine model is not.

Tim O'Connor


On 4/12/2021 7:39 AM, Matthew Hurst wrote:
Stephen,

I believe you'd have better luck with a Westerfield PFE R70-1 or a PSC brass one... They do show up from time to time on Brasstrains.com and eBay.

Regards,

Matthew Hurst
PRRT&HS #6799
PRRT&HS modeling committee

On April 11, 2021, at 10:40 PM, Stephen Dolezal <sdolezal04@...> wrote:

I’d love to get a PFE 50 footer if F&C could be convinced.   Missed my chance with Sunshine’s car years ago!

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Loading Oranges

Tim O'Connor
 


Matthew is right.

The Westerfield R-50-x model is dimensionally correct. The Sunshine model is not.

Tim O'Connor


On 4/12/2021 7:39 AM, Matthew Hurst wrote:
Stephen,

I believe you'd have better luck with a Westerfield PFE R70-1 or a PSC brass one... They do show up from time to time on Brasstrains.com and eBay.

Regards,

Matthew Hurst
PRRT&HS #6799
PRRT&HS modeling committee

On April 11, 2021, at 10:40 PM, Stephen Dolezal <sdolezal04@...> wrote:

I’d love to get a PFE 50 footer if F&C could be convinced.   Missed my chance with Sunshine’s car years ago!

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: PRR X29B

Mike Clements
 

Yes, the X29b and d models on that page had their captions swapped. Thanks.
--
Mike Clements
Wakefield, MA
nyc65.wordpress.com


Re: Photo: Loading Oranges

Matthew Hurst
 

Stephen,

I believe you'd have better luck with a Westerfield PFE R70-1 or a PSC brass one... They do show up from time to time on Brasstrains.com and eBay.

Regards,

Matthew Hurst
PRRT&HS #6799
PRRT&HS modeling committee

On April 11, 2021, at 10:40 PM, Stephen Dolezal <sdolezal04@gmail.com> wrote:

I’d love to get a PFE 50 footer if F&C could be convinced. Missed my chance with Sunshine’s car years ago!


Re: A NYC 40ft steel box and NH 168569 ds box in Auburn ME ca 1930

Mark Rossiter
 

A real plethora of chalk markings on the NYC car!

 

Mark Rossiter

 


Re: PRR X29B

pennsylvania1954
 

Hi Mike--Are you sure about Greg Martin's car having a Murphy panel roof? Here is a photo of his car.

http://prr.railfan.net/freight/modeling/freightmodelphotos.html?photo=21_19.JPG&fr=clX29

There has been no evidence that any PRR X29b's had anything other than a diagonal panel roof.

Two crossbearers under the doors is correct.

The PRRT&HS e-magazine The Keystone Modeler back in August 2006 had an article about a simple Branchline shell/Red Caboose underframe kitbash. Please contact me offlist at stevehprr"at"cox"dot"net if you want additional info.
--
Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


Steam Era Freight Car fleet development

greg kennelly
 

To assist in the tracking the development of a specific freight car fleet, would anyone be able to provide a scanned copy of the Pacific Great Eastern Railway entry from the April 1947 ORER, please?  I have a number of scanned copies covering different periods from 1917 to 1954 and am hoping to determine the approximate time frame for certain cars arriving on the railway.  In some cases, there were differences from one issue to the next while in other cases, there was no change for several issues.  From 1926 - 1952, the railway did not list dimensions of individual cars, and provided only a "recapitulation of car equipment".

Thanks for any assistance.

Greg Kennelly


Re: PFE Reefer in NYC Express Train

Tim O'Connor
 


The PFE cars were built by ACF (200) and GA (100). There are a number of differences
between them and the 'generic' plastic models although the plastic foobies probably would be
acceptable to most of the buyers - Just as Rapido sells all kinds of foobie passenger cars now
and they seem to sell like hotcakes. The PFE reefers were imported in HO brass, twice. One
by Metro models and the others (original and rebuilt) by Challenger.


On 4/11/2021 9:15 PM, Steve SANDIFER wrote:

Is this the car:

http://old.atsfrr.org/Reviews/HO/Foreign/GACXExpReef/Index.htm

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mopacfirst
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 7:10 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PFE Reefer in NYC Express Train

 

I watch the Sunshine items closely.  I think the express reefers suffer from a double whammy, one being the most significant issue, that this prototype was later done in plastic, by Walthers and maybe others.  The other issue with these wood-side express reefers being that they were issued with lettering for a number of roads who only owned them, and maybe only owned a small number, for a short time.  There are a number of other Sunshine releases that were later done in plastic, sometimes only a couple years after the Sunshine release, which effectively torpedoed the sales of the resin kit.

Ron Merrick


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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