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Re: the word TARMAC in stylized fashion is discernable

Philip Dove
 

In The UK tarmac also had products called Tar... 




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From: "Claus Schlund \(HGM\)" <claus@...>
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021, 23:43
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] the word TARMAC in stylized fashion is discernable
Hi List Members,
 
The lettering on this tank car is a bit hard to make out, but the word TARMAC in stylized fashion is discernable. I will note that cars belongs to The Barrett Company with reporting marks BMX have a similar inscription, but the ones I have seen have the word TARVIA. Any relation?
 
Tank car Standish ME ca 1935
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: HOn3 D&RGW caboose

gary laakso
 

The PFM catalogue pictures show truss rods and two trucks on the caboose.  The 9th Edition does not have a reference to the date of its issuance but likely 1965-66. 

 

Gary Laakso

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 12:41 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] HOn3 D&RGW caboose

 

That helps, Gary.  What year is the 9th edition?

 

In response to Todd, the label (yes, on the bottom there was something over it) doesn’t say PFM, it simply says United

Scale Models

And at the bottom

Tokyo Japan

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of gary laakso
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 3:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] HOn3 D&RGW caboose

 

The PFE 1963 catalogue (8th Edition) shows two windows on the side on the smoke stack side.   The same caboose with the dual windows on the smokestack side is shown in the 7th Edition catalogue.  The 9th edition catalogue shows two windows on the non-smoke stack side.

 

Gary Laakso

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Todd Sullivan via groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 12:17 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] HOn3 D&RGW caboose

 

Schuyler,

I don't want to tout the obvious, but the PFM label on the caboose (the bottom, I assume) identifies it as a PFM product, and it definitely has the appearance of a D&RGW narrow gauge caboose with 4 wheel trucks.I'm not sufficiently conversant with Rio Grande ng cabooses to be able to suggest a number or series, but there are photos on Google that show several of these short cabooses with numbers in the 0500 series.

Todd Sullivan


Re: HOn3 D&RGW caboose

Brian Shumaker
 

Star brand paint, a P-B-L exclusive, is a lacquer and should only be thinned with Star Brand Lacquer Thinner. The multi-paint layer weathering technique using fiberglass and wire brushes is unique.
Full disclosure, I'm a semi closeted Sn3 modeler and loyal P-B-L customer and heartily recommend them. Check them out.

Brian Shumaker


Re: HOn3 D&RGW caboose

Schuyler Larrabee
 

That helps, Gary.  What year is the 9th edition?

 

In response to Todd, the label (yes, on the bottom there was something over it) doesn’t say PFM, it simply says United

Scale Models

And at the bottom

Tokyo Japan

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of gary laakso
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 3:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] HOn3 D&RGW caboose

 

The PFE 1963 catalogue (8th Edition) shows two windows on the side on the smoke stack side.   The same caboose with the dual windows on the smokestack side is shown in the 7th Edition catalogue.  The 9th edition catalogue shows two windows on the non-smoke stack side.

 

Gary Laakso

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Todd Sullivan via groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 12:17 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] HOn3 D&RGW caboose

 

Schuyler,

I don't want to tout the obvious, but the PFM label on the caboose (the bottom, I assume) identifies it as a PFM product, and it definitely has the appearance of a D&RGW narrow gauge caboose with 4 wheel trucks.I'm not sufficiently conversant with Rio Grande ng cabooses to be able to suggest a number or series, but there are photos on Google that show several of these short cabooses with numbers in the 0500 series.

Todd Sullivan


Re: HOn3 D&RGW caboose

gary laakso
 

Yes, too many years with SPT.

 

Gary Laakso

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 12:30 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] HOn3 D&RGW caboose

 

gary laakso wrote:



The PFE 1963 catalogue  . . .

 

I assume Gary means PFM?

 

Tony Thompson

 

 

 


Re: Image of CN 3903 36ft ss box Portland ME 1924

Todd Sullivan
 

Hi Schuyler,

I think Dave's and Bruce's points were that NY State was 'home turf' for SOCONY (Std Oil Company of NY), but other 'baby Standard Oil' brand service stations and dealers were found in NYS: Amoco, Esso, Atlantic, etc.  That rings true according to my memories.

Todd Sullivan


Re: HOn3 D&RGW caboose

Tony Thompson
 

gary laakso wrote:

The PFE 1963 catalogue  . . .

I assume Gary means PFM?

Tony Thompson




Re: HOn3 D&RGW caboose

gary laakso
 

The PFE 1963 catalogue (8th Edition) shows two windows on the side on the smoke stack side.   The same caboose with the dual windows on the smokestack side is shown in the 7th Edition catalogue.  The 9th edition catalogue shows two windows on the non-smoke stack side.

 

Gary Laakso

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Todd Sullivan via groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 12:17 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] HOn3 D&RGW caboose

 

Schuyler,

I don't want to tout the obvious, but the PFM label on the caboose (the bottom, I assume) identifies it as a PFM product, and it definitely has the appearance of a D&RGW narrow gauge caboose with 4 wheel trucks.I'm not sufficiently conversant with Rio Grande ng cabooses to be able to suggest a number or series, but there are photos on Google that show several of these short cabooses with numbers in the 0500 series.

Todd Sullivan


Re: HOn3 D&RGW caboose

Todd Sullivan
 

Schuyler,

I don't want to tout the obvious, but the PFM label on the caboose (the bottom, I assume) identifies it as a PFM product, and it definitely has the appearance of a D&RGW narrow gauge caboose with 4 wheel trucks.I'm not sufficiently conversant with Rio Grande ng cabooses to be able to suggest a number or series, but there are photos on Google that show several of these short cabooses with numbers in the 0500 series.

Todd Sullivan


Re: HOn3 D&RGW caboose (amended)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

On further inspection I have uncovered a sticker that says it’s a United model.  But I am still curious about the vintage.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 2:18 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] HOn3 D&RGW caboose

 

I am going to be painting the attached caboose model for a friend.  I have three questions:

 

  1. Can anyone identify this model?  Original date of manufacture?  Importer? Maker?  The box shown with the caboose is evidently the original box, based on the “packing” being the same or very similar to the packing I’ve seen in Max Gray models I’ve bought in original packaging.  There are no markings on the model or on or in the box, other than the pencil notation on the end of the cover.  It’s a very nice model, very well built and seems to be accurate.
  2. The owner of the model has requested I paint it using P-B-L “Rio Grande Freight Car Color.”  If I am not mistaken, that is an acrylic paint, and I am very much disinclined to use an acrylic paint (N.B.: don’t bother to try to tell me that they are easy to use, just as good, clearly the right color or any of that.  Maybe they are in the right hands, but based on my experiences, my hands are not the right hands.  I stick to lacquers, period.)  So are there recommendations among all the experts on this list for a good color in a lacquer paint?  Preferably Scalecoat?
  3. Decals?

 

TIA

 

Schuyler


Re: MEC 35420 40ft ss box in wreck 1937 Hallowell ME

Jack Mullen
 

But wait, there's more!
MEC 5898, ARA 40' box, with a nice view underneath.

Jack Mullen


Re: Image of CN 3903 36ft ss box Portland ME 1924

D. Scott Chatfield
 

What he was refering to is Amoco was Standard of Indiana, Esso was Standard of New Jersey, etc.

Scott Chatfield


Re: HOn3 D&RGW caboose

Tony Thompson
 

Joe Binish wrote:

If the paint is Star Brand it is not an acrylic.  I have used it and it is closer to Trucolor or Accupaint.  Awesome stuff

    Joe is exactly right on all counts. Star Brand is excellent paint.

Tony Thompson




Re: HOn3 D&RGW caboose

Joseph
 

If the paint is Star Brand it is not an acrylic.  I have used it and it is closer to Trucolor or Accupaint.  Awesome stuff
Joe Binish

On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 1:18 PM Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

I am going to be painting the attached caboose model for a friend.  I have three questions:

 

  1. Can anyone identify this model?  Original date of manufacture?  Importer? Maker?  The box shown with the caboose is evidently the original box, based on the “packing” being the same or very similar to the packing I’ve seen in Max Gray models I’ve bought in original packaging.  There are no markings on the model or on or in the box, other than the pencil notation on the end of the cover.  It’s a very nice model, very well built and seems to be accurate.

  2. The owner of the model has requested I paint it using P-B-L “Rio Grande Freight Car Color.”  If I am not mistaken, that is an acrylic paint, and I am very much disinclined to use an acrylic paint (N.B.: don’t bother to try to tell me that they are easy to use, just as good, clearly the right color or any of that.  Maybe they are in the right hands, but based on my experiences, my hands are not the right hands.  I stick to lacquers, period.)  So are there recommendations among all the experts on this list for a good color in a lacquer paint?  Preferably Scalecoat?

  3. Decals?

 

TIA

 

Schuyler


HOn3 D&RGW caboose

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I am going to be painting the attached caboose model for a friend.  I have three questions:

 

  1. Can anyone identify this model?  Original date of manufacture?  Importer? Maker?  The box shown with the caboose is evidently the original box, based on the “packing” being the same or very similar to the packing I’ve seen in Max Gray models I’ve bought in original packaging.  There are no markings on the model or on or in the box, other than the pencil notation on the end of the cover.  It’s a very nice model, very well built and seems to be accurate.

  2. The owner of the model has requested I paint it using P-B-L “Rio Grande Freight Car Color.”  If I am not mistaken, that is an acrylic paint, and I am very much disinclined to use an acrylic paint (N.B.: don’t bother to try to tell me that they are easy to use, just as good, clearly the right color or any of that.  Maybe they are in the right hands, but based on my experiences, my hands are not the right hands.  I stick to lacquers, period.)  So are there recommendations among all the experts on this list for a good color in a lacquer paint?  Preferably Scalecoat?

  3. Decals?

 

TIA

 

Schuyler


Re: CRP 61197 twin hopper Portland ME Randall and McAllister Coal Co undated

Tony Thompson
 

Claus Schlund wrote:

CRP 61197 twin hopper Portland ME Randall and McAllister Coal Co undated
 
I believe that CRP (Central Railroad of Pennsylvania) did not exist as a corporate entity until the 1930s, and the caption sez the coal dealer was "destroyed by the fire of 1947", so we have some brackets for the date.

Actually, the CRP was organized in 1946, so we have a REALLY small bracket.

Tony Thompson




Re: PFE Express Reefer in NYC Express Train

Tony Thompson
 

bill stanton wrote:

were these express reefers iced along with ordinary reefers or were they handled separately?

Yes. By which I mean, it depended. 

Tony Thompson




Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Image of CN 3903 36ft ss box Portland ME 1924

Bruce Smith
 

Schuyler,

Read it again 😉  Dave clearly indicates that he knows that New England are is composed of six states (CT, RI, VT, NH, MA, ME) and that the baby standards from other states (Indiana, NJ/PA/De) had a presence in those six states.

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io" <schuyler.larrabee@...>
Reply-To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Monday, April 12, 2021 at 12:26 PM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Image of CN 3903 36ft ss box Portland ME 1924

 

CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.

Dave Parker wrote:

 

Which is not to say that other "baby standards" weren't present in New England, they were.  Specifically, Indiana (Amoco), New Jersey (Esso), and Atlantic (the PA and DE territory)

 

Dave. I realize you’re in CA, but “New England” has a western boundary at the New York State Line.  Indiana (not even close), New Jersey, PA and DE are decidedly not in New England.

 

New York is sometimes a “wanna be,” but as a New York Native, I know it’s not.

 

Schuyler (grew up in Binghamton, now living in Newton MA)

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Parker via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 7:33 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Image of CN 3903 36ft ss box Portland ME 1924

 

As Ben indicated, the six New England states plus NY comprised the marketing territory assigned to SOCONY after the 1911 breakup.

Which is not to say that other "baby standards" weren't present in New England, they were.  Specifically, Indiana (Amoco), New Jersey (Esso), and Atlantic (the PA and DE territory)

Likewise, SOCONY, under various guises (Mobilgas, Lubrite, Magnolia, others), was able to market in areas initially assigned to other baby standards.

This crossing of territorial boundaries was most often accomplished by buying up smaller local/regional refineries.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


PRR X29B and X29D

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Here’s the “cheat sheet” for what you need on your X29B or X29D:

 

6

X29B

27513

27554

27663

 

27901

 

28123

28460

 

28647

28730

29412

29646

30001

30012

30036

30613

30689

 

30753

30814

30949

30998

Sunshine

Vol 2 p.34

Burg

 

Burg

 

Bob

Lane

 

Vol 2 p.34

Vol 3 p.51

CWinters

RPC26

Suns - Burg

Vol 2 p.34

Burg

Vol 3 p.52

Vol 3 p.51

 

RPC26

Vol 2 p.34

Bob

Vol 1 p.71

SK Calendar; ? RB; Ajax brakes

CK; Apex RB; ? brakes

PK; Universal brakes; reinforced sidesill

SK Calendar P712-6-54; unknown brakes

SK;; ptd 8/54; Morton r/b;

CK new 3/51; +end pic) Apex RB; Ureco brakes

SK;

CK; Ureco brakes

SK1a calendar 7/54; ?RB; ?brakes

SK; calendar; 1954

CK; Apex RB; Ureco brakes

SK

PK; Ureco brakes; reinforced sidesill

PK

SK calendar; Apex RB; Klasing?? brakes

CK; Klasing brake

MS1; Apex r/b; Ureco? ; >3/57

MS1; Apex r/b; post 4/61

Sunshine; Funaro & Camerlengo; Branchline 40-foot 7-foot door  w/new u/f and side sills

 

 

 

 

4

X29D

23635

 

23901

 

23960

23963

 

24018

 

24083

 

24085

24086

24115

24166

 

24255

 

24270

24352

 

24359

24361

 

24733

25146

 

255xx?

26194

 

26247

E20851

 

unk

 

Bob

unk

 

Vol 2 p.36

 

Bob

 

Bob

CFC/Bob v.1p.31

Vol 3 p.52

 

JSands/Bob

 

Vol 3 p.52

Vol 1 p.73

 

Vol 1 p.76

CFC 7 p.51

 

M.Bernard

Unk

 

E20943-

PRR StmYr2

E21325

Hagley

SK; new rblt; Apex RB/Ajax brakes; low door boards; 6/55

SK; ? RB/? Brakes; low door boards; >7/55

SK; “Don’t..” slogan – white? Lo bds

SK; “Don’t..” slogan; ?/?RB;? brakes mid-60s low dr&end bds

SK; White “Don’t..” slogan; no paint roof/Apex RB; Klasing?

SK; White “Don’t..” slogan; ?RB low dr board; 8/55

SK; “Don’t..” slogan; ?color; lo bds

SK; Yellow “Don’t..” slogan; 8/55

SK; Yellow “Don’t..” slogan

SK; White “Don’t slogan; ?rb/Klasing brake low boards rblt; 8/55

SK; White “Don’t…” slogan; Apex RB low boards; Klasing brake; 8/55

SK; White “Don’t…” slogan

SK; White “Don’t…” slogan; Ajax brake

SK; White “Don’t…” slogan

SK; White “Don’t…” slogan low boards 1963

SK no slogan low boards rblt 9/55

SK no slogan low boards; rblt 10/55; Apex; Universal Brake;late IDE

CK; early IDE, but bad photo; p.64

SK; hi boards!; “blt 8/24” added racks 10/57 for Grand Rapids

CK; hi boards; rolling pin IDE, Apex; Ajax 2/60+

Branchline 40-foot 7-foot door  w/new u/f and side sills;

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

24166 with Klasing Brake

 

Elden Gatwood


Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Oranges

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thanks, Bruce, I spent about five minutes this morning at full zoom in trying to figure out what “foil” Mel was seeing. 

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mel perry
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 11:25 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Oranges

 

all:

never mind, my bad, don't ever trust cell

screens, TREES, AUGH

;-(

 

On Sun, Apr 11, 2021, 8:19 PM mel perry via groups.io <clipper841=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

bruce:

air has visible crinkles and wrinkles?

;-)

 

On Sun, Apr 11, 2021, 7:26 PM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Mel.

 

Air? 😉

 

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of mel perry <clipper841@...>
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 9:01 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Oranges

 

what is on top of the car roof?

;-)

 

On Sun, Apr 11, 2021, 6:40 PM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Mel,

 

HUH? "Aluminum foil"??? Are you talking about the metal roof? If so, it is neither aluminum, nor foil.

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of mel perry <clipper841@...>
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 6:54 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Oranges

 

CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.

aluminum foil on top of the roof, outside

 

 

On Sun, Apr 11, 2021, 1:24 PM Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Where do you see “sheet foil?”

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mel perry
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 1:49 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Oranges

 

bob: 

any explanation for the sheet foil on top of the car?

thanks

;-)

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