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Re: HOn3 D&RGW caboose (amended)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Mark!  Thanks for this find, that is the caboose, EXCEPT that the trucks are different.  The one in the linked images has outside hanger brakes, where as the trucks for the subject model do not.  I suspect that the trucks on the brasstrains.com guide page are replacements.  I can tell you that disassembling the caboose this morning convinced me that it has never been disassembled before.

 

It also appears that the person who painted that caboose removed the brass cast scale coupler pocket in favor of a Kadee box.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark Rossiter
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 5:06 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] HOn3 D&RGW caboose (amended)

 

There is an entry on the BrassTrains.com website that looks a lot like your model that indicates it was imported by PFM in 1964.  The detail on your model looks to be about that vintage.  Although this site claims the builder was Katsumi, I believe United may have utilized a number of builders to produce models under their name.  PFM was a heavy user of United.

 

https://www.brasstrains.com/BrassGuide/Pdg/Detail/27059/HOn3-Rolling-Stock-Caboose-Pacific-Fast-Mail-Denver-Rio-Grande-Western-CABOOSE

 

Mark Rossiter


Re: HOn3 D&RGW caboose

Schuyler Larrabee
 

From Brian Sones:

 

1) Car Ends -There is a rounded version and a Square (flush end)           Square ends - carbody

2) The bolster ends. -There is a Square and Rounded end                       None visible on the model

3) Copula windows -  Double window,  cross braces and none                 None

4) Copula window awnings - Double, single or none                                Single

5) Copula  Square or Angled sides                                                         Square

6) steps- straight or angled sides,.                                                         Straight

7) ladders Below roof straight or curved. Above roof curved.                    Below roof, curved at top

 

Incidentally the model has two brake cylinders (and no other underbody detailing, and has brass scale coupler pockets, leading to the question of how to affix a Kadee coupler (which I know the owner will want).

 

And as Gary mentioned, there are two windows on the non-smokebox side (conversely, one window on the smokestack side).

 

So, Brian, does that put this model in a particular number series?  Thank you very much for this list of spotting features.

 

Schuyler

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bryian Sones via groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 4:38 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] HOn3 D&RGW caboose

 

Add me to the list of Star Brand being a good paint and not an Acrylic. It is great on brass or plastic.

 

I model U.P. and D&RGW narrow gauge in Ho. 

I am not saying I'm an expert on the D&RGW short caboose at all but...

I did do some research to build a few of them

I built 5 of them from PSC kits and I have two brass ones

 

There are a bunch of variations of the short caboose so you really shouldn't decal it without doing some research if you want it correct.

spotting things to look for are:

 

1) Car Ends -There is a rounded version and a Square (flush end)

2) The bolster ends. -There is a Square and Rounded end

3) Copula windows -  Double window,  cross braces and none

4) Copula window awnings - Double, single or none

5) Copula  Square or Angled sides

6) steps- straight or angled sides,.

7) ladders Below roof straight or curved. Above roof curved.

 

A good reference book is Narrow gauge pictorial volume V . "Cabooses of The D&RGW".

 

Decals,  I use San Juan Decals or Thin Film  

 

 

Bryian Sones

Union Pacific Prototype Modeler

Murrieta, CA

 

 

On Monday, April 12, 2021, 12:26:46 PM PDT, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:

 

 

The PFE 1963 catalogue (8th Edition) shows two windows on the side on the smoke stack side.   The same caboose with the dual windows on the smokestack side is shown in the 7th Edition catalogue.  The 9th edition catalogue shows two windows on the non-smoke stack side.

 

Gary Laakso

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Todd Sullivan via groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 12:17 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] HOn3 D&RGW caboose

 

Schuyler,

I don't want to tout the obvious, but the PFM label on the caboose (the bottom, I assume) identifies it as a PFM product, and it definitely has the appearance of a D&RGW narrow gauge caboose with 4 wheel trucks.I'm not sufficiently conversant with Rio Grande ng cabooses to be able to suggest a number or series, but there are photos on Google that show several of these short cabooses with numbers in the 0500 series.

Todd Sullivan


composite gons in 1949 at Commonwealth Edison Chicago area

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
A nice trio of composite gons in 1949 at a Commonwealth Edison Chicago area coal fired power plant. I am not an expert, but they look like other IC composite gons I have seen.
 
I like the coal storage pile in the background.
 
Also, what is the piece of rolling stock up against the bumping post and coupled to the boxcar?
 
 
More info here, including inscription on back of image...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: HOn3 D&RGW caboose (amended)

Mark Rossiter
 

There is an entry on the BrassTrains.com website that looks a lot like your model that indicates it was imported by PFM in 1964.  The detail on your model looks to be about that vintage.  Although this site claims the builder was Katsumi, I believe United may have utilized a number of builders to produce models under their name.  PFM was a heavy user of United.

 

https://www.brasstrains.com/BrassGuide/Pdg/Detail/27059/HOn3-Rolling-Stock-Caboose-Pacific-Fast-Mail-Denver-Rio-Grande-Western-CABOOSE

 

Mark Rossiter


Re: HOn3 D&RGW caboose

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thanks, Gary, that ties it down pretty well, I’d say. 

 

  • Two windows on the non-smokestack side
  • 1965-66
  • The packaging is consistent, in my experience, with that time period.
  • United model, so PFM (and it’s in the PFM catalog)

 

Still, strikes me as odd that there is not any label on the box.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of gary laakso
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 4:03 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] HOn3 D&RGW caboose

 

The PFM catalogue pictures show truss rods and two trucks on the caboose.  The 9th Edition does not have a reference to the date of its issuance but likely 1965-66. 

 

Gary Laakso

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 12:41 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] HOn3 D&RGW caboose

 

That helps, Gary.  What year is the 9th edition?

 

In response to Todd, the label (yes, on the bottom there was something over it) doesn’t say PFM, it simply says United

Scale Models

And at the bottom

Tokyo Japan

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of gary laakso
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 3:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] HOn3 D&RGW caboose

 

The PFE 1963 catalogue (8th Edition) shows two windows on the side on the smoke stack side.   The same caboose with the dual windows on the smokestack side is shown in the 7th Edition catalogue.  The 9th edition catalogue shows two windows on the non-smoke stack side.

 

Gary Laakso

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Todd Sullivan via groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 12:17 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] HOn3 D&RGW caboose

 

Schuyler,

I don't want to tout the obvious, but the PFM label on the caboose (the bottom, I assume) identifies it as a PFM product, and it definitely has the appearance of a D&RGW narrow gauge caboose with 4 wheel trucks.I'm not sufficiently conversant with Rio Grande ng cabooses to be able to suggest a number or series, but there are photos on Google that show several of these short cabooses with numbers in the 0500 series.

Todd Sullivan


Re: HOn3 D&RGW caboose

Bryian Sones
 

Add me to the list of Star Brand being a good paint and not an Acrylic. It is great on brass or plastic.

I model U.P. and D&RGW narrow gauge in Ho. 
I am not saying I'm an expert on the D&RGW short caboose at all but...
I did do some research to build a few of them
I built 5 of them from PSC kits and I have two brass ones

There are a bunch of variations of the short caboose so you really shouldn't decal it without doing some research if you want it correct.
spotting things to look for are:

1) Car Ends -There is a rounded version and a Square (flush end)
2) The bolster ends. -There is a Square and Rounded end
3) Copula windows -  Double window,  cross braces and none
4) Copula window awnings - Double, single or none
5) Copula  Square or Angled sides
6) steps- straight or angled sides,.
7) ladders Below roof straight or curved. Above roof curved.

A good reference book is Narrow gauge pictorial volume V . "Cabooses of The D&RGW".

Decals,  I use San Juan Decals or Thin Film  


Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA


On Monday, April 12, 2021, 12:26:46 PM PDT, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:


The PFE 1963 catalogue (8th Edition) shows two windows on the side on the smoke stack side.   The same caboose with the dual windows on the smokestack side is shown in the 7th Edition catalogue.  The 9th edition catalogue shows two windows on the non-smoke stack side.

 

Gary Laakso

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Todd Sullivan via groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 12:17 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] HOn3 D&RGW caboose

 

Schuyler,

I don't want to tout the obvious, but the PFM label on the caboose (the bottom, I assume) identifies it as a PFM product, and it definitely has the appearance of a D&RGW narrow gauge caboose with 4 wheel trucks.I'm not sufficiently conversant with Rio Grande ng cabooses to be able to suggest a number or series, but there are photos on Google that show several of these short cabooses with numbers in the 0500 series.

Todd Sullivan


N&W gon loaded with coal in 1938 Kentucky

Andy Carlson
 

Looks like N&W 95762 to me.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Monday, April 12, 2021, 1:23:19 PM PDT, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) <claus@...> wrote:


Hi List Members,
 
We get a nice view of N&W coal hauling cars, including a N&W gon loaded with coal, in the image linked below. Sadly, the gon reporting marks are just a little too indistinct to make out.
 
 
More details at the link below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
_._,_._,


HOn3 D&RGW caboose

Andy Carlson
 

Years ago, when prolific author to model magazines, Jim Six, offered detailing diesel locomotive articles he was a huge advocate for AccuPaint painting. I was influenced and based largely on his recs. I ended up embrasing AccuPaint as my go-to paint. Happy ever since. When Bill Welch mentioned to me his discomfort with his stash of AccuPaints and TruColors because of the success he achieved with Acrylics I bought his bottles. I know that acrylics are becoming quite popular though my love of lacquers gives me little reasons for abandoning them.

Jim Six said that he used lacquer thinner for reducing AccuPaint, Floquil and ScaleCoat (1) paints. I went through my quart bottle of AccuPaint thinner and switched over to automotive lacquer reducer with zero ill effects. I did a few Scale Coat black paint with my automotive reducer with fine results. Never tried with Floquil.

I later learned that AccuPaint reducer was a combination of acetone and a class of an alcohol solvent. Automotive lacquer reducer uses similar classes of solvents, so the positive effectiveness should not be a surprise.

One advantage of the automotive reducers is the options of getting differing drying results. As a rule of thumb, the slower flashing off time makes for a wetter surface which facilitates a glossier cured surface.

Even at the high prices for automotive lacquer reducer, a gallon is less than $80 and the per pint cost is about $10, a reasonable price for a high quality substitute. Going way cheaper, hardware store gallon cans of lacquer thinner is under $30 which now approaches being cheap. I don't think that I have ever thinned any of the three Accupaint clones (Accupaint Star Brand and TruColor- which are all manufactured in Southern California to the same basic formula) with hardware store lacquer thinner though I do use it for clean-up. I knew a guy who got good results with the cheaper lacquer thinner. Considering how little thinner/reducer is used for thinning paints, the dual use of expense reducer for paint, and bargain lacquer thinner for cleaning is a good use of products.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Monday, April 12, 2021, 12:49:52 PM PDT, Brian Shumaker <brian.shumaker@...> wrote:


Star brand paint, a P-B-L exclusive, is a lacquer and should only be thinned with Star Brand Lacquer Thinner. The multi-paint layer weathering technique using fiberglass and wire brushes is unique.
Full disclosure, I'm a semi closeted Sn3 modeler and loyal P-B-L customer and heartily recommend them. Check them out.

Brian Shumaker


N&W gon loaded with coal in 1938 Kentucky

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
We get a nice view of N&W coal hauling cars, including a N&W gon loaded with coal, in the image linked below. Sadly, the gon reporting marks are just a little too indistinct to make out.
 
 
More details at the link below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: the word TARMAC in stylized fashion is discernable

Philip Dove
 

In The UK tarmac also had products called Tar... 




Sent from my Huawei phone


-------- Original message --------
From: "Claus Schlund \(HGM\)" <claus@...>
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021, 23:43
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] the word TARMAC in stylized fashion is discernable
Hi List Members,
 
The lettering on this tank car is a bit hard to make out, but the word TARMAC in stylized fashion is discernable. I will note that cars belongs to The Barrett Company with reporting marks BMX have a similar inscription, but the ones I have seen have the word TARVIA. Any relation?
 
Tank car Standish ME ca 1935
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: HOn3 D&RGW caboose

gary laakso
 

The PFM catalogue pictures show truss rods and two trucks on the caboose.  The 9th Edition does not have a reference to the date of its issuance but likely 1965-66. 

 

Gary Laakso

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 12:41 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] HOn3 D&RGW caboose

 

That helps, Gary.  What year is the 9th edition?

 

In response to Todd, the label (yes, on the bottom there was something over it) doesn’t say PFM, it simply says United

Scale Models

And at the bottom

Tokyo Japan

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of gary laakso
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 3:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] HOn3 D&RGW caboose

 

The PFE 1963 catalogue (8th Edition) shows two windows on the side on the smoke stack side.   The same caboose with the dual windows on the smokestack side is shown in the 7th Edition catalogue.  The 9th edition catalogue shows two windows on the non-smoke stack side.

 

Gary Laakso

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Todd Sullivan via groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 12:17 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] HOn3 D&RGW caboose

 

Schuyler,

I don't want to tout the obvious, but the PFM label on the caboose (the bottom, I assume) identifies it as a PFM product, and it definitely has the appearance of a D&RGW narrow gauge caboose with 4 wheel trucks.I'm not sufficiently conversant with Rio Grande ng cabooses to be able to suggest a number or series, but there are photos on Google that show several of these short cabooses with numbers in the 0500 series.

Todd Sullivan


Re: HOn3 D&RGW caboose

Brian Shumaker
 

Star brand paint, a P-B-L exclusive, is a lacquer and should only be thinned with Star Brand Lacquer Thinner. The multi-paint layer weathering technique using fiberglass and wire brushes is unique.
Full disclosure, I'm a semi closeted Sn3 modeler and loyal P-B-L customer and heartily recommend them. Check them out.

Brian Shumaker


Re: HOn3 D&RGW caboose

Schuyler Larrabee
 

That helps, Gary.  What year is the 9th edition?

 

In response to Todd, the label (yes, on the bottom there was something over it) doesn’t say PFM, it simply says United

Scale Models

And at the bottom

Tokyo Japan

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of gary laakso
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 3:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] HOn3 D&RGW caboose

 

The PFE 1963 catalogue (8th Edition) shows two windows on the side on the smoke stack side.   The same caboose with the dual windows on the smokestack side is shown in the 7th Edition catalogue.  The 9th edition catalogue shows two windows on the non-smoke stack side.

 

Gary Laakso

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Todd Sullivan via groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 12:17 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] HOn3 D&RGW caboose

 

Schuyler,

I don't want to tout the obvious, but the PFM label on the caboose (the bottom, I assume) identifies it as a PFM product, and it definitely has the appearance of a D&RGW narrow gauge caboose with 4 wheel trucks.I'm not sufficiently conversant with Rio Grande ng cabooses to be able to suggest a number or series, but there are photos on Google that show several of these short cabooses with numbers in the 0500 series.

Todd Sullivan


Re: HOn3 D&RGW caboose

gary laakso
 

Yes, too many years with SPT.

 

Gary Laakso

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 12:30 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] HOn3 D&RGW caboose

 

gary laakso wrote:



The PFE 1963 catalogue  . . .

 

I assume Gary means PFM?

 

Tony Thompson

 

 

 


Re: Image of CN 3903 36ft ss box Portland ME 1924

Todd Sullivan
 

Hi Schuyler,

I think Dave's and Bruce's points were that NY State was 'home turf' for SOCONY (Std Oil Company of NY), but other 'baby Standard Oil' brand service stations and dealers were found in NYS: Amoco, Esso, Atlantic, etc.  That rings true according to my memories.

Todd Sullivan


Re: HOn3 D&RGW caboose

Tony Thompson
 

gary laakso wrote:

The PFE 1963 catalogue  . . .

I assume Gary means PFM?

Tony Thompson




Re: HOn3 D&RGW caboose

gary laakso
 

The PFE 1963 catalogue (8th Edition) shows two windows on the side on the smoke stack side.   The same caboose with the dual windows on the smokestack side is shown in the 7th Edition catalogue.  The 9th edition catalogue shows two windows on the non-smoke stack side.

 

Gary Laakso

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Todd Sullivan via groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 12:17 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] HOn3 D&RGW caboose

 

Schuyler,

I don't want to tout the obvious, but the PFM label on the caboose (the bottom, I assume) identifies it as a PFM product, and it definitely has the appearance of a D&RGW narrow gauge caboose with 4 wheel trucks.I'm not sufficiently conversant with Rio Grande ng cabooses to be able to suggest a number or series, but there are photos on Google that show several of these short cabooses with numbers in the 0500 series.

Todd Sullivan


Re: HOn3 D&RGW caboose

Todd Sullivan
 

Schuyler,

I don't want to tout the obvious, but the PFM label on the caboose (the bottom, I assume) identifies it as a PFM product, and it definitely has the appearance of a D&RGW narrow gauge caboose with 4 wheel trucks.I'm not sufficiently conversant with Rio Grande ng cabooses to be able to suggest a number or series, but there are photos on Google that show several of these short cabooses with numbers in the 0500 series.

Todd Sullivan


Re: HOn3 D&RGW caboose (amended)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

On further inspection I have uncovered a sticker that says it’s a United model.  But I am still curious about the vintage.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 2:18 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] HOn3 D&RGW caboose

 

I am going to be painting the attached caboose model for a friend.  I have three questions:

 

  1. Can anyone identify this model?  Original date of manufacture?  Importer? Maker?  The box shown with the caboose is evidently the original box, based on the “packing” being the same or very similar to the packing I’ve seen in Max Gray models I’ve bought in original packaging.  There are no markings on the model or on or in the box, other than the pencil notation on the end of the cover.  It’s a very nice model, very well built and seems to be accurate.
  2. The owner of the model has requested I paint it using P-B-L “Rio Grande Freight Car Color.”  If I am not mistaken, that is an acrylic paint, and I am very much disinclined to use an acrylic paint (N.B.: don’t bother to try to tell me that they are easy to use, just as good, clearly the right color or any of that.  Maybe they are in the right hands, but based on my experiences, my hands are not the right hands.  I stick to lacquers, period.)  So are there recommendations among all the experts on this list for a good color in a lacquer paint?  Preferably Scalecoat?
  3. Decals?

 

TIA

 

Schuyler


Re: MEC 35420 40ft ss box in wreck 1937 Hallowell ME

Jack Mullen
 

But wait, there's more!
MEC 5898, ARA 40' box, with a nice view underneath.

Jack Mullen

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