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Re: Detail Associates freight car parts.

Schuyler Larrabee
 

“lost artwork for photo-etched parts . . . “

 

There are those of us who can do such artwork out here.  What parts are they in need of new artwork for?

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Madden via groups.io
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Detail Associates freight car parts.

 

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 04:01 PM, Raymond Stern wrote:

What has happened to Detail Associates? I have had freight car, passenger
car, and diesel parts on back order with Walther's for an awful long time. Has
Detail Associates closed and I missed the memo? I have looked at several places
besides Walther's for these and had no luck. Are these specific parts discontinued?

Found this statement on TMR Distributing's web site:


APRIL 2021 - DETAIL ASSOCIATES ANNOUNCED SOME MORE PRICE INCREASES AND OR PACKAGE QUANTITY CHANGES ON MANY OF THEIR PARTS.  SOME ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN OUT OF STOCK FOR A WHILE ARE SLOWLY TRICKLING IN.  NUMEROUS PARTS ARE STILL CURRENTLY UNAVAILABLE AND THEY ADDRESSED THIS ISSUE REPORTING THAT OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS,  TWO OF THEIR PLASTIC VENDORS HAVE CHANGED OWNERSHIP, THEIR PEWTER CASTER HAS RETIRED AND ONE OF THEIR PHOTO-ETCH VENDORS HAS CLOSED.  SOME ITEMS HAVE BEEN DISCONTINUED FOR VARIOUS REASONS INCLUDING DIES BEING DAMAGED BEYOND REPAIR OR LOST ARTWORK FOR PHOTO-ETCHED PARTS.  THEY HAVE BEEN SOURCING NEW VENDORS - BUT DELIVERY IS SLOW DUE TO COVID-19 ISSUES.

Tom Madden


Re: Detail Associates freight car parts.

Bob Chapman
 

Pro Custom Hobbies has a nice inventory of DA parts (but no plastic ladders, IIRC). Just received a prompt shipment of grabs, etc. from them. Their website inventory works, but website ordering is out of commission -- call them to order.
 
Regards,
Bob Chapman


Re: Detail Associates freight car parts.

John Sykes III
 

Try T-J Model Trains in Pasco, Washington.  Teressa and Joel maintain a much fuller catalog of in-stock detail parts than I have been able to find elsewhere.  They have an eBay store, but can also be ordered from directly.  Teressa is often busy home-schooling their younger 7 kids, but the older ones maintain the store.  I think they recently bought Precision Scale(?), lock, stock and barrel.

-- John


Re: Steam Era Freight Car fleet development

Ed Hawkins
 



On Apr 11, 2021, at 10:54 PM, greg kennelly <greg_kennelly@...> wrote:

To assist in the tracking the development of a specific freight car fleet, would anyone be able to provide a scanned copy of the Pacific Great Eastern Railway entry from the April 1947 ORER, please?  I have a number of scanned copies covering different periods from 1917 to 1954 and am hoping to determine the approximate time frame for certain cars arriving on the railway.  In some cases, there were differences from one issue to the next while in other cases, there was no change for several issues.  From 1926 - 1952, the railway did not list dimensions of individual cars, and provided only a "recapitulation of car equipment".


Greg,
Attached is the requested PGE page 228 from the 4/47 ORER.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Announcing Virtual PRR Day, version 2.0!

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,
         

Virtual PRR Day 

May 15, 2021 

 

     The PRR T&HS is planning a virtual PRR Day on May 15, 2021, through zoom. 

     Thanks to Auburn University, we will be able to host presentations on the history of the PRR and modeling the PRR by experienced speakers. 

     There is no registration fee, but you will need to register in advance, since participation will be limited to 300. Registration is open now; go to https://auburn.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZIkdOGvqTIiGN08GApSI5tLHeTcl_beK6Lw 

 

     In order to have a virtual meeting of a very large group, we ask everyone to abide by the following ground rules: 

  1. Please remain in ‘mute’ mode throughout. The microphones on devices are adept at picking up background noise which will hinder the presentation’s audibility. The mute button is typically in the lower left of the screen. 
  2. No oral interruptions during the 40-minute presentations. 
  3. A 10-minite question-answer time is reserved after each presentation.  
  4. Type your questions to the chat window, which is enabled by a button at the bottom of the screen. For each presentation, a host will monitor the chat window and present questions to the speaker in the order received. 
  5. Please do not share the zoom information with anyone after registering. 

     

         The schedule of presentations is below. 

           

Speaker 

Topic 

Start (PM ET) 

John Frantz 

The Pennsy through the Eyes of Davey Carter 

1:00 PM 

Bruce Smith 

PRR X31 Box Cars 

2:00 PM 

Andy Rubbo 

Modeling Pennsy’s Northeast Corridor 

3:00 PM 

Ken Kobus 

Altoona 

4:00 PM 

Matthew Hurst 

Modeling PRR H31 hoppers 

7:00 PM 

Doug Nelson 

Sunnyside Yard - Home of the PRR Passenger Fleet 

8:00 PM 

 

    If you are new to zoom, we will schedule a chance for you to test your access a few days before. The Zoom site for that will be sent to all meeting registrants. 



I look forward to seeing many of you there!
Regards,
Bruce 
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: PFE Express Reefer in NYC Express Train

bill stanton
 

ok its getting more clear now
at least 3 different scenarios mentioned...
  1. if a string of express reefers all needed icing they could be done together in a bunch
  2. if an individual car needed pre icing and it didn't hurt a psgr schedule it could be done along with ordinary reefers
  3. if a car in a psgr train needed icing, odds are done by truck at the depot so as to not delay the train
thanks to all


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...>
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 1:40 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PFE Express Reefer in NYC Express Train
 
There was a small ice house at the south end of the platforms, beyond the express facility, at Wichita Union Station.  It was probably there for the purpose of icing passenger cars as needed.  There was also a ramp right by it, for vehicular access to the platforms, which I used to drive up on when I was watching passenger trains.  So if an express reefer needed icing, which was probably a rare occurrence there, it wouldn't have been hard to do.  

Ron Merrick


Re: Detail Associates freight car parts.

Tom Madden
 

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 04:01 PM, Raymond Stern wrote:
What has happened to Detail Associates? I have had freight car, passenger
car, and diesel parts on back order with Walther's for an awful long time. Has
Detail Associates closed and I missed the memo? I have looked at several places
besides Walther's for these and had no luck. Are these specific parts discontinued?
Found this statement on TMR Distributing's web site:

APRIL 2021 - DETAIL ASSOCIATES ANNOUNCED SOME MORE PRICE INCREASES AND OR PACKAGE QUANTITY CHANGES ON MANY OF THEIR PARTS.  SOME ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN OUT OF STOCK FOR A WHILE ARE SLOWLY TRICKLING IN.  NUMEROUS PARTS ARE STILL CURRENTLY UNAVAILABLE AND THEY ADDRESSED THIS ISSUE REPORTING THAT OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS,  TWO OF THEIR PLASTIC VENDORS HAVE CHANGED OWNERSHIP, THEIR PEWTER CASTER HAS RETIRED AND ONE OF THEIR PHOTO-ETCH VENDORS HAS CLOSED.  SOME ITEMS HAVE BEEN DISCONTINUED FOR VARIOUS REASONS INCLUDING DIES BEING DAMAGED BEYOND REPAIR OR LOST ARTWORK FOR PHOTO-ETCHED PARTS.  THEY HAVE BEEN SOURCING NEW VENDORS - BUT DELIVERY IS SLOW DUE TO COVID-19 ISSUES.

Tom Madden


Detail Associates freight car parts.

Raymond Stern
 

What has happened to Detail Associates? I have had freight car, passenger
car, and diesel parts on back order with Walther's for an awful long time. Has
Detail Associates closed and I missed the memo? I have looked at several places
besides Walther's for these and had no luck. Are these specific parts discontinued?

DET 6207 freight car ladders, long  Back ordered Feb, 6, 2017
DET 6426 freight car grab irons, straight, 19 1/2". Back ordered Sept. 10, 2016

These parts are still listed on the Walther's web site and in the 2021 catalog.

And that does not count all the wire and flat brass.

Help!

Raymond


Re: PFE Express Reefer in NYC Express Train

akerboomk
 

Don’t forget that many/most “larger” passenger stations would need ice for passenger car A/C (obviously depending on whether cars that used ice AC would, or could, pass thru and need it at that point).  I’m sure the passenger depts. of the railroads would plan out where icing would be needed, and therefor which stations needed the facilities.

 

So the only additional equipment needed for express reefers would be the lift truck to get the ice up to the roof level.

 


--
Ken Akerboom


Re: "Tyranical" USRA in 1918

Tony Thompson
 

George Eichelberger wrote:

This may explain why I see “errors” in USRA car quantities. Some may be “allocated”, other never purchased because they were not wanted. In a third case, cars were swapped before delivery. SR was allocated USRA single sheathed box cars and managed to get them changed to double sheathed cars
Do you mean beyond what is listed in the Lane article? He gives quite complete-looking tables of “allocated” vs. “received” USRA cars. Do you have info beyond what he presented?

Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com


Re: PFE Express Reefer in NYC Express Train

mopacfirst
 

There was a small ice house at the south end of the platforms, beyond the express facility, at Wichita Union Station.  It was probably there for the purpose of icing passenger cars as needed.  There was also a ramp right by it, for vehicular access to the platforms, which I used to drive up on when I was watching passenger trains.  So if an express reefer needed icing, which was probably a rare occurrence there, it wouldn't have been hard to do.  

Ron Merrick


Re: "Tyranical" USRA in 1918

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Eric,

Interesting that the Western Pacific was not assigned any USRA freight cars. 

The USRA did mess with the WP though. The USRA forced the WP to take 5 USRA light 2-8-2s, series (1st) 321-325, in December 1918. The road had already acquired 5 heavy 2-8-2s in June (they were actually a bit beefier than the USRA's heavy design), and the WP didn't want the lighter engines. Too bad! In 1920 WP bought five USRA-owned heavies returned by the EJ&E, and the light 2-8-2s were promptly sold to the Wabash.

The USRA also interfered with the WP's operations, though this turned out to be a success. The government forced them into a paired track arrangement with the SP on roughly parallel lines across the Nevada desert. This actually turned out to be a good thing for both railroads, and the paired track arrangement was later revived.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 9:03 AM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

Thanks for sharing that correspondence, Ike. I suspect there were similar letters from other lines. I know the Nickel Plate refused their USRA double-sheathed boxcar assignments and the Lehigh Valley refused their USRA hoppers.

 

A key USRA freight car article was published by James E. Lane in the Spring 1973 Railway and Locomotive Historical Society’s “Railroad History, No. 128”. The article features tables of the original equipment allotments, based upon what USRA officials felt the individual lines needed for their routes. There are also tables of the final equipment assignments. I created a resource page with the USRA assignment data on my blog.

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/usra-freight-car-assignments/

 

I mentioned earlier that the Nickel Plate refused their cars, yet they are on the assignment list. The cars were in service for a couple of years with Nickel Plate lettering until the Wabash picked them up in 1922. Several notes appear on my data tables to indicate ownership change in the years after USRA control was relinquished.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 8:06 PM
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io; RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] "Tyranical" USRA in 1918

 

While scanning multiple WWI era files in the SRHA archives, I’ve learned about an aspect of the United States Railroad Administration (USRA) I was not aware of. In addition to the typical railroad officers, the Southern had a “Federal Manager” that acted as an intermediary between the railroad management and the USRA. The correspondence shows decisions about which USRA “allocations” had been requested, to accept them and then how to pay for them were made by some combination of the three.

 

One answered a long-standing question of mine about why the Southern had so few USRA design box cars. In a full page letter to the USRA, Southern explained that its standard 30-ton, 36ft box cars were more suitable to its freight traffic than the 40ft, 40-T USRA standard cars (designed by the NYC?) that had been allocated. Costs, parts made far from Southern territory and other items were mentioned in the reasons to reject the allocation (apparently not requested by the railroad).

 

Of the multiple examples where cars were allocated but not accepted/wanted by the Southern, the letter sent to Southern President Fairfax Harrison (attached) Nov 14, 1918 resulted in the memo sent by “FH” the next day. Southern managements always resented any attempt at “Government Control” but forcing the railroad to spend money they did not think justifiable was too much.

 

Ike

 

 


Re: PFE Express Reefer in NYC Express Train

Jeffrey White
 

The IC contracted with Central Illinois Public Services to provide their ice plants in Southern Illinois.  In Centralia IL they had a large ice plant and platform about 3 miles South of the passenger depot in the freight yards alongside the South bound main.  They iced reefers going in both directions there.  CIPS also had a small ice plant uptown right behind the passenger depot.


I've circled it on this track chart.  There was a track to the back of the building and I have a 1934 aerial photo of downtown Centralia that shows what appears to be an express reefer on that track.

Here is the complete photo. It's a little clearer.

While they had the capability to cut an express reefer out at the depot and spot it at the ice plant just behind the depot and I have a photo showing an express reefer there, I have been told they iced from a truck on the platform.

Jeff White

Alma, IL

On 4/13/2021 1:36 PM, Todd Sullivan via groups.io wrote:
Bill,

As Tony Thompson indicated, if in a passenger train and loaded, they would be iced by an ice truck with a lift body while still in the train.  That was to save the time of cutting the express reefer out of the passenger train, taking it to the nearest icing facility (probably miles from the train depot), icing it, and returning it to the passenger train to continue its journey.  So, it would be unlikely for a loaded express reefer to be iced with freight reefers.  OTOH, if the load called for pre-icing, I imagine the express reefer could have been pre-iced at an icing facility in a freight yard with freight reefers. 

Tony (or others) certainly are welcome to chime in with their take on this hunch of mine.

Todd Sullivan


Re: PFE Express Reefer in NYC Express Train

Tony Thompson
 

Todd Sullivan  wrote:

As Tony Thompson indicated, if in a passenger train and loaded, they would be iced by an ice truck with a lift body while still in the train.  That was to save the time of cutting the express reefer out of the passenger train, taking it to the nearest icing facility (probably miles from the train depot), icing it, and returning it to the passenger train to continue its journey.  So, it would be unlikely for a loaded express reefer to be iced with freight reefers.  OTOH, if the load called for pre-icing, I imagine the express reefer could have been pre-iced at an icing facility in a freight yard with freight reefers. 

Tony (or others) certainly are welcome to chime in with their take on this hunch of mine.

  Well described, Todd. The major exception to your description was in certain early-season shipments when entire trains of express reefers were moved over the railroad. In that case, the string WAS taken to the ice deck. There are photos. But that's a special case, not typical practice.

Tony Thompson




Re: PFE Express Reefer in NYC Express Train

Todd Sullivan
 

Bill,

As Tony Thompson indicated, if in a passenger train and loaded, they would be iced by an ice truck with a lift body while still in the train.  That was to save the time of cutting the express reefer out of the passenger train, taking it to the nearest icing facility (probably miles from the train depot), icing it, and returning it to the passenger train to continue its journey.  So, it would be unlikely for a loaded express reefer to be iced with freight reefers.  OTOH, if the load called for pre-icing, I imagine the express reefer could have been pre-iced at an icing facility in a freight yard with freight reefers. 

Tony (or others) certainly are welcome to chime in with their take on this hunch of mine.

Todd Sullivan


Re: PFE Express Reefer in NYC Express Train

bill stanton
 

would they ever have been iced along with ordinary reefers?


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 8:59 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PFE Express Reefer in NYC Express Train
 

it depends


On 4/12/2021 7:24 PM, bill stanton wrote:
would express reefers have been intermingled with ordinary reefers in the icing process or kept separate?


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tony Thompson <tony@...>
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PFE Express Reefer in NYC Express Train
 
please elaborate further...i'm simply trying to figure out how to handle them operationally on my railroad (modeling colton and LA circa 1947)

A string of express reefers might be taken over to the ice deck, if it happened to be nearby. But single cars, and cars in trains without time to wait for movement to an ice deck, would be iced right at the depot, using an elevating truck body to get ice up to the ice hatches. Photos of all this in the PFE book.

Tony Thompson


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Photo: PFE 95325 (R-30-9/R-40-9)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: PFE 95325 (R-30-9/R-40-9)

A photo from the University of Texas-Arlington Archives:

https://library.uta.edu/digitalgallery/img/20089211

Click on the photo twice to fully enlarge it.

Photo taken 1942. Spotted at Fort Worth Wholesale Grocery Produce Co. Looks like a lot of activity at this location.

If you are modeling a scene such as this be sure to include the debris and weeds as this certainly adds character to the scene.

I cannot determine whether this is a Class R-30-9 or R-40-9 reefer as it is in a series of cars (91022-98718) that included both classes. This series consisted of cars reconditioned in 1938-1940 from Classes R-30-11 to R-30-14 plus R-40-2. In addition to their wood sheathing these cars retained their all-wood superstructures and original underframes. After the date of this photo, staring in 1949, PFE again began a reconditioning program which included replacing the all-wood superstructures with steel framing.

There is good coverage of these cars in the PFE book:

https://www.signaturepress.com/PFE/pfe2.html

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railroad Citrus Industry Modeling Group

https://groups.io/g/RailroadCitrusIndustryModelingGroup


Re: PRR X29B and X29D

mopacfirst
 

Thanks for providing these answers, even though I didn't ask the question.  I have an F&C X29B and an X29D, along with an X26C, partially built on the bench.  I like to do more than one at a time of similar or identical cars, since it saves me time on research and construction methods, and near the beginning of projects I often do the same thing on several models at once.  

A technique I've been using recently, for light colored parts like the white F&C resin or even the Sunshine gray, is that for one-piece body house cars I will wrap the sides and ends with tape and spray the roof the appropriate color while the car is partially built.  Saves the trouble of trying to get paint under the roofwalk, and if the car has a wooden walk I can paint it separately and get weathered wood colors on it more easily.

Ron Merrick


Re: PFE Express Reefer in NYC Express Train

Tim O'Connor
 


it depends


On 4/12/2021 7:24 PM, bill stanton wrote:
would express reefers have been intermingled with ordinary reefers in the icing process or kept separate?


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tony Thompson <tony@...>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 4:22 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PFE Express Reefer in NYC Express Train
 
please elaborate further...i'm simply trying to figure out how to handle them operationally on my railroad (modeling colton and LA circa 1947)

A string of express reefers might be taken over to the ice deck, if it happened to be nearby. But single cars, and cars in trains without time to wait for movement to an ice deck, would be iced right at the depot, using an elevating truck body to get ice up to the ice hatches. Photos of all this in the PFE book.

Tony Thompson


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR X29B and X29D

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

You are welcome, Mike!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Clements via groups.io
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Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR X29B and X29D

 

Thanks everyone. Got everything I need (including an undec Branchline box with 7 doors, Tom Haag's PK decals and a full bottle of Polly Scale Italian Camo Brown). Since Intermountain no longer sells spare parts, I'll have to rebuild the underframe from the Branchline part, so I'll pass on the offer for more info on that build, but thanks anyway, that would have been the way to go.

Mike Clements
Wakefield, MA
nyc65.wordpress.com

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