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Re: C&IM fans are gonna like this 1948-1959

Brian Termunde
 

Well Sir it's Thanks to you! : ) I do appreciate all that you share with us, here and elsewhere.

Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah


Re: C&IM fans are gonna like this 1948-1959
From: Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 18:23:13 PDT

Hi Brian,
 
Nice find!
 
Claus Schlund


Photo: Reading Hopper 74778 (1930)

David
 

They are a pressed steel archbar truck; fairly commonly used on Pressed Steel Car's early production, including Reading's first PSC hoppers. Reading took a liking to the design and used it on several later orders through the mid-Teens.

David Thompson


Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Reefers At A Blast Furnace (Circa 1925)

Bruce Smith
 

As would the people of MUN-row county New York, the location of the photo under discussion - See what I did there, brought it back to the actual subject 😉

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Jim Gates via groups.io <jim.gates@...>
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 6:35 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Reefers At A Blast Furnace (Circa 1925)
 
Fairly certain the people from Monroe, Arkansas would also disagree with you about the "correct" pronunciation.

Jim Gates
On Sunday, April 18, 2021, 05:56:38 PM CDT, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:


I’ve always been fascinated by local pronunciations. Monroe, LA is pronounced MUN’row, not MonROE -  that is if your from there. The rest of us pronounce it correctly. Not sure which railroads served Monroe.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 5:38 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Reefers At A Blast Furnace (Circa 1925)

 

Charlotte (pronounce Shar-LOT, not SHAR-let) was served by the New York Central. While not a direct connection to the shops in East Rochester, given that the steel mill has been shut down for some 20 years by the time of the photo, it would make sense that the NYC was using it for storage. 

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


Re: C&IM fans are gonna like this 1948-1959

rwilson1056
 

When did the side sill reinforcement begin to be added to the Mathers

Roger Wilson


Re: C&IM fans are gonna like this 1948-1959

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Brian,
 
Nice find!
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&IM fans are gonna like this 1948-1959

Claus,
I noticed that car too!

I didn't anything Milwaukee Road, but found an interesting view of two DS NP Box cars in Billings, MT . . . stated to be 1907.


I need to take a bit of time going through his offerings. Thanks for the links!

Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah

Re: C&IM fans are gonna like this 1948-1959
From: Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 13:45:06 PDT
Hi List Members,
 
I forgot to mention, I especially like the pole load on the flat car in the background along with "C&IM 6149 twin offset side hopper". One of the poles looks to have dangerously shifted while en route.
 
 
Claus Schlund


Re: Photo: Reading Hopper 74778 (1930)

kevinhlafferty
 

Now those are some unusual trucks.

 

Kevin Lafferty


Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Reefers At A Blast Furnace (Circa 1925)

Jim Gates
 

Fairly certain the people from Monroe, Arkansas would also disagree with you about the "correct" pronunciation.

Jim Gates

On Sunday, April 18, 2021, 05:56:38 PM CDT, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:


I’ve always been fascinated by local pronunciations. Monroe, LA is pronounced MUN’row, not MonROE -  that is if your from there. The rest of us pronounce it correctly. Not sure which railroads served Monroe.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 5:38 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Reefers At A Blast Furnace (Circa 1925)

 

Charlotte (pronounce Shar-LOT, not SHAR-let) was served by the New York Central. While not a direct connection to the shops in East Rochester, given that the steel mill has been shut down for some 20 years by the time of the photo, it would make sense that the NYC was using it for storage. 

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Reefers At A Blast Furnace (Circa 1925)

Nelson Moyer
 

I’ve always been fascinated by local pronunciations. Monroe, LA is pronounced MUN’row, not MonROE -  that is if your from there. The rest of us pronounce it correctly. Not sure which railroads served Monroe.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 5:38 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Reefers At A Blast Furnace (Circa 1925)

 

Charlotte (pronounce Shar-LOT, not SHAR-let) was served by the New York Central. While not a direct connection to the shops in East Rochester, given that the steel mill has been shut down for some 20 years by the time of the photo, it would make sense that the NYC was using it for storage. 

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Reefers At A Blast Furnace (Circa 1925)

Bruce Smith
 

Charlotte (pronounce Shar-LOT, not SHAR-let) was served by the New York Central. While not a direct connection to the shops in East Rochester, given that the steel mill has been shut down for some 20 years by the time of the photo, it would make sense that the NYC was using it for storage. 

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL




From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Eric Hansmann <eric@...>
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 12:53 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Reefers At A Blast Furnace (Circa 1925)
 
CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.
I consulted a map and found Charlotte and East Rochester on opposite sides of Rochester. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Apr 18, 2021, at 12:14 PM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

I wonder how close this was the the Despatch Shops in East Rochester. 

Many of those MDT reefers were built and repaired at the Despatch Shops. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Apr 18, 2021, at 11:51 AM, Stic Harris <sticdvm@...> wrote:

Yep. Roberts Iron (in Charlotte, a part of Rochester NY) went idle in 1892.

Stic Harris

On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 12:37 PM Patrick Wade <patwadesb@...> wrote:
Since I do not see any smoke from the stacks perhaps the furnace is closed and the reefers are simply stored there on the off season.

Pat Wade
Santa Barbara, CA


On Apr 18, 2021, at 9:15 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:



Photo: Reefers At A Blast Furnace (Circa 1925)

A photo from the Hagley Digital Archives:

https://digital.hagley.org/1986268_0245

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Anyone have an educated guess as to what is going on here?

The reefers all look the same and all look new. Is their location a coincidence or would there be some reason to place these cars at a blast furnace?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



--


- Stic


partial view of a WFEX reefer, possibly 63856, in the 1920s on SAL

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
A partial view of a WFEX reefer, possibly 63856, in the 1920s on SAL. This must have been quite early in the formation of WFE, no?
 
 
More info below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 


Re: C&IM fans are gonna like this 1948-1959

Brian Termunde
 

Claus,
I noticed that car too!

I didn't anything Milwaukee Road, but found an interesting view of two DS NP Box cars in Billings, MT . . . stated to be 1907.


I need to take a bit of time going through his offerings. Thanks for the links!

Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah

Re: C&IM fans are gonna like this 1948-1959
From: Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 13:45:06 PDT
Hi List Members,
 
I forgot to mention, I especially like the pole load on the flat car in the background along with "C&IM 6149 twin offset side hopper". One of the poles looks to have dangerously shifted while en route.
 
 
Claus Schlund


ERIE 8012 flat car with Bausenbach shock-mounted containers in 1950

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
ERIE 8012 flat car with Bausenbach shock-mounted containers in 1950
 
 
More info below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


High load - "NEED SPECIAL HANDLING?" NKP advertizing

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
High load - "NEED SPECIAL HANDLING?" NKP advertizing
 
Not clear whose depressed center flat that is.
 
 
More info below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: NJI&I to Wabash at Pine - Part 5 & Last

Eric Hansmann
 

I wonder if the siding loads are wood or metal. I assume they are housing siding.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


On 04/18/2021 7:22 AM Gary Roe <wabashrr@...> wrote:


Here is the last installment of "Daily Interchange Report of Cars" from the NJI&I to the Wabash at Pine in 1953.  The following list is dated 07May53.  All cars originated at South Bend.  I am showing Initials, Number, Destination, Contents.

gary roe
quincy, illinois


These cars were left between 10:45P and Midnight for pick up by Westbound Train 89 (Montpelier, OH to Chicago), expected at Pine around 7A on 08May.

T&P   19065   Fort Madison IA     Pipe
ATSF  146225  Chicago IL          Empty
PLE   12846   Chicago IL          Pipe
EJE   6157    Burnsville MN       Tractors
Milw  592206  Chicago IL          Empty
CB&Q  31802   Chicago IL          Empty
Milw  25624   Dallas TX           Siding
IC    20250   Denver CO           Siding
NP    12857   Chicago IL          Empty
Wab   12544   Barstow CA          Autos
Wab   12572   Barstow CA          Autos
ATSF  7127    Eau Claire WI       Autos
WP    40058   Barstow CA          Autos



Re: MV Products Lenses

Nelson Moyer
 

Good to know. Thanks, Bob.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 11:48 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] MV Products Lenses

 

From Ed Hall of Henderson, NV:

From conversations with them, yes, they are still in business.

Contact info:

suegawers@... [suegawers AT yahoo DOT com]

 

bob@... [bob AT mvproducts DOT com]

 

Phone number: 949-427-7913

 

Bob Chaparro

 

Hemet, CA


Re: GN Boxcar

John Barry
 

Garth,

I have to agree with you and Brian on the fellow in khakis.  The MP armband is a dead giveaway.  Joint Army-Navy or Army-CG patrols were often used in WWII.  It helped defuse things when busting up brawls as the joint groups weren't seen as taking sides the way a strictly SP or MP detail could be by brawlers from the opposite service.  There's also documentation that joint teams were used on passenger trains during the war.  

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696 






On Sunday, April 18, 2021, 04:45:59 PM EDT, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:


Brian and Paul,

Since the photo was found at the bottom of a Coast Guard file cabinet, I tend to agree with Brian. Also consider that the Coast Guard was heavily involved in both port safety and port security during WWII.

Both officers and enlisted men wore the same uniforms as the Navy, except for insignia and sometimes the "Donald Duck" hat for junior enlisteds (but also the Navy "Dixie Cup", you see in the photo). All I can really tell you about the SP facing the camera is that he is a second class, though his specialty is unclear. Chief Petty Officers and officers usually wore Navy khakis.

Now that I have your attention, I will share a story about legendary Coast Guard Captain Higby (later promoted to Admiral upon his retirement). He was, IIRC, head of port security in Long Beach/Los Angeles during WWII. Higby could be a terror. Once he was inspecting a bridge with one of his subordinates who was responsible for that structure. Sitting right on the bridge was a box clearly marked as dynamite. Higby pointed out the box with great indignation, then drew his .45 and put a bullet right through the box. His subordinate officer almost fainted. The box was, of course, empty and had been placed there by Captain Higby just to make a point. 

I knew Admiral Higby slightly. He used to wander around the District Office in Long Beach in his very senior years (like 85 or something). He often used the restroom outside my office to change into swimming trunks and a bathrobe before going down to the shore for a dip. He was quite a character.

Now let's get back to boxcars.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 12:20 PM Paul Koehler <koehlers@...> wrote:

Brian:

 

Look again, I believe that’s two Coast Guard SP’s and a Coast Guard Officer.

 

Paul; C. Koehler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 6:45 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] GN Boxcar

 

And Army MP (Military Police) and two Navy SPs (Shore Police) by the look of it.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Sunday, April 18, 2021 at 6:43 AM
To: realSTMFC <RealSTMFC@groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] GN Boxcar

 

Friends,

 

While scanning my prints I came upon this interesting photo of a GN boxcar. I found the faded original in a file when I was assigned to the Coast Guard District 11 headquarters in Long Beach. I presume that these are Coast Guardsmen, the photo is from the Los Angeles harbor area, and was taken during WWII.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆


Re: Photo: SP Boxcars (1930)

Dave Parker
 

Given the absolute domination of the world nitrogen market by Chilean nitrate until after WWI, I must confess to be being very dubious about the Summary's implication that this was the first shipment ever received my the SP.  Maybe the caption-writer really meant this was the first shipment carried by the SS Capac and handed off to the SP.  This is still striking as the ship was sold to the WR Grace Co and renamed the Capac in 1926.  Until it was torpedoed in 1942, it apparently plied the waters between South America and our Pacific coast, and Chilean nitrate should have been a common cargo.  There is a nice brief history of the ship here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Cardina

--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Photo: SP Boxcars (1930)

John Barry
 

27156 is a B-50-12 SS USRA car, while 18489 is a DS B-50-9.  The caption states this was a the first shipment of nitrate to the west coast.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696 






On Sunday, April 18, 2021, 03:00:46 PM EDT, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) <claus@...> wrote:


Hi Bob and List Members,
 
SP 27156 looks to be a USRA ss boxcar.
 
SP18489 is placarded with a diamond-shaped INFLAMMABLE placard.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 12:09 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: SP Boxcars (1930)

Photo: SP Boxcars (1930)

A photo from the Hagley Digital Archives:

https://digital.hagley.org/PC20110405_861

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Not a great quality photo but you can read the car numbers.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: GN Boxcar

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Brian and Paul,

Since the photo was found at the bottom of a Coast Guard file cabinet, I tend to agree with Brian. Also consider that the Coast Guard was heavily involved in both port safety and port security during WWII.

Both officers and enlisted men wore the same uniforms as the Navy, except for insignia and sometimes the "Donald Duck" hat for junior enlisteds (but also the Navy "Dixie Cup", you see in the photo). All I can really tell you about the SP facing the camera is that he is a second class, though his specialty is unclear. Chief Petty Officers and officers usually wore Navy khakis.

Now that I have your attention, I will share a story about legendary Coast Guard Captain Higby (later promoted to Admiral upon his retirement). He was, IIRC, head of port security in Long Beach/Los Angeles during WWII. Higby could be a terror. Once he was inspecting a bridge with one of his subordinates who was responsible for that structure. Sitting right on the bridge was a box clearly marked as dynamite. Higby pointed out the box with great indignation, then drew his .45 and put a bullet right through the box. His subordinate officer almost fainted. The box was, of course, empty and had been placed there by Captain Higby just to make a point. 

I knew Admiral Higby slightly. He used to wander around the District Office in Long Beach in his very senior years (like 85 or something). He often used the restroom outside my office to change into swimming trunks and a bathrobe before going down to the shore for a dip. He was quite a character.

Now let's get back to boxcars.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 12:20 PM Paul Koehler <koehlers@...> wrote:

Brian:

 

Look again, I believe that’s two Coast Guard SP’s and a Coast Guard Officer.

 

Paul; C. Koehler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 6:45 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] GN Boxcar

 

And Army MP (Military Police) and two Navy SPs (Shore Police) by the look of it.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Sunday, April 18, 2021 at 6:43 AM
To: realSTMFC <RealSTMFC@groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] GN Boxcar

 

Friends,

 

While scanning my prints I came upon this interesting photo of a GN boxcar. I found the faded original in a file when I was assigned to the Coast Guard District 11 headquarters in Long Beach. I presume that these are Coast Guardsmen, the photo is from the Los Angeles harbor area, and was taken during WWII.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆


Re: C&IM fans are gonna like this 1948-1959

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
I forgot to mention, I especially like the pole load on the flat car in the background along with "C&IM 6149 twin offset side hopper". One of the poles looks to have dangerously shifted while en route.
 
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----
To: STMFC
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 4:40 PM
Subject: C&IM fans are gonna like this 1948-1959

Hi List members,
 
C&IM fans are gonna like this. All images 1948-1959.
 
C&IM 6149 twin offset side hopper
 
 
 
C&IM 8198 40ft ss boxcar
 
 
 
C&IM 8308 40ft ss boxcar
 
 
 
C&IM 16060 40ft steel boxcar
 
 
 
C&IM 16606 40ft steel boxcar
 
 
 
C&IM 8396 40ft ss boxcar
 
 
 
Additional info below...
 
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 

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