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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Boxcar For Automobile Roofs

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Group;

 

Hard question, I know:  Anyone have any idea what car company was receiving these roofs?

 

Model?

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 10:07 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Boxcar For Automobile Roofs

 

Photo: Boxcar For Automobile Roofs

A photo from the Hagley Digital Archives:

https://digital.hagley.org/1999228_0021

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] High load - "NEED SPECIAL HANDLING?" NKP advertizing

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Claus, Group;

 

I dug through my pics in depth, and could not locate this car, but I think it is not NKP (hence the airbrushed out lettering), but another road (like Erie or NYC maybe) that had the even spaced axle six-wheel trucks, that cut-out above the trucks, and that GSC cast body with ribs on the transition from lower deck to upper decks.

 

Can anyone help?

 

Thanks!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 6:09 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] High load - "NEED SPECIAL HANDLING?" NKP advertizing

 

Hi List Members,

 

High load - "NEED SPECIAL HANDLING?" NKP advertizing

 

Not clear whose depressed center flat that is.

 

 

More info below...

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Gondola 377243 G31E (1956)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Group;

 

This photo was taken while PRR was in the midst of a big conversion of G31E from general service gons to dedicated “skid & cover” cars for coiled steel shipment.

 

This is one of a large group converted in 1956 in PRR shops, for use in the steel industry.  Steel manufacturers were clamoring for these cars, and PRR was converting as fast as they could.

 

The “tell” on what group is the wire bale lifting arrangement and lack of racking diagonals on the covers.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 12:13 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Gondola 377243 G31E (1956)

 

Photo: PRR Gondola 377243 G31E (1956)

A photo from the Hagley Digital Archives:

https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_21110

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Coiled steel covers.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


ADMIN - Funny pronunciation of "moderate jail"

Aley, Jeff A
 

Hi Folks,

 

               Let us now return to the discussion of Steam-Era Freight Cars.  Otherwise, you might find yourself in Moderate Jail (“MOD-er-8” not “MOD-er-ut”).

 

Thanks,

 

-Jeff Aley,

Deputy Moderator, RealSTMFC

 

 

 


Re: [Funny names and pronounciationss

Dave Lawler
 

How about LYE-ma, Ohio, home of the famous locomotive works, and LEE-ma, Peru.
Dave Lawler


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR G25, X40 and F37

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Group;

 

Just to add to what Ben said, the X40 were part of the “lightweight” fad taking place at the time.

 

The thinking was that reduction of dead weight in a car, particularly in service like LCL, could be lowered, cost savings.

 

Unfortunately, with the failure of dedicated LCL, these cars were cascaded into other service, resulting in them being overloaded sometimes.

 

They did not hold up well in general service, and other less than robust car classes also suffered.

 

PRR’s answer much after the fact was to only build box cars with much-reinforced side sills, including sometimes door gussets, either on rebuilds or as new.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Benjamin Hom
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 8:57 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR G25, X40 and F37

 

Ron Merrick wrote:

"Hope somebody will humor me, but I'm interested in the X40 cars despite the fact that I'll never build a model of one, one reason being that I doubt that one of them ever visited my obscure secondary main line in Kansas.  I believe the X40c was the fire engine delivery car, which has been discussed here several times."

 

While the single Class X40C car was a 60 ft non-rack equipped automobile boxcar with end doors that could have been used for delivering fire engines, it wasn't necessarily dedicated in that service, so could be used for any other lading requiring an end door automobile boxcar.

 

Regarding the dedicated car for American LaFrance, you're probably thinking about the Class X30 boxcar.

 

 

"But I'd be curious as to what the others were intended for, other than pushing the envelope on freight car design.  I see by the prr.railfan.net site that they had a fairly long life,  but since only 110 were ever built, they may have been an evolutionary dead end."

 

They were used in automobile service, with a few equipped for LCL service  - a check of the notes section of the ORER would indicate which ones were equipped with racks for specific parts and other service.

 

 

Ben Hom


Re: PRR G25, X40 and F37

Benjamin Hom
 

Ron Merrick wrote:
"Hope somebody will humor me, but I'm interested in the X40 cars despite the fact that I'll never build a model of one, one reason being that I doubt that one of them ever visited my obscure secondary main line in Kansas.  I believe the X40c was the fire engine delivery car, which has been discussed here several times."

While the single Class X40C car was a 60 ft non-rack equipped automobile boxcar with end doors that could have been used for delivering fire engines, it wasn't necessarily dedicated in that service, so could be used for any other lading requiring an end door automobile boxcar.

Regarding the dedicated car for American LaFrance, you're probably thinking about the Class X30 boxcar.


"But I'd be curious as to what the others were intended for, other than pushing the envelope on freight car design.  I see by the prr.railfan.net site that they had a fairly long life,  but since only 110 were ever built, they may have been an evolutionary dead end."

They were used in automobile service, with a few equipped for LCL service  - a check of the notes section of the ORER would indicate which ones were equipped with racks for specific parts and other service.


Ben Hom


Re: PRR G25, X40 and F37

mopacfirst
 

Hope somebody will humor me, but I'm interested in the X40 cars despite the fact that I'll never build a model of one, one reason being that I doubt that one of them ever visited my obscure secondary main line in Kansas.  I believe the X40c was the fire engine delivery car, which has been discussed here several times.  But I'd be curious as to what the others were intended for, other than pushing the envelope on freight car design.  I see by the prr.railfan.net site that they had a fairly long life,  but since only 110 were ever built, they may have been an evolutionary dead end.

I did recently pick up a Sunshine X41 (basically the same car, but 50'), which would perhaps be more likely to have made it out my way.

Ron Merrick


Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] PRR G25, X40 and F37

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,

During WWII, the F37 was used to carry US Nave 40 mm bofors anti-aircraft gun mounts. I have yet to find a photo (or loading diagram) of this load on one of these well-flats, so if any of you might have any information on how these guns were loaded, I'd love to see it1

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of kevinhlafferty <khlafferty@...>
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 11:15 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] PRR G25, X40 and F37
 
CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.
Some interesting Hagley photos.

photos of a G25 gondola with large ships propellers extending through the floor.
https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_13469?solr_nav%5Bid%5D=169013f2f3ddcf541a65&solr_nav%5Bpage%5D=4&solr_nav%5Boffset%5D=0#modal-close
https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_13470?solr_nav%5Bid%5D=e140069ab397815d3249&solr_nav%5Bpage%5D=9&solr_nav%5Boffset%5D=15

photos of an X40 1946 60' auto boxcar
https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_15899?solr_nav%5Bid%5D=1bbfcf079be1a3eacee0&solr_nav%5Bpage%5D=0&solr_nav%5Boffset%5D=1
https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_15574?solr_nav%5Bid%5D=1bbfcf079be1a3eacee0&solr_nav%5Bpage%5D=0&solr_nav%5Boffset%5D=0

photos of an F37 well hole flat car
https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_13765?solr_nav%5Bid%5D=dba29ee5d4680a627383&solr_nav%5Bpage%5D=0&solr_nav%5Boffset%5D=0
https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_13767?solr_nav%5Bid%5D=dba29ee5d4680a627383&solr_nav%5Bpage%5D=0&solr_nav%5Boffset%5D=1
https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_13764?solr_nav%5Bid%5D=dba29ee5d4680a627383&solr_nav%5Bpage%5D=0&solr_nav%5Boffset%5D=2

Kevin Lafferty


Re: [Funny names and pronounciationss

George Kristy
 

Funny name for this thread: 'Moderator Must Be Sleeping'


Re: PRR G25, X40 and F37

Paul Koehler
 

Kevin:

 

Thank you for the car photos, I personally was getting very tired of the town names.

 

Paul C. Koehler

 


Re: [Funny names and pronounciationss

Chuck Soule
 

The Northern Pacific's Willipa Harbor Branch from Chehalis to South Bend, Washington had a flag stop way up at the top of the ridge called Pluvius.  The story is that original settler said he named it that because the first year he was there it rained 362 day, and the other three were damn cloudy!

Chuck Soule


PRR G25, X40 and F37

kevinhlafferty
 


Re: [Funny names and pronounciationss

Steve and Barb Hile
 

It is MAD-rid in Iowa, as well.  The Milwaukee just to pass through there and had a branch up to Boone that passed through my dad’s home town, Luther, which is pronounced totally normally!

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Scott H. Haycock
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 8:02 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] [Funny names and pronounciationss

 

Also, there is Madrid, NM, pronounced MAD rid. It's an old coal mining town that was on the Santa Fe.

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantment

On 04/19/2021 5:38 PM Brian Termunde via groups.io <gcrds@...> wrote:

 

 

Well there is also Truth or Consequences, NM! Not sure if any steam era freight cars went through there or not though.

Take Care,

 

Brian R. Termunde

Midvale, Utah

 

Re: [Funny names and pronounciationss
From: 
BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 11:44:31 PDT

 

Texas has them too

 

Dime Box (and Old Dime Box)

Cut n Shoot

Concan 

Bug Tussle

Thanks!

Brian Ehni 


Re: Hey here's an idea, let's talk about freight cars

Brian Termunde
 

Schuyler,
Thanks for the photos, especially the B&O flat in wheel service!

Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah


Re: [Funny names and pronounciationss

 

Made the Mississippi run backwards for a while. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Apr 19, 2021, at 8:31 PM, Robert J Miller CFA <cajonpass1995@...> wrote:


New Madrid, MO was the site in 1811 of the most powerful earthquake in the US east of the Rocky Mountains.


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...>
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 9:15:44 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] [Funny names and pronounciationss
 
Same as New Madrid, MO. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Apr 19, 2021, at 8:05 PM, Scott H. Haycock <shhaycock@...> wrote:


Also, there is Madrid, NM, pronounced MAD rid. It's an old coal mining town that was on the Santa Fe.

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent

On 04/19/2021 5:38 PM Brian Termunde via groups.io <gcrds@...> wrote:
 
 
Well there is also Truth or Consequences, NM! Not sure if any steam era freight cars went through there or not though.

Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah
 
Re: [Funny names and pronounciationss
From:  BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 11:44:31 PDT
 
Texas has them too
 
Dime Box (and Old Dime Box)
Cut n Shoot
Concan 
Bug Tussle

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 


Re: [Funny names and pronounciationss

Robert J Miller CFA
 

New Madrid, MO was the site in 1811 of the most powerful earthquake in the US east of the Rocky Mountains.


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...>
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 9:15:44 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] [Funny names and pronounciationss
 
Same as New Madrid, MO. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Apr 19, 2021, at 8:05 PM, Scott H. Haycock <shhaycock@...> wrote:


Also, there is Madrid, NM, pronounced MAD rid. It's an old coal mining town that was on the Santa Fe.

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent

On 04/19/2021 5:38 PM Brian Termunde via groups.io <gcrds@...> wrote:
 
 
Well there is also Truth or Consequences, NM! Not sure if any steam era freight cars went through there or not though.

Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah
 
Re: [Funny names and pronounciationss
From:  BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 11:44:31 PDT
 
Texas has them too
 
Dime Box (and Old Dime Box)
Cut n Shoot
Concan 
Bug Tussle

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 


Re: [Funny names and pronounciationss

 

Same as New Madrid, MO. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Apr 19, 2021, at 8:05 PM, Scott H. Haycock <shhaycock@...> wrote:


Also, there is Madrid, NM, pronounced MAD rid. It's an old coal mining town that was on the Santa Fe.

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent

On 04/19/2021 5:38 PM Brian Termunde via groups.io <gcrds@...> wrote:
 
 
Well there is also Truth or Consequences, NM! Not sure if any steam era freight cars went through there or not though.

Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah
 
Re: [Funny names and pronounciationss
From:  BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 11:44:31 PDT
 
Texas has them too
 
Dime Box (and Old Dime Box)
Cut n Shoot
Concan 
Bug Tussle

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 


Re: [Funny names and pronounciationss

Jim Gates
 

Earl Saunders, who was once a member of the model railroad club in Little Rock, used Argenta & Toad Suck Ferry for his home road. And lettered freight cars for the same.

Jim Gates
On Monday, April 19, 2021, 07:20:11 PM CDT, Steve SANDIFER <steve.sandifer@...> wrote:


I like Toad Suck, Arkansas, now a suburb of Conway.  No rail service today.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Termunde via groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 6:38 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] [Funny names and pronounciationss

 

Well there is also Truth or Consequences, NM! Not sure if any steam era freight cars went through there or not though.

Take Care,

 

Brian R. Termunde

Midvale, Utah

 

Re: [Funny names and pronounciationss
From: 
BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 11:44:31 PDT

Texas has them too

 

Dime Box (and Old Dime Box)

Cut n Shoot

Concan 

Bug Tussle

Thanks!

Brian Ehni 


Re: [Funny names and pronounciationss

Scott H. Haycock
 

Also, there is Madrid, NM, pronounced MAD rid. It's an old coal mining town that was on the Santa Fe.

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent

On 04/19/2021 5:38 PM Brian Termunde via groups.io <gcrds@...> wrote:
 
 
Well there is also Truth or Consequences, NM! Not sure if any steam era freight cars went through there or not though.

Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah
 
Re: [Funny names and pronounciationss
From:  BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 11:44:31 PDT
 
Texas has them too
 
Dime Box (and Old Dime Box)
Cut n Shoot
Concan 
Bug Tussle

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 

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