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Re: Photo: PRR Gondolas

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Bob and List Members,
 
I've spent quite a bit of time looking at this great photo. It was this photo (and others) that made it clear to be that even by 1929 most PRR class GS gons no longer had their as-built archbar trucks and had received cast frame trucks.
 
In N scale, the PRR class GS gon is possible, but it is quite a kitbash! See attached.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Gondolas

I like the nice, light weathering touch on most of these freight cars.  😊

 

BTW, I think I see a 28 or 29 weigh date on one of the GS gons; the cleanest looking one.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 10:51 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Gondolas

 

Photo: PRR Gondolas

A photo from the Hagley Digital Archives:

https://digital.hagley.org/1986268_0288

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photos: GATX/DuPont Tank Car 63321 (Circa 1940s)

kevinhlafferty
 

Time to pull out the way back machine. This may be a hopeless request, but in searching for additional info on these DuPont 3K gallon lead tank cars I found a reference to a May 1960 RMC article about scratch building a 3K gallon tank car by Chuck Youngkurth. The earliest RMCs I have are '64 and most on-line dealers believe these old magazines were printed on Unobtainium. Does anyone possibly remember this article and is it worth the cost of obtaining a copy?
Thanks,
Kevin Lafferty


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] whose grain car is this?

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Thank you, Tom!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Madden via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 2:02 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] whose grain car is this?

 

Caption says it's a barge.

Tom Madden


Re: whose grain car is this?

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Caption says that they are loading grain into a barge.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 12:58 PM
To: 'stmfc' <realstmfc@groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] whose grain car is this?

 

https://digital.hagley.org/AVD_2017206_075?solr_nav%5Bid%5D=aaddfe897c14a4c4acd4&solr_nav%5Bpage%5D=1&solr_nav%5Boffset%5D=2

 

Thanks!

 

Elden Gatwood

 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photos: Boxcar Cleaning Equipment

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Group;

 

From what I’ve been able to glean, this is PRR’s attempt at (or documentation of) more automated box car cleaning, in this case, for GN cars.

 

PRR was having a hard time absorbing costs from cleaning up cars arriving dirty inside, or with significant need after unloading, and was certainly looking for solutions.

 

It appears to be a spray bar arrangement on a pivot.  Maybe on a dedicated clean-out track with that track.  I know of nowhere on PRR that they had this.  Can anyone ID?

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 11:49 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photos: Boxcar Cleaning Equipment

 

Photos: Boxcar Cleaning Equipment

A photo from the Hagley Digital Archives:

https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_22175

https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_22173

Click on the photos to enlarge them.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: whose grain car is this?

Tom Madden
 

Caption says it's a barge.

Tom Madden


whose grain car is this?

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 


Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Welded reefer?

Bruce Smith
 

Richard,

 

Among the welded 40’ steam era reefers described in the archives are a batch of FGE cars circa 1947 described by Bill Welch.

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Richard Townsend via groups.io" <richtownsend@...>
Reply-To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 at 10:00 AM
To: "realstmfc@groups.io" <realstmfc@groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Welded reefer?

 

CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.

My off the wall question for today was triggered by a discussion with a friend. Were there any 40' steam era reefers with welded rather than riveted sides? We could not think of any.

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR


Re: Photo: DuPont Tank Cars (1940)

Eric Hansmann
 

It would be neat to get a better view of the Erie boxcar and the high walkway tank car four cars ahead of the Erie boxcar.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


On 04/20/2021 10:50 AM Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:


Personally, I thought the star of the show was ERIE 94547 in the middle of all those tank cars . . .  😊

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 11:50 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: DuPont Tank Cars (1940)


Photo: DuPont Tank Cars (1940)

A photo from the Hagley Digital Archives:

https://digital.hagley.org/1972341_0339

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

I wonder if a plastic model manufacture could figure out how to simulate the band going over the top rivet row as seen on car #317 without resorting to a separate piece for the band?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA





Re: Photo: DuPont Tank Cars (1940)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Personally, I thought the star of the show was ERIE 94547 in the middle of all those tank cars . . .  😊

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 11:50 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: DuPont Tank Cars (1940)

 

Photo: DuPont Tank Cars (1940)

A photo from the Hagley Digital Archives:

https://digital.hagley.org/1972341_0339

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

I wonder if a plastic model manufacture could figure out how to simulate the band going over the top rivet row as seen on car #317 without resorting to a separate piece for the band?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] High load - "NEED SPECIAL HANDLING?" NKP advertising

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I know that is one of the variations.  I suspect, for no good reason except I think I’ve seen a photo, the NH version is likely.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 12:19 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] High load - "NEED SPECIAL HANDLING?" NKP advertising

 

Schuyler;

 

Thanks for all that info!  I have a E&P model of that somewhere, but never painted.

 

The deck may be the giveaway…..

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 12:08 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] High load - "NEED SPECIAL HANDLING?" NKP advertising

 

Elden, I recognize that car, at least the general design, as a GSC 58’ depressed center flat.  It could indeed have been an ERIE car, 7260-7265, rated at 125 tons, but other railroads had these as well: NH, LV, NYC, plus (based on the information provided in the brass model by E&P about 1989) also with some possible variations the list includes

UP 50000

B&O

AT&SF

MKT

MP
SLSF

ACL

IC

SOO
SCL

SR

ICG

C&EI

 

Variations include roller bearing trucks

 

Geez, I’ve had this model for 30 years and it’s not painted yet??

 

Schuyler

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 10:30 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] High load - "NEED SPECIAL HANDLING?" NKP advertizing

 

Claus, Group;

 

I dug through my pics in depth, and could not locate this car, but I think it is not NKP (hence the airbrushed out lettering), but another road (like Erie or NYC maybe) that had the even spaced axle six-wheel trucks, that cut-out above the trucks, and that GSC cast body with ribs on the transition from lower deck to upper decks.

 

Can anyone help?

 

Thanks!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 6:09 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] High load - "NEED SPECIAL HANDLING?" NKP advertizing

 

Hi List Members,

 

High load - "NEED SPECIAL HANDLING?" NKP advertizing

 

Not clear whose depressed center flat that is.

 

 

More info below...

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] High load - "NEED SPECIAL HANDLING?" NKP advertising

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Schuyler;

 

Thanks for all that info!  I have a E&P model of that somewhere, but never painted.

 

The deck may be the giveaway…..

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 12:08 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] High load - "NEED SPECIAL HANDLING?" NKP advertising

 

Elden, I recognize that car, at least the general design, as a GSC 58’ depressed center flat.  It could indeed have been an ERIE car, 7260-7265, rated at 125 tons, but other railroads had these as well: NH, LV, NYC, plus (based on the information provided in the brass model by E&P about 1989) also with some possible variations the list includes

UP 50000

B&O

AT&SF

MKT

MP
SLSF

ACL

IC

SOO
SCL

SR

ICG

C&EI

 

Variations include roller bearing trucks

 

Geez, I’ve had this model for 30 years and it’s not painted yet??

 

Schuyler

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 10:30 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] High load - "NEED SPECIAL HANDLING?" NKP advertizing

 

Claus, Group;

 

I dug through my pics in depth, and could not locate this car, but I think it is not NKP (hence the airbrushed out lettering), but another road (like Erie or NYC maybe) that had the even spaced axle six-wheel trucks, that cut-out above the trucks, and that GSC cast body with ribs on the transition from lower deck to upper decks.

 

Can anyone help?

 

Thanks!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 6:09 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] High load - "NEED SPECIAL HANDLING?" NKP advertizing

 

Hi List Members,

 

High load - "NEED SPECIAL HANDLING?" NKP advertizing

 

Not clear whose depressed center flat that is.

 

 

More info below...

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] High load - "NEED SPECIAL HANDLING?" NKP advertizing

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Mike;

 

The trucks look right, and the notch above the truck, but the deck looks different.  I wonder if they could have changed it?

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schleigh Mike via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 12:04 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] High load - "NEED SPECIAL HANDLING?" NKP advertizing

 

Hello Elden & Group!

 

I think the ERIE 7210 qualifies as a possibility.  See attached.

 

Regards from Grove City (easily correctly pronounced), Penna.   Mike Schleigh

 

On Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 10:30:49 AM EDT, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

 

 

Claus, Group;

 

I dug through my pics in depth, and could not locate this car, but I think it is not NKP (hence the airbrushed out lettering), but another road (like Erie or NYC maybe) that had the even spaced axle six-wheel trucks, that cut-out above the trucks, and that GSC cast body with ribs on the transition from lower deck to upper decks.

 

Can anyone help?

 

Thanks!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 6:09 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] High load - "NEED SPECIAL HANDLING?" NKP advertizing

 

Hi List Members,

 

High load - "NEED SPECIAL HANDLING?" NKP advertizing

 

Not clear whose depressed center flat that is.

 

 

More info below...

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


Re: Photo: PRR Gondolas

Eric Hansmann
 

I like the nice, light weathering touch on most of these freight cars.  😊

 

BTW, I think I see a 28 or 29 weigh date on one of the GS gons; the cleanest looking one.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 10:51 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Gondolas

 

Photo: PRR Gondolas

A photo from the Hagley Digital Archives:

https://digital.hagley.org/1986268_0288

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] High load - "NEED SPECIAL HANDLING?" NKP advertising

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Elden, I recognize that car, at least the general design, as a GSC 58’ depressed center flat.  It could indeed have been an ERIE car, 7260-7265, rated at 125 tons, but other railroads had these as well: NH, LV, NYC, plus (based on the information provided in the brass model by E&P about 1989) also with some possible variations the list includes

UP 50000

B&O

AT&SF

MKT

MP
SLSF

ACL

IC

SOO
SCL

SR

ICG

C&EI

 

Variations include roller bearing trucks

 

Geez, I’ve had this model for 30 years and it’s not painted yet??

 

Schuyler

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 10:30 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] High load - "NEED SPECIAL HANDLING?" NKP advertizing

 

Claus, Group;

 

I dug through my pics in depth, and could not locate this car, but I think it is not NKP (hence the airbrushed out lettering), but another road (like Erie or NYC maybe) that had the even spaced axle six-wheel trucks, that cut-out above the trucks, and that GSC cast body with ribs on the transition from lower deck to upper decks.

 

Can anyone help?

 

Thanks!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 6:09 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] High load - "NEED SPECIAL HANDLING?" NKP advertizing

 

Hi List Members,

 

High load - "NEED SPECIAL HANDLING?" NKP advertizing

 

Not clear whose depressed center flat that is.

 

 

More info below...

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] High load - "NEED SPECIAL HANDLING?" NKP advertizing

Schleigh Mike
 

Hello Elden & Group!

I think the ERIE 7210 qualifies as a possibility.  See attached.

Regards from Grove City (easily correctly pronounced), Penna.   Mike Schleigh

On Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 10:30:49 AM EDT, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:


Claus, Group;

 

I dug through my pics in depth, and could not locate this car, but I think it is not NKP (hence the airbrushed out lettering), but another road (like Erie or NYC maybe) that had the even spaced axle six-wheel trucks, that cut-out above the trucks, and that GSC cast body with ribs on the transition from lower deck to upper decks.

 

Can anyone help?

 

Thanks!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 6:09 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] High load - "NEED SPECIAL HANDLING?" NKP advertizing

 

Hi List Members,

 

High load - "NEED SPECIAL HANDLING?" NKP advertizing

 

Not clear whose depressed center flat that is.

 

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/bmQAAOSwbZJZpjmH/s-l1600.jpg

 

More info below...

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/333123937766

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


Photo: NYC Pacemaker Boxcars (1949)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: NYC Pacemaker Boxcars (1949)

A photo from the Hagley Digital Archives:

https://digital.hagley.org/PC20110307_471

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photos: Reading Gondolas

Bob Chaparro
 

Photos: Reading Gondolas

A photo from the Hagley Digital Archives:

https://digital.hagley.org/1986268_0225

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

One car is 29035.

A second photo of 28407

https://digital.hagley.org/1986268_0224

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: PRR Gondolas

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: PRR Gondolas

A photo from the Hagley Digital Archives:

https://digital.hagley.org/1986268_0288

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: GN Boxcar

Bruce Smith
 

Phillip,

You're a few decades too late. The pallet as we know it, along with the fork-lift, were invented in the 1920s. By 1925, the pallet included bottom planks.
Palletized material was part of the Allied logistics stragegy in WWII.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Philip Dove <philipdove22@...>
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 10:20 AM
To: John Barry <northbaylines@...>; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] GN Boxcar
 
CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.
I don't know about the Uniforms, but do the pallets or skids by the car date things. I thought pallets came with fork lift trucks and Iso containers after the second World War? 

Sent from my Huawei phone


-------- Original message --------
From: John Barry <northbaylines@...>
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021, 22:28
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] GN Boxcar
Garth,

I have to agree with you and Brian on the fellow in khakis.  The MP armband is a dead giveaway.  Joint Army-Navy or Army-CG patrols were often used in WWII.  It helped defuse things when busting up brawls as the joint groups weren't seen as taking sides the way a strictly SP or MP detail could be by brawlers from the opposite service.  There's also documentation that joint teams were used on passenger trains during the war.  

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696 






On Sunday, April 18, 2021, 04:45:59 PM EDT, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:


Brian and Paul,

Since the photo was found at the bottom of a Coast Guard file cabinet, I tend to agree with Brian. Also consider that the Coast Guard was heavily involved in both port safety and port security during WWII.

Both officers and enlisted men wore the same uniforms as the Navy, except for insignia and sometimes the "Donald Duck" hat for junior enlisteds (but also the Navy "Dixie Cup", you see in the photo). All I can really tell you about the SP facing the camera is that he is a second class, though his specialty is unclear. Chief Petty Officers and officers usually wore Navy khakis.

Now that I have your attention, I will share a story about legendary Coast Guard Captain Higby (later promoted to Admiral upon his retirement). He was, IIRC, head of port security in Long Beach/Los Angeles during WWII. Higby could be a terror. Once he was inspecting a bridge with one of his subordinates who was responsible for that structure. Sitting right on the bridge was a box clearly marked as dynamite. Higby pointed out the box with great indignation, then drew his .45 and put a bullet right through the box. His subordinate officer almost fainted. The box was, of course, empty and had been placed there by Captain Higby just to make a point. 

I knew Admiral Higby slightly. He used to wander around the District Office in Long Beach in his very senior years (like 85 or something). He often used the restroom outside my office to change into swimming trunks and a bathrobe before going down to the shore for a dip. He was quite a character.

Now let's get back to boxcars.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 12:20 PM Paul Koehler <koehlers@...> wrote:

Brian:

 

Look again, I believe that’s two Coast Guard SP’s and a Coast Guard Officer.

 

Paul; C. Koehler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 6:45 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] GN Boxcar

 

And Army MP (Military Police) and two Navy SPs (Shore Police) by the look of it.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Sunday, April 18, 2021 at 6:43 AM
To: realSTMFC <RealSTMFC@groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] GN Boxcar

 

Friends,

 

While scanning my prints I came upon this interesting photo of a GN boxcar. I found the faded original in a file when I was assigned to the Coast Guard District 11 headquarters in Long Beach. I presume that these are Coast Guardsmen, the photo is from the Los Angeles harbor area, and was taken during WWII.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆

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