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Box Car flooring question

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Group;

 

Is this “Dowel-Loc” flooring?

 

https://digital.hagley.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A2364551/datastream/OBJ/view

 

I have been trying to figure out that story.

 

I imagine some debris collected in the holes that required occasional cleaning.  Big vacuum cleaner!

 

Elden Gatwood


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photos: Boxcar Cleaning Equipment

Staffan Ehnbom
 

Both photos are of GN35381, a 50' double door box car, judging by the writing on the inside of the doors.

Staffan Ehnbom

On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 1:54 AM Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Grain?  Flour?  Rough lumber?

 

Two GN cars?

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mel perry
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 7:27 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photos: Boxcar Cleaning Equipment

 

gives rise to the question, what was the

last load, and what load was intended for

loading, that required an interior wash down? especially since one of the cars

is a GN boxcar

just thinking out loud

;-)


Re: Photos: GATX/DuPont Tank Car 63321 (Circa 1940s)

Allan Smith
 

I have a copy of RMC May 1960. As soon as I can I will dig it out and send a copy of the article. It will be a few days as I am helping wire a house for a backup generator, should finish tomorrow. I can have the copy to you by Thursday. If you will send me your Email address I will send it directly to you.

Al Smith
Sonora CA
Smithal9@...


On Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 01:27:33 PM PDT, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:


Kevin Lafferty asked:
"Time to pull out the way back machine. This may be a hopeless request, but in searching for additional info on these DuPont 3K gallon lead yank cars I found a reference to a May 1960 RMC article about scratch building a 3K gallon tank car by Chuck [Yungkurth]. The earliest RMCs I have are '64 and most on-line dealers believe these old magazines were printed on Unobtainium. Does anyone possibly remember this article and is it worth the cost of obtaining a copy?"

eBay turned up two listings for the May 1960 RMC:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Railroad-Model-Craftsman-Magazine-May-1960-RMC-Plate-Girder-Bridges/184663096667 ($7.95 + shipping)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Railroad-Model-Craftsman-Magazine-1960-May-RMC-Plate-girder-bridges-3000-Gal-tan/392873236750  ($5 + shipping)


Ben Hom






Re: URTX/Milw Reefer Survivor

Lloyd Keyser
 

Hope this gets preserved. LK

On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 7:32 PM Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Reweigh date looks like 44. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Apr 20, 2021, at 8:15 PM, Bob Chapman <chapbob4014@...> wrote:


Gregg Condon forwarded these recent photos of this URTX/Milw wooden reefer in Winona, Minn., serving as a storage shed, and until recently hidden under falsework siding. 
 
Here's the backstory, In Gregg's words:
 
"Railfanning is wayyy fun, especially when you discover the wayyy unexpected. Pat and I were driving down a street in Winona. We passed an old business building just as a couple guys finished tearing the end off an old shed and I saw it was lettered "URTX." I sez to Pat in a frenzy, "Go around the block!" We went back and she shot the attached pix with her phone. Dark cloudy day, but you can see that perhaps 80 to 90 years ago somebody had nailed two-by-two batts to a wooden refrigerator car and nailed siding over that. Built date is 1920. Interesting to see the preserved true paint colors from that era."
 
Regards,
Bob Chapman
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Re: URTX/Milw Reefer Survivor

Brian Carlson
 

Reweigh date looks like 44. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Apr 20, 2021, at 8:15 PM, Bob Chapman <chapbob4014@...> wrote:


Gregg Condon forwarded these recent photos of this URTX/Milw wooden reefer in Winona, Minn., serving as a storage shed, and until recently hidden under falsework siding. 
 
Here's the backstory, In Gregg's words:
 
"Railfanning is wayyy fun, especially when you discover the wayyy unexpected. Pat and I were driving down a street in Winona. We passed an old business building just as a couple guys finished tearing the end off an old shed and I saw it was lettered "URTX." I sez to Pat in a frenzy, "Go around the block!" We went back and she shot the attached pix with her phone. Dark cloudy day, but you can see that perhaps 80 to 90 years ago somebody had nailed two-by-two batts to a wooden refrigerator car and nailed siding over that. Built date is 1920. Interesting to see the preserved true paint colors from that era."
 
Regards,
Bob Chapman
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Re: [Funny names and pronounciationss

George Kristy
 

Oh my goodness, you guys with your funny names are so funny, I can't stand it :)


Re: URTX/Milw Reefer Survivor

Dave Parker
 

If I'm reading the stencil right, the last reweigh was in 1944?  So, retirement from interchange might have been a bit later?
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: [Funny names and pronounciationss

George Eichelberger
 

Could someone please explain what this endless thread has to do with steam era freight cars?

Ike


Re: URTX/Milw Reefer Survivor

mel perry
 

wonder what happened to it?
;-)


On Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 5:15 PM Bob Chapman <chapbob4014@...> wrote:
Gregg Condon forwarded these recent photos of this URTX/Milw wooden reefer in Winona, Minn., serving as a storage shed, and until recently hidden under falsework siding. 
 
Here's the backstory, In Gregg's words:
 
"Railfanning is wayyy fun, especially when you discover the wayyy unexpected. Pat and I were driving down a street in Winona. We passed an old business building just as a couple guys finished tearing the end off an old shed and I saw it was lettered "URTX." I sez to Pat in a frenzy, "Go around the block!" We went back and she shot the attached pix with her phone. Dark cloudy day, but you can see that perhaps 80 to 90 years ago somebody had nailed two-by-two batts to a wooden refrigerator car and nailed siding over that. Built date is 1920. Interesting to see the preserved true paint colors from that era."
 
Regards,
Bob Chapman

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URTX/Milw Reefer Survivor

Bob Chapman
 

Gregg Condon forwarded these recent photos of this URTX/Milw wooden reefer in Winona, Minn., serving as a storage shed, and until recently hidden under falsework siding. 
 
Here's the backstory, In Gregg's words:
 
"Railfanning is wayyy fun, especially when you discover the wayyy unexpected. Pat and I were driving down a street in Winona. We passed an old business building just as a couple guys finished tearing the end off an old shed and I saw it was lettered "URTX." I sez to Pat in a frenzy, "Go around the block!" We went back and she shot the attached pix with her phone. Dark cloudy day, but you can see that perhaps 80 to 90 years ago somebody had nailed two-by-two batts to a wooden refrigerator car and nailed siding over that. Built date is 1920. Interesting to see the preserved true paint colors from that era."
 
Regards,
Bob Chapman


Re: Gulf Mobile & Ohio RR Boxcar #9047, a 50ft auto box, dated 1950

Vera Mills
 

Hello Claus,
My apology, I must have been on auto pilot due to Bob's many postings of photographs.
Thanks for your best wishes.  It seems that the kit is a can of worms with a lot of work required with roof, ends and doors to correct it.
Regards,
Glen


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photos: Boxcar Cleaning Equipment

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Grain?  Flour?  Rough lumber?

 

Two GN cars?

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mel perry
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 7:27 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photos: Boxcar Cleaning Equipment

 

gives rise to the question, what was the

last load, and what load was intended for

loading, that required an interior wash down? especially since one of the cars

is a GN boxcar

just thinking out loud

;-)


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photos: Boxcar Cleaning Equipment

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

I’d guess there was still the manual labor of  sweeping and digging stuff out of cracks.

 

A cruder version of this on the PRR showed a guy using it like a multi-aperture hose.  More like washing than a power wash.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Philip Dove
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 7:08 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photos: Boxcar Cleaning Equipment

 

How would it sweep or clean past the door apertures?

 

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On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 at 19:05, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Group;

 

From what I’ve been able to glean, this is PRR’s attempt at (or documentation of) more automated box car cleaning, in this case, for GN cars.

 

PRR was having a hard time absorbing costs from cleaning up cars arriving dirty inside, or with significant need after unloading, and was certainly looking for solutions.

 

It appears to be a spray bar arrangement on a pivot.  Maybe on a dedicated clean-out track with that track.  I know of nowhere on PRR that they had this.  Can anyone ID?

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 11:49 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photos: Boxcar Cleaning Equipment

 

Photos: Boxcar Cleaning Equipment

A photo from the Hagley Digital Archives:

https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_22175

https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_22173

Click on the photos to enlarge them.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photos: Boxcar Cleaning Equipment

mel perry
 

gives rise to the question, what was the
last load, and what load was intended for
loading, that required an interior wash down? especially since one of the cars
is a GN boxcar
just thinking out loud
;-)


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photos: Boxcar Cleaning Equipment

Philip Dove
 

How would it sweep or clean past the door apertures?

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On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 at 19:05, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Group;

 

From what I’ve been able to glean, this is PRR’s attempt at (or documentation of) more automated box car cleaning, in this case, for GN cars.

 

PRR was having a hard time absorbing costs from cleaning up cars arriving dirty inside, or with significant need after unloading, and was certainly looking for solutions.

 

It appears to be a spray bar arrangement on a pivot.  Maybe on a dedicated clean-out track with that track.  I know of nowhere on PRR that they had this.  Can anyone ID?

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 11:49 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photos: Boxcar Cleaning Equipment

 

Photos: Boxcar Cleaning Equipment

A photo from the Hagley Digital Archives:

https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_22175

https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_22173

Click on the photos to enlarge them.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: [Funny names and pronounciationss

Tony Thompson
 

Dave Lawler wrote:

How about LYE-ma, Ohio, home of the famous locomotive works, and LEE-ma, Peru.

Well, hey, it's a LYE-ma bean, after all. <g>

Tony Thompson




Re: GN Boxcar

Tony Thompson
 

Philip Dove wrote:

I don't know about the Uniforms, but do the pallets or skids by the car date things. I thought pallets came with fork lift trucks and Iso containers after the second World War? 

Bruce Smith is right, pallets and lift trucks considerably pre-date WW II, but it was the experience of so many military folks with that system that hugely expanded its use after the War. 

Tony Thompson




Re: [Funny names and pronounciationss

Brian Termunde
 

I'm planning on modeling it's Milwaukee neighbor's line to Raymond with barge service to South Bend.

Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah

Re: [Funny names and pronounciationss
From: Chuck Soule
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 22:59:38 PDT
The Northern Pacific's Willipa Harbor Branch from Chehalis to South Bend, Washington had a flag stop way up at the top of the ridge called Pluvius.  The story is that original settler said he named it that because the first year he was there it rained 362 day, and the other three were damn cloudy!

Chuck Soule


Re: [Funny names and pronounciationss

Rod Miller
 

South of Coeur D' Alene (locals say CDA) on U.S. 95, two places/towns next to each other are named Tensed (was Temsed) and De Smet.


Re: Photos: GATX/DuPont Tank Car 63321 (Circa 1940s)

earlyrail
 

Walk over the my library and pulled it out.
No photos.  Basic drawing without dimensions.
Wood dowel construction.
Painted for a fictitious company

Still interested I will scan and send a copy

Howard Garner

5061 - 5080 of 188699