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Re: Photo: New Haven Gondola X-598

Tony Thompson
 

Actually the car number is 60610. Excellent collection of chalk marks!

Tony Thompson




an image of a PM ds boxcar in 1907 Philadelphia PA

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
While we could wish for a little better resolution, an image of a PM ds boxcar in 1907 Philadelphia PA
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: Box Car flooring question

Jack Mullen
 

On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 05:06 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

Is this “Dowel-Loc” flooring?

 

https://digital.hagley.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A2364551/datastream/OBJ/view

No, not as far as I can tell.*
Doweloc ( I think that's the correct spelling of the trade name) was a wood flooring product in the form of laminated planks 12" wide, made of narrow tongue-and-grooved strips pressed together and fastened with metal dowels. AFAIK, Doweloc flooring for railcars was introduced in the mid-50s.
What we see in this photo is a wood floor covered with perforated steel protection plates. Standard Railway Equipment Manufacturing Co. was one maker. The holes served several purposes, making a non-skid surface, nailable, and lighter. These plates were commonly installed in the doorway area, less commonly over the entire floor, as here. These plates seem to have been introduced in the 30s, becoming common after WW2, with increased use of forklifts.
The plates were thin, 1/8" or less, so sweeping fairly clean really wasn't a big deal. I do remember some cars in company material service after several decades in revenue use where an accumulation of dust, dirt and grit had worked in between the plates and the underlying wood floor.
I have to admit that I'm missing something in the response implying the car isn't suitable for grain. I get that it's a joke, but I miss the point.
And maybe I'm having a deja vu moment, but didn't this topic come up a year ago?

Jack Mullen


Re: Photos: GATX/DuPont Tank Car 63321 (Circa 1940s)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Well, Kevin, looks like you probably have scans of the article by Chuck Yungkurth.   But if you are still looking, I brought home a copy of the magazine from the North Shore club’s library last night.  As others said, only a scale drawing and a 1960’s version of how to scratchbuild the model, all wood and paper.  I’m sure the model you build will be enormously better (no disrespect to Chuck – he did the best possible in – lily – 1959 or so) and we all look forward to seeing photos of the results in . . . say . . . sometime in July??  😊

 

N.B., the copy I have is in a bound volume, so some distortion would be likely.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Allan Smith
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 10:45 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: GATX/DuPont Tank Car 63321 (Circa 1940s)

 

I have a copy of RMC May 1960. As soon as I can I will dig it out and send a copy of the article. It will be a few days as I am helping wire a house for a backup generator, should finish tomorrow. I can have the copy to you by Thursday. If you will send me your Email address I will send it directly to you.

 

Al Smith

Sonora CA

Smithal9@...

 

 

On Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 01:27:33 PM PDT, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

 

 

Kevin Lafferty asked:
"Time to pull out the way back machine. This may be a hopeless request, but in searching for additional info on these DuPont 3K gallon lead yank cars I found a reference to a May 1960 RMC article about scratch building a 3K gallon tank car by Chuck [Yungkurth]. The earliest RMCs I have are '64 and most on-line dealers believe these old magazines were printed on Unobtainium. Does anyone possibly remember this article and is it worth the cost of obtaining a copy?"

eBay turned up two listings for the May 1960 RMC:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Railroad-Model-Craftsman-Magazine-May-1960-RMC-Plate-Girder-Bridges/184663096667 ($7.95 + shipping)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Railroad-Model-Craftsman-Magazine-1960-May-RMC-Plate-girder-bridges-3000-Gal-tan/392873236750  ($5 + shipping)


Ben Hom





Re: Photo: PRR Gondolas

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Impressive kitbash in the Nearly iNvisble scale!

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 3:44 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Gondolas

 

Hi Bob and List Members,

 

I've spent quite a bit of time looking at this great photo. It was this photo (and others) that made it clear to be that even by 1929 most PRR class GS gons no longer had their as-built archbar trucks and had received cast frame trucks.

 

In N scale, the PRR class GS gon is possible, but it is quite a kitbash! See attached.

 

Claus Schlund

 

 

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Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 12:17 PM

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Gondolas

 

I like the nice, light weathering touch on most of these freight cars.  😊

 

BTW, I think I see a 28 or 29 weigh date on one of the GS gons; the cleanest looking one.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 10:51 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Gondolas

 

Photo: PRR Gondolas

A photo from the Hagley Digital Archives:

https://digital.hagley.org/1986268_0288

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: MDT Reefer 16883

gary laakso
 

Great picture!  What are the padlock shaped devices on only one side of each ladder?

 

Gary Laakso

North west of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2021 9:45 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: MDT Reefer 16883

 

Photo: MDT Reefer 16883

Photo courtesy of Mike Robbins on Flickr:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/alcomike/40496560693/in/album-72157631664600097/

He writes:

“Merchants Despatch Refrigerator Line (MDT) wooden ice activated Reefer # 16883 (refrigerated box car) is seen at an unknown New Haven Railroad yard location, ca late 1930's.”

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: New Haven Gondola X-598

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: New Haven Gondola X-598

Photo courtesy of Mike Robbins on Flickr:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/alcomike/50852954007/in/album-72157631664600097/

Spotted at a Gulf Oil Corporation building in the early 1950s.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: MDT Reefer 16883

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: MDT Reefer 16883

Photo courtesy of Mike Robbins on Flickr:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/alcomike/40496560693/in/album-72157631664600097/

He writes:

“Merchants Despatch Refrigerator Line (MDT) wooden ice activated Reefer # 16883 (refrigerated box car) is seen at an unknown New Haven Railroad yard location, ca late 1930's.”

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Like A Desk Job Without The Desk

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Like A Desk Job Without The Desk

Photo courtesy of Mike Robbins on Flickr:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/alcomike/50435189753/in/album-72157631664600097/

He writes:

“New Haven Railroad employee is seen while oiling journal bearings on a New Haven Railroad gondola # 60610, along with other cars as they pass by his location in the yard, ca 1940's.

The name of the photographer that captured this image on film is Charles B. Gunn.”

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: New Haven Boxcar 31519

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: New Haven Boxcar 31519

Photo courtesy of Mike Robbins on Flickr:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/alcomike/50712834342/in/album-72157631664600097/

His comments:

“New Haven Railroad box car 31519, a 30000 series box car of 6,000 ordered in 1941 by the railroad, is seen in a yard in Providence, Rhode Is, 1956. Forty Foot Box Car 31519 class XM was built by Pullman Standard in the group of cars 31000 to 32999 in 1944. During the 1950's a good number of this series of box cars were sold to a leasing company, and they were refurbished, then leased back to the New Haven Railroad wearing one of the McGinnis era paint schemes.

The name of the photographer that captured this image is David R. Sweetland.”

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Box Car flooring question

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Fritz, you made my day!

 

I won’t stop smiling!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Fritz Milhaupt via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2021 11:12 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Box Car flooring question

 

Woe betide the man who accidentally sends this car to a grain elevator for loading...

-Fritz Milhaupt


Re: Box Car flooring question

Fritz Milhaupt
 

Woe betide the man who accidentally sends this car to a grain elevator for loading...

-Fritz Milhaupt


Re: URTX/Milw Reefer Survivor

Andy Laurent
 

I saw the end of that car poking out in what looked like an alley in downtown Winona last fall.  Interesting to see that it has come into the light!

Andy L.
Madison, WI


Box Car flooring question

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Group;

 

Is this “Dowel-Loc” flooring?

 

https://digital.hagley.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A2364551/datastream/OBJ/view

 

I have been trying to figure out that story.

 

I imagine some debris collected in the holes that required occasional cleaning.  Big vacuum cleaner!

 

Elden Gatwood


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photos: Boxcar Cleaning Equipment

Staffan Ehnbom
 

Both photos are of GN35381, a 50' double door box car, judging by the writing on the inside of the doors.

Staffan Ehnbom

On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 1:54 AM Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Grain?  Flour?  Rough lumber?

 

Two GN cars?

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mel perry
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 7:27 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photos: Boxcar Cleaning Equipment

 

gives rise to the question, what was the

last load, and what load was intended for

loading, that required an interior wash down? especially since one of the cars

is a GN boxcar

just thinking out loud

;-)


Re: Photos: GATX/DuPont Tank Car 63321 (Circa 1940s)

Allan Smith
 

I have a copy of RMC May 1960. As soon as I can I will dig it out and send a copy of the article. It will be a few days as I am helping wire a house for a backup generator, should finish tomorrow. I can have the copy to you by Thursday. If you will send me your Email address I will send it directly to you.

Al Smith
Sonora CA
Smithal9@...


On Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 01:27:33 PM PDT, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:


Kevin Lafferty asked:
"Time to pull out the way back machine. This may be a hopeless request, but in searching for additional info on these DuPont 3K gallon lead yank cars I found a reference to a May 1960 RMC article about scratch building a 3K gallon tank car by Chuck [Yungkurth]. The earliest RMCs I have are '64 and most on-line dealers believe these old magazines were printed on Unobtainium. Does anyone possibly remember this article and is it worth the cost of obtaining a copy?"

eBay turned up two listings for the May 1960 RMC:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Railroad-Model-Craftsman-Magazine-May-1960-RMC-Plate-Girder-Bridges/184663096667 ($7.95 + shipping)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Railroad-Model-Craftsman-Magazine-1960-May-RMC-Plate-girder-bridges-3000-Gal-tan/392873236750  ($5 + shipping)


Ben Hom






Re: URTX/Milw Reefer Survivor

Lloyd Keyser
 

Hope this gets preserved. LK

On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 7:32 PM Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Reweigh date looks like 44. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Apr 20, 2021, at 8:15 PM, Bob Chapman <chapbob4014@...> wrote:


Gregg Condon forwarded these recent photos of this URTX/Milw wooden reefer in Winona, Minn., serving as a storage shed, and until recently hidden under falsework siding. 
 
Here's the backstory, In Gregg's words:
 
"Railfanning is wayyy fun, especially when you discover the wayyy unexpected. Pat and I were driving down a street in Winona. We passed an old business building just as a couple guys finished tearing the end off an old shed and I saw it was lettered "URTX." I sez to Pat in a frenzy, "Go around the block!" We went back and she shot the attached pix with her phone. Dark cloudy day, but you can see that perhaps 80 to 90 years ago somebody had nailed two-by-two batts to a wooden refrigerator car and nailed siding over that. Built date is 1920. Interesting to see the preserved true paint colors from that era."
 
Regards,
Bob Chapman
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Re: URTX/Milw Reefer Survivor

Brian Carlson
 

Reweigh date looks like 44. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Apr 20, 2021, at 8:15 PM, Bob Chapman <chapbob4014@...> wrote:


Gregg Condon forwarded these recent photos of this URTX/Milw wooden reefer in Winona, Minn., serving as a storage shed, and until recently hidden under falsework siding. 
 
Here's the backstory, In Gregg's words:
 
"Railfanning is wayyy fun, especially when you discover the wayyy unexpected. Pat and I were driving down a street in Winona. We passed an old business building just as a couple guys finished tearing the end off an old shed and I saw it was lettered "URTX." I sez to Pat in a frenzy, "Go around the block!" We went back and she shot the attached pix with her phone. Dark cloudy day, but you can see that perhaps 80 to 90 years ago somebody had nailed two-by-two batts to a wooden refrigerator car and nailed siding over that. Built date is 1920. Interesting to see the preserved true paint colors from that era."
 
Regards,
Bob Chapman
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Re: [Funny names and pronounciationss

George Kristy
 

Oh my goodness, you guys with your funny names are so funny, I can't stand it :)


Re: URTX/Milw Reefer Survivor

Dave Parker
 

If I'm reading the stencil right, the last reweigh was in 1944?  So, retirement from interchange might have been a bit later?
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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA

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