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Re: Photo: NYC Boxcar 170338

Steve and Barb Hile
 

What intrigued me most about this photo was the photographer cites - Clarence Woodrow Sorenson.  I only knew C W Sorenson as “Woody” when he was President of Augustana College in Rock Island in the late 60’s and early 70’s.  Apparently he was more a renaissance man than I appreciated at the time.  He was a CBS correspondent in Mexico in 1940, his PhD was in Geography, he travelled the world and authored text books in the subject.  His widow apparently donated his photo collection to the American Geographic Society which placed them with the University of Wisconsin at Milwaukee.

 

He was a good photographer.

 

Steve Hile 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ed Hawkins
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2021 4:23 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: NYC Boxcar 170338

 

 



On Apr 23, 2021, at 2:24 PM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

 

The NYC boxcar bears a KC 5-57 weigh location and date stencil near the weigh data. Near the end of the bottom door track is the BLT 9-56 stencil. Additionally, the large shadow keystone emblem on the Pennsy boxcar came into use in 1954.

 

That narrows the timeframe a bit. 

 

Eric Hansmann

 

Eric, George, and Bob,

Concur with the NYC box car 5-57 reweigh stencils, however, the build date that’s difficult to read is 9-50. The NYC 170338 in question was one of 1,500 PS-1s built in Pullman-Standard lot 5965, series NYC 169000-170499, NYC Lot 798-B, built ca. 7-9/1950. The first 750 cars came with Superior 7-panel doors while the last 750 cars received Youngstown doors. 

 

In the view, the Pullman-Standard builder badge is barely visible directly under the side grab near the “A” end & therefore the car was still in original paint. Zooming the photo shows a clear demarcation just outboard of the vertical rivets connecting the “B” end to the side denoting black car cement on the end. The dark roof seam caps with sunlight coming from behind the photographer also indicate the roof received black car cement.

 

Regarding HO models, Kadee’s #4100 PS-1 body is accurate for this NYC car except for the push-pole pockets that other than 5,000 NYC PS-1s were relatively uncommon on PS-1 box cars; the short sections of steel plates welded to the side sills to which the sill steps were attached; those pesky roping staples that were reasonably common on PS-1 box cars.

 

Regarding the photo date, another car in view to help further narrow the “1934-1969 photo date" is the Burlington 40’ box car coupled behind the Santa Fe box car. While I cannot read the car number, it’s the Chinese Red scheme in which the earliest cars so-painted that I’ve come across were built in 1-58. This information along with what appears to be a deciduous tree with leaves at the far left edge gives me reason to estimate the photo taken at Bloomington, Wisconsin, was about May 1958 or later.

 

Bob - thank you for locating this photo on the UMW web site & posting to the STMFC. 

 

Regards,

Ed Hawkins


Re: Photo: Unloading Can Stock (1948)

CJ Riley <cjriley42@...>
 


I hate to nit pick but I believe they are going to unload cans, not can stock, which is the raw material for cans usually in a cup or roll.



Re: Photo: NYC Boxcar 170338

Ed Hawkins
 



On Apr 23, 2021, at 2:24 PM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

The NYC boxcar bears a KC 5-57 weigh location and date stencil near the weigh data. Near the end of the bottom door track is the BLT 9-56 stencil. Additionally, the large shadow keystone emblem on the Pennsy boxcar came into use in 1954.
 
That narrows the timeframe a bit. 
 
Eric Hansmann

Eric, George, and Bob,
Concur with the NYC box car 5-57 reweigh stencils, however, the build date that’s difficult to read is 9-50. The NYC 170338 in question was one of 1,500 PS-1s built in Pullman-Standard lot 5965, series NYC 169000-170499, NYC Lot 798-B, built ca. 7-9/1950. The first 750 cars came with Superior 7-panel doors while the last 750 cars received Youngstown doors. 

In the view, the Pullman-Standard builder badge is barely visible directly under the side grab near the “A” end & therefore the car was still in original paint. Zooming the photo shows a clear demarcation just outboard of the vertical rivets connecting the “B” end to the side denoting black car cement on the end. The dark roof seam caps with sunlight coming from behind the photographer also indicate the roof received black car cement.

Regarding HO models, Kadee’s #4100 PS-1 body is accurate for this NYC car except for the push-pole pockets that other than 5,000 NYC PS-1s were relatively uncommon on PS-1 box cars; the short sections of steel plates welded to the side sills to which the sill steps were attached; those pesky roping staples that were reasonably common on PS-1 box cars.

Regarding the photo date, another car in view to help further narrow the “1934-1969 photo date" is the Burlington 40’ box car coupled behind the Santa Fe box car. While I cannot read the car number, it’s the Chinese Red scheme in which the earliest cars so-painted that I’ve come across were built in 1-58. This information along with what appears to be a deciduous tree with leaves at the far left edge gives me reason to estimate the photo taken at Bloomington, Wisconsin, was about May 1958 or later.

Bob - thank you for locating this photo on the UMW web site & posting to the STMFC. 

Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: SP steel gondola in a PRR maintenance yard in Philadelphia in 1920

Tony Thompson
 

Claus Schlund wrote:

We get to see an SP steel gondola in a PRR maintenance yard in Philadelphia in 1920
 

The SP car number begins with 537, which makes it a Class G-50-3 car, built by Pressed Steel Car in the fall of 1913. It's a drop-bottom car, and no longer has the T-section trucks with which it was delivered. Can anyone read what is on the wood placard board on the car sides?

Tony Thompson




SP steel gondola in a PRR maintenance yard in Philadelphia in 1920

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi List Members,
 
We get to see an SP steel gondola in a PRR maintenance yard in Philadelphia in 1920
 
This gon is a long way from home!
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 


PRR RF and R7 reefers in 1917...

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi List Members,
 
PRR 'UNION LINE' class RF reefers in 1917...
 
 
 
PRR RF and R7 reefers in 1917...
 
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: Photo: Unloading Can Stock (1948)

earlyrail
 

Unloading cans, not can stock.
Can stock would be flat sheets.

Howard Garner


Re: Photo: NYC Boxcar 170338

Eric Hansmann
 

The NYC boxcar bears a KC 5-57 weigh location and date stencil near the weigh data. Near the end of the bottom door track is the BLT 9-56 stencil. Additionally, the large shadow keystone emblem on the Pennsy boxcar came into use in 1954.

 

That narrows the timeframe a bit.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of George Courtney via groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2021 1:47 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: NYC Boxcar 170338

 

Can't help myself.  The photo's date is between 1934 and 1969,.  Well, that narrows it down.  Looking at the Pennsy boxcar, I'd say, 1954 or later was a good guess.

George Courtney


Re: Photo: NYC Boxcar 170338

George Courtney
 

Can't help myself.  The photo's date is between 1934 and 1969,.  Well, that narrows it down.  Looking at the Pennsy boxcar, I'd say, 1954 or later was a good guess.

George Courtney


Looking for instruction sheet for Sunshine Kit #47.2 MILW #708500-713999

Chuck Cover
 

Group,

I am looking for the instruction sheet for Sunshine Kit #47.2 MILW #7085000-713999, 1937-60s.  If you can help me please contact me off list.  Thanks

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM


Re: Heavy duty flat on ERIE in 1953

Schuyler Larrabee
 

A follow-up on this.  I circulated the model photo to my friend Ben Dibble, who send me back a prototype photo of the same car and the same load!  “Dad” is his father who was “standing next to the car for scale.”  Ben’s an excellent D&H modeler.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Edward
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 9:08 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Heavy duty flat on ERIE in 1953

 

The flat car itself may be from the D&H, which had direct connection to GE's Schenectady Works and also with the Erie at Binghamton.
Erie was the best road for handling oversized loads due to its generous clearances and no main line tunnels, having been originally built to 6' gauge.

I modeled this in O scale from a GE advertising photo very much like the one shown above.
The color and size of my GE stator unit made in 1989 follows one I saw at the NYSE&G Jennings NY power plant, beside the D&H right of way.
The 250 ton flat is a brass Max Gray model from 1955. The timber blocking and stator end covers were made following the reference photo. 

Ed Bommer  


Re: Heavy duty flat on ERIE in 1953

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Ed, I thought the ERIE had a four-truck flat as pictured in that ad, but after going through ALL the diagrams in the ERIE diagram book available on Fallen Flags (more convenient that actually getting out my copy!) I find that the multiple-trucked cars (more than two, obviously) were all depressed-center cars.

 

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie-frt-book.html

 

Nice work with your model, BTW.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Edward
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 9:08 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Heavy duty flat on ERIE in 1953

 

The flat car itself may be from the D&H, which had direct connection to GE's Schenectady Works and also with the Erie at Binghamton.
Erie was the best road for handling oversized loads due to its generous clearances and no main line tunnels, having been originally built to 6' gauge.

I modeled this in O scale from a GE advertising photo very much like the one shown above.
The color and size of my GE stator unit made in 1989 follows one I saw at the NYSE&G Jennings NY power plant, beside the D&H right of way.
The 250 ton flat is a brass Max Gray model from 1955. The timber blocking and stator end covers were made following the reference photo. 

Ed Bommer  


Photo: NYC Boxcar 170338

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: NYC Boxcar 170338

A photo from the University of Wisconsin – Milwaukee Libraries:

https://collections.lib.uwm.edu/digital/collection/agsnorth/id/8203/rec/6

Click on the arrows and scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: FDEX Reefer 7063 (1953)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: FDEX Reefer 7063 (1953)

A photo from the University of Wisconsin – Milwaukee Libraries:

https://collections.lib.uwm.edu/digital/collection/agsnorth/id/8054/rec/26

Click on the arrows and scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Double deck car.

These FDEX reefers had double decks permanently installed to handle loads that were easily crushed or were in consumer type packaging. Cars under these reporting marks included at least two different types of wood sheathed cars and at least one type of steel sheathed car with two different types of steel side panel construction.

I wish I could share this phot with Bill Welsh, who provided most of this information.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Heavy duty flat on ERIE in 1953

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thanks, Claus.  ERIE was famous for high and wide loads, thanks to the original six-foot gauge and resulting clearances.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 7:41 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Heavy duty flat on ERIE in 1953

 

Hi List Members,

 

Heavy duty flat on ERIE in 1953

 

 

More info at the link below...

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


Photo: Seaboard Boxcar 24145

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Seaboard Boxcar 24145

A photo from the University of Wisconsin – Milwaukee Libraries:

https://collections.lib.uwm.edu/digital/collection/agsnorth/id/10118/rec/43

Click on the arrows and scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Unloading Can Stock (1948)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Unloading Can Stock (1948)

A photo from the University of Wisconsin – Milwaukee Libraries:

https://collections.lib.uwm.edu/digital/collection/agsnorth/id/7924/rec/116

Click on the arrows and scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Looks very monotonous.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Dry Ice Reefer DICX 276 (Maybe)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Dry Ice Reefer DICX 276 (Maybe)

A photo from the University of Wisconsin – Milwaukee Libraries:

https://collections.lib.uwm.edu/digital/collection/agsnorth/id/10391/rec/35

Click on the arrows and scroll on the photo to enlarge it.
Taken in 1948.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Heavy duty flat on ERIE in 1953

Robert Allan
 

Neat model Ed. Certainly an attention getter.

Bob Allan


More coal hopper details

Eric Hansmann
 

The follow up post on hopper details has published on my DesignBuildOp blog. USRA hopper details are also included.

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2021/04/23/coal-hopper-details-pt-2/

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

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