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Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: DMIR Hopper Cars

Bruce Smith
 

Clarence,


Given that the photographer’s notes are “Grain elevators alongside piles of materials at port” I think you are spot on and the archive misinterpreted that to be piles of grain.

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, Al

 

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Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: DMIR Hopper Cars

 

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The coarseness of the material in the piles, the apparent method of loading (overhead traveling crane with clamshell bucket), and the beat to heck open top DMIR hoppers just does not make sense for the title saying "grain piles".  I'd bet the piles are crushed rock, probably limestone, transloaded from a ship to the hoppers.

CRZ


ORER 1955 HELP

Lester Breuer
 

Please check the 1955 Official Railway Equipment Register (ORER)  for Fort Dodge , Des Moines & Southern (FtDDM&S or FDDM&S) for , class VS, of series 932 - 946 (evens) on the roster.  I have the 1955 CD version; however, not shown there.

Thank You for your time and effort to help in advance.

Lester Breuer


Re: Photo: DMIR Hopper Cars

Clarence Zink
 

The coarseness of the material in the piles, the apparent method of loading (overhead traveling crane with clamshell bucket), and the beat to heck open top DMIR hoppers just does not make sense for the title saying "grain piles".  I'd bet the piles are crushed rock, probably limestone, transloaded from a ship to the hoppers.

CRZ


Re: Photo: Straddle Carrier And Boxcar With Lumber Load

Charles Whitlatch
 

Looks like a pretty haphazard way to load lumber. Nice shot of the Straddle Carrier though.

Charles Whitlatch


Fitz-Hugh or Fitzhugh Luther Company, Keweenaw Central Railroad

mmihalo763@...
 

I've been working on a roster for a small short lived Michigan short line, the Keweenaw Central railroad. I have the report of original cost to date of freight cars that lists Fitz Hugh as the builder for 6 of their 11 ton flat cars in 1905 (road #101 through 106) purchased in Hammond and the side door caboose, built 1906, #800 purchased in Chicago.   Google searches come up that FitzHugh Luther was a car reseller but may have operated what would become the Pullman Standard plant that was in Hammond.

Here is a vague picture of the caboose with some other equipment, the plow in front is built from a Duluth & Iron Range 1898 or 99 ore car, built by very likely Pullman Standard that they had 35 of.

https://cchi.mtu.edu/system/files/styles/archives_watermark_test/private/258b5643-1887-43b8-878c-8901505bd9f7?itok=Q3nYjWde


Re: Photo: Freight Cars On Barges

SamClarke
 

It looks like the trucks are 1954/55 Internationals.

 

 

 

 

Sam Clarke

R&D / Tech Advisor / Artist

Kadee Quality Products Co.

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541-826-3883

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Historically appropriate weathering...

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Jack,
 
I don't model the 30s but appreciated your video nonetheless - many thanks. Top-notch as is expected from you.
One is always well advised not to "overdo" weathering - but most all rolling stock at photos from after WWII was way dirtier than the YV trains you are showing, at least from
what I have seen.
On the other hand I usually don't like the looks of extremely weathered engines - I just like them much more though fully painted (that means all the wheel faces too) but
clean (especially those with white-edged running boards and wheel rims) - with only few exceptions, like a GN O-8, C&NW H-1, D&RGW L-131, some Santa Fe, some UP, and
others. This correlates with the obvious great shape of the YV engines shown at your photos. :-)
 
Thanks again and many greetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1954
 
Gesendet: Sonntag, 25. April 2021 um 21:34 Uhr
Von: "Jack Burgess" <jack@...>
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Betreff: [RealSTMFC] Historically appropriate weathering...

If you are modeling the 1930s or so like I am (August 1939) you might appreciate a new YouTube video that just came out on weathering…not how to but more what is appropriate. It is at

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNdxETAkvtk

 

Jack Burgess

www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


Re: Can anyone establish . . .

Tim O'Connor
 


ERIE 76918 - no doubt about it


On 4/26/2021 10:48 AM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io wrote:

The number on the ERIE car in this photo?

 

Schuyler

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Freight Cars On Barges

Bill Parks
 

On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 03:17 PM, Jerry Michels wrote:
It is interesting to see how they braced the load
Agree, especially of the two stake trucks on the flat car.  Also, notice how the stake sides are stored on the flat bed, and secured with what looks like cables
 
--
Bill Parks
Cumming, GA
Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida


Re: Photo: Freight Cars On Barges

Jerry Michels
 

It is interesting to see how they braced the load.  Jerry Michels


Re: Photo: Freight Cars On Barges

Douglas Harding
 

Having watched barges and tows on the Mississippi River, I know there are winches on the barge, used to tighten all lines. There are also large binders used by the crew to tighten lines that are not directly tied to the tow. This keeps the barges and tow (what the tugs are called on the river) as a rigid single unit. Note the two barges are tied together at the nose, with no visible slack.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of cptracks
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 12:04 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Freight Cars On Barges

 

Interesting. The tug is churning along under power towards the bottom of the picture. Yet the cables off the tug's bow up to the barges have no slack. How does that work?

On 26/04/2021 9:58 a.m., Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:

Photo: Freight Cars On Barges

A photo from the University of Wisconsin – Milwaukee Libraries:

https://collections.lib.uwm.edu/digital/collection/agsnorth/id/11939/rec/60

Click on the arrows and scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

-- 
Colin Riley
20-2500 Florence Lake Road
Victoria BC V9B 4H2


Re: Can anyone establish . . .

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Now that I have the responses, including this useful information from Ed, I agree that the car number is 76918.  Thanks to all that replied.

 

Schuyler

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Can anyone establish . . .

 

Looks like 76918 to me. 
Jan 1943 ORER lists it as 40'6" IL, 8'9" IW, 9'4" IH  6" x 8" 8" doors, 3,311 CU FT, CAPY 100000 LBS, with 497 cars in the 76500-76999 series.
Ed Bommer


Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Freight Cars On Barges

Dennis Storzek
 

On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 10:39 AM, Bruce Smith wrote:
The tow is likely made up with all lines tight. There are additional lines out of sight to the other barge and potentially from the stern quarter of the tug to the barges as well.
Very faintly visible in the deep shadow on the starboard side of the tug, just aft of the superstructure.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Photo: Freight Cars On Barges

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Apr 26, 2021, at 09:58, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Freight Cars On Barges
ATSF did this on San Francisco Bay between Richmond and San Francisco up into the early 1980s, with a single barge lashed in a hip tow configuration:
<https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/55-501/chap19.htm>. The tug has full control over the barge in this configuration, especially rudder control.
--
Artie the Hinged Jaw
Retired AFU Game Warden


Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Freight Cars On Barges

Bruce Smith
 

Kevin, Colin,

 

The tow is likely made up with all lines tight. There are additional lines out of sight to the other barge and potentially from the stern quarter of the tug to the barges as well. The goal is to make the tow fairly rigid so that any action of the tug is transmitted to both barges rapidly and without slack action. At the moment, the tug appears to be engaged and in forward.

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

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Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Freight Cars On Barges

 

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Engines in reverse?

 

Kevin Lafferty

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Freight Cars On Barges

 

Interesting. The tug is churning along under power towards the bottom of the picture. Yet the cables off the tug's bow up to the barges have no slack. How does that work?

On 26/04/2021 9:58 a.m., Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:

Photo: Freight Cars On Barges

A photo from the University of Wisconsin – Milwaukee Libraries:

https://collections.lib.uwm.edu/digital/collection/agsnorth/id/11939/rec/60

Click on the arrows and scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

-- 
Colin Riley
20-2500 Florence Lake Road
Victoria BC V9B 4H2


Re: Photo: Freight Cars On Barges

kevinhlafferty
 

Engines in reverse?

 

Kevin Lafferty

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of cptracks
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 12:04 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Freight Cars On Barges

 

Interesting. The tug is churning along under power towards the bottom of the picture. Yet the cables off the tug's bow up to the barges have no slack. How does that work?

On 26/04/2021 9:58 a.m., Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:

Photo: Freight Cars On Barges

A photo from the University of Wisconsin – Milwaukee Libraries:

https://collections.lib.uwm.edu/digital/collection/agsnorth/id/11939/rec/60

Click on the arrows and scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

-- 
Colin Riley
20-2500 Florence Lake Road
Victoria BC V9B 4H2


Re: Photo: Freight Cars On Barges

RICH CHAPIN
 

Tug is the "BumbleBee" a New Haven Tug. Can't tell if moving north or south.


Re: Photo: Freight Cars On Barges

David Soderblom
 

In the photo note the bares form a wedge, and the tug is pushing against the sides of that wedge.


David Soderblom
Baltimore MD




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David Soderblom
Baltimore MD
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Video: Troop Train

Bob Chaparro
 

Video: Troop Train

An eleven-minute 1943 film from the U.S. Office of War Information:

Troop Train 1943 US Office of War Information (OWI) on Vimeo

Scenes of loading military vehicles on freight cars appears between 2:35 and 4:40.

Additional railroad action appears throughout the film.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Freight Cars On Barges

cptracks
 

Interesting. The tug is churning along under power towards the bottom of the picture. Yet the cables off the tug's bow up to the barges have no slack. How does that work?

On 26/04/2021 9:58 a.m., Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:

Photo: Freight Cars On Barges

A photo from the University of Wisconsin – Milwaukee Libraries:

https://collections.lib.uwm.edu/digital/collection/agsnorth/id/11939/rec/60

Click on the arrows and scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

-- 
Colin Riley
20-2500 Florence Lake Road
Victoria BC V9B 4H2

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