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Re: C&IM fans are gonna like this 1948-1959

Tim O'Connor
 


I also note the Klasing brake wheel. I wish Kadee had a reason to do those. :-)

Tim O'Connor


On 4/18/2021 4:44 PM, Claus Schlund wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
I forgot to mention, I especially like the pole load on the flat car in the background along with "C&IM 6149 twin offset side hopper". One of the poles looks to have dangerously shifted while en route.
 
 
Claus Schlund


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Chicago Lakefront railyards

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Why yes, I’d be pleased to take that fire escape on the building to the right.  8^O !1

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 7:25 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Chicago Lakefront railyards

 


Nice web site! Here's a 1926 photo that's not included on the web page.


On 4/26/2021 9:06 AM, Ray Hutchison wrote:

Chicago lakefront railyards - lots of information and photos

http://industrialscenery.blogspot.com/2016/12/ic-freight-houses-along-michigan-avenue.html


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Freight Cars On Barges

kevinhlafferty
 

As noted previously by both Dennis and Bruce there are indeed aft lines securing the tug to the barges; the port aft line is visible in this view taken moments before. Also visible in this view is a considerable amount of slack in the fore barge to barge line which would indicate that the lashing isn’t quite as secure as it might be. I would guess the aft lines are working overtime at this moment. Not having experience in large nautical equipment I have to ask is there some advantage to a V configuration of the barges vs. a more symmetric lash up?

 

https://collections.lib.uwm.edu/digital/collection/agsnorth/id/11580/rec/2

 

Kevin Lafferty

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 2:12 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Freight Cars On Barges

 

Having watched barges and tows on the Mississippi River, I know there are winches on the barge, used to tighten all lines. There are also large binders used by the crew to tighten lines that are not directly tied to the tow. This keeps the barges and tow (what the tugs are called on the river) as a rigid single unit. Note the two barges are tied together at the nose, with no visible slack.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of cptracks
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 12:04 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Freight Cars On Barges

 

Interesting. The tug is churning along under power towards the bottom of the picture. Yet the cables off the tug's bow up to the barges have no slack. How does that work?

On 26/04/2021 9:58 a.m., Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:

Photo: Freight Cars On Barges

A photo from the University of Wisconsin – Milwaukee Libraries:

https://collections.lib.uwm.edu/digital/collection/agsnorth/id/11939/rec/60

Click on the arrows and scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

-- 
Colin Riley
20-2500 Florence Lake Road
Victoria BC V9B 4H2


Re: B&O Timesaver Boccars

Tim O'Connor
 

On 4/26/2021 9:09 AM, Allen Cain wrote:
Would the B&O Timesave Boxcars have travelled off the B&O line or were these in captive service on the B&O?

And thank you to all who answered the Sentinel boxcar question.


Yes, they went off line. Here is a one car Union Pacific transfer job in Kansas City in 1953.



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Chicago Lakefront railyards

Tim O'Connor
 


Nice web site! Here's a 1926 photo that's not included on the web page.


On 4/26/2021 9:06 AM, Ray Hutchison wrote:
Chicago lakefront railyards - lots of information and photos

http://industrialscenery.blogspot.com/2016/12/ic-freight-houses-along-michigan-avenue.html

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Historically appropriate weathering...

Jack Burgess
 

Thanks Johannes…

 

I have read (I think) that equipment was much dirtier after the war because of deferred maintenance during the war. I wisely chose to model the YV before the war started!

 

Jack

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 12:32 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Historically appropriate weathering...

 

Hello Jack,

 

I don't model the 30s but appreciated your video nonetheless - many thanks. Top-notch as is expected from you.

One is always well advised not to "overdo" weathering - but most all rolling stock at photos from after WWII was way dirtier than the YV trains you are showing, at least from

what I have seen.

On the other hand I usually don't like the looks of extremely weathered engines - I just like them much more though fully painted (that means all the wheel faces too) but

clean (especially those with white-edged running boards and wheel rims) - with only few exceptions, like a GN O-8, C&NW H-1, D&RGW L-131, some Santa Fe, some UP, and

others. This correlates with the obvious great shape of the YV engines shown at your photos. :-)

 

Thanks again and many greetings

 

Johannes

Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1954

 

Gesendet: Sonntag, 25. April 2021 um 21:34 Uhr
Von: "Jack Burgess" <jack@...>
An: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Betreff: [RealSTMFC] Historically appropriate weathering...

If you are modeling the 1930s or so like I am (August 1939) you might appreciate a new YouTube video that just came out on weathering…not how to but more what is appropriate. It is at

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNdxETAkvtk

 

Jack Burgess

www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


Re: Photo: Freight Cars On Barges

cptracks
 

Thanks to all who answered.

On 26/04/2021 12:12 p.m., Douglas Harding wrote:

Having watched barges and tows on the Mississippi River, I know there are winches on the barge, used to tighten all lines. There are also large binders used by the crew to tighten lines that are not directly tied to the tow. This keeps the barges and tow (what the tugs are called on the river) as a rigid single unit. Note the two barges are tied together at the nose, with no visible slack.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of cptracks
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 12:04 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Freight Cars On Barges

 

Interesting. The tug is churning along under power towards the bottom of the picture. Yet the cables off the tug's bow up to the barges have no slack. How does that work?

On 26/04/2021 9:58 a.m., Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:

Photo: Freight Cars On Barges

A photo from the University of Wisconsin – Milwaukee Libraries:

https://collections.lib.uwm.edu/digital/collection/agsnorth/id/11939/rec/60

Click on the arrows and scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

-- 
Colin Riley
20-2500 Florence Lake Road
Victoria BC V9B 4H2
-- 
Colin Riley
20-2500 Florence Lake Road
Victoria BC V9B 4H2


Re: Fitz-Hugh or Fitzhugh Luther Company, Keweenaw Central Railroad

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Friends,

Fitzhugh-Luther was more than just a reseller. They built new freight cars, and sometimes in modest quantities. In 1907 F-L supplied California's Northern Electric Railway with 50 36' boxcars numbered 2000-2049, and 163 40' flatcars numbered 1100-1263. That's a rather odd number, so there may have originally been a few more flat cars, but the NE had a habit of rebuilding flat cars into other types such as gondolas, locomotives and portable substations, and the origins of some rebuilds are not well documented. When I did my research on the SN fleet at the Western Railroad Museum Archives 20 years ago, that's all I was able to trace. Like the sailor's proverbial jack knife, the F-L cars went through a number of improvement and rebuildings programs. A handful lasted in MW service for the successor Sacramento Northern into the 1960s, and one rebuilt flat numbered SN 01449 survives/survived (in pieces) in the CSRM collection in Sacramento.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 4:36 PM <mmihalo763@...> wrote:
I've been working on a roster for a small short lived Michigan short line, the Keweenaw Central railroad. I have the report of original cost to date of freight cars that lists Fitz Hugh as the builder for 6 of their 11 ton flat cars in 1905 (road #101 through 106) purchased in Hammond and the side door caboose, built 1906, #800 purchased in Chicago.   Google searches come up that FitzHugh Luther was a car reseller but may have operated what would become the Pullman Standard plant that was in Hammond.

Here is a vague picture of the caboose with some other equipment, the plow in front is built from a Duluth & Iron Range 1898 or 99 ore car, built by very likely Pullman Standard that they had 35 of.

https://cchi.mtu.edu/system/files/styles/archives_watermark_test/private/258b5643-1887-43b8-878c-8901505bd9f7?itok=Q3nYjWde


Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: DMIR Hopper Cars

Bruce Smith
 

Clarence,


Given that the photographer’s notes are “Grain elevators alongside piles of materials at port” I think you are spot on and the archive misinterpreted that to be piles of grain.

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, Al

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Clarence Zink <clarence.zink@...>
Reply-To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Monday, April 26, 2021 at 3:37 PM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: DMIR Hopper Cars

 

CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.

The coarseness of the material in the piles, the apparent method of loading (overhead traveling crane with clamshell bucket), and the beat to heck open top DMIR hoppers just does not make sense for the title saying "grain piles".  I'd bet the piles are crushed rock, probably limestone, transloaded from a ship to the hoppers.

CRZ


ORER 1955 HELP

Lester Breuer
 

Please check the 1955 Official Railway Equipment Register (ORER)  for Fort Dodge , Des Moines & Southern (FtDDM&S or FDDM&S) for , class VS, of series 932 - 946 (evens) on the roster.  I have the 1955 CD version; however, not shown there.

Thank You for your time and effort to help in advance.

Lester Breuer


Re: Photo: DMIR Hopper Cars

Clarence Zink
 

The coarseness of the material in the piles, the apparent method of loading (overhead traveling crane with clamshell bucket), and the beat to heck open top DMIR hoppers just does not make sense for the title saying "grain piles".  I'd bet the piles are crushed rock, probably limestone, transloaded from a ship to the hoppers.

CRZ


Re: Photo: Straddle Carrier And Boxcar With Lumber Load

Charles Whitlatch
 

Looks like a pretty haphazard way to load lumber. Nice shot of the Straddle Carrier though.

Charles Whitlatch


Fitz-Hugh or Fitzhugh Luther Company, Keweenaw Central Railroad

mmihalo763@...
 

I've been working on a roster for a small short lived Michigan short line, the Keweenaw Central railroad. I have the report of original cost to date of freight cars that lists Fitz Hugh as the builder for 6 of their 11 ton flat cars in 1905 (road #101 through 106) purchased in Hammond and the side door caboose, built 1906, #800 purchased in Chicago.   Google searches come up that FitzHugh Luther was a car reseller but may have operated what would become the Pullman Standard plant that was in Hammond.

Here is a vague picture of the caboose with some other equipment, the plow in front is built from a Duluth & Iron Range 1898 or 99 ore car, built by very likely Pullman Standard that they had 35 of.

https://cchi.mtu.edu/system/files/styles/archives_watermark_test/private/258b5643-1887-43b8-878c-8901505bd9f7?itok=Q3nYjWde


Re: Photo: Freight Cars On Barges

SamClarke
 

It looks like the trucks are 1954/55 Internationals.

 

 

 

 

Sam Clarke

R&D / Tech Advisor / Artist

Kadee Quality Products Co.

mail@...

541-826-3883

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Historically appropriate weathering...

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Jack,
 
I don't model the 30s but appreciated your video nonetheless - many thanks. Top-notch as is expected from you.
One is always well advised not to "overdo" weathering - but most all rolling stock at photos from after WWII was way dirtier than the YV trains you are showing, at least from
what I have seen.
On the other hand I usually don't like the looks of extremely weathered engines - I just like them much more though fully painted (that means all the wheel faces too) but
clean (especially those with white-edged running boards and wheel rims) - with only few exceptions, like a GN O-8, C&NW H-1, D&RGW L-131, some Santa Fe, some UP, and
others. This correlates with the obvious great shape of the YV engines shown at your photos. :-)
 
Thanks again and many greetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1954
 
Gesendet: Sonntag, 25. April 2021 um 21:34 Uhr
Von: "Jack Burgess" <jack@...>
An: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Betreff: [RealSTMFC] Historically appropriate weathering...

If you are modeling the 1930s or so like I am (August 1939) you might appreciate a new YouTube video that just came out on weathering…not how to but more what is appropriate. It is at

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNdxETAkvtk

 

Jack Burgess

www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


Re: Can anyone establish . . .

Tim O'Connor
 


ERIE 76918 - no doubt about it


On 4/26/2021 10:48 AM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io wrote:

The number on the ERIE car in this photo?

 

Schuyler

Attachments:



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Freight Cars On Barges

Bill Parks
 

On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 03:17 PM, Jerry Michels wrote:
It is interesting to see how they braced the load
Agree, especially of the two stake trucks on the flat car.  Also, notice how the stake sides are stored on the flat bed, and secured with what looks like cables
 
--
Bill Parks
Cumming, GA
Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida


Re: Photo: Freight Cars On Barges

Jerry Michels
 

It is interesting to see how they braced the load.  Jerry Michels


Re: Photo: Freight Cars On Barges

Douglas Harding
 

Having watched barges and tows on the Mississippi River, I know there are winches on the barge, used to tighten all lines. There are also large binders used by the crew to tighten lines that are not directly tied to the tow. This keeps the barges and tow (what the tugs are called on the river) as a rigid single unit. Note the two barges are tied together at the nose, with no visible slack.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of cptracks
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 12:04 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Freight Cars On Barges

 

Interesting. The tug is churning along under power towards the bottom of the picture. Yet the cables off the tug's bow up to the barges have no slack. How does that work?

On 26/04/2021 9:58 a.m., Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:

Photo: Freight Cars On Barges

A photo from the University of Wisconsin – Milwaukee Libraries:

https://collections.lib.uwm.edu/digital/collection/agsnorth/id/11939/rec/60

Click on the arrows and scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

-- 
Colin Riley
20-2500 Florence Lake Road
Victoria BC V9B 4H2


Re: Can anyone establish . . .

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Now that I have the responses, including this useful information from Ed, I agree that the car number is 76918.  Thanks to all that replied.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Edward
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 11:04 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Can anyone establish . . .

 

Looks like 76918 to me. 
Jan 1943 ORER lists it as 40'6" IL, 8'9" IW, 9'4" IH  6" x 8" 8" doors, 3,311 CU FT, CAPY 100000 LBS, with 497 cars in the 76500-76999 series.
Ed Bommer

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