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Re: Photo: SP Boxcars (1930)

Tim O'Connor
 


In 1996 I saw unit trains of mill gondolas loaded with stone (for roads and concrete) in Houston.
I asked how they were unloaded - by labor! At the time they could pay less than $10 an hour for
back breaking labor to unload those gondolas. (With some help from machines.)


On 4/18/2021 3:57 PM, Steve SANDIFER wrote:

Look at all of the manual labor!

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 11:10 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: SP Boxcars (1930)

 

Photo: SP Boxcars (1930)

A photo from the Hagley Digital Archives:

https://digital.hagley.org/PC20110405_861

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Not a great quality photo but you can read the car numbers.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: SFRD Ice Hatch Latches

Tim O'Connor
 


Aren't there extras in the old Long's (now Intermountain) kit?

On 4/18/2021 9:30 AM, Tom Lawler wrote:
Larry,

Plano does make latches but they are not the correct style for the SFRD.

Tom


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: NJI&I to Wabash at Pine - Part 5 & Last

Tim O'Connor
 


Gary

ATSF 7127 was an Fe-22
ATSF 146225 was a Bx-37

Tim O'Connor


On 4/18/2021 9:22 AM, Gary Roe wrote:
Here is the last installment of "Daily Interchange Report of Cars" from the NJI&I to the Wabash at Pine in 1953.  The following list is dated 07May53.  All cars originated at South Bend.  I am showing Initials, Number, Destination, Contents.

gary roe
quincy, illinois


These cars were left between 10:45P and Midnight for pick up by Westbound Train 89 (Montpelier, OH to Chicago), expected at Pine around 7A on 08May.

T&P   19065   Fort Madison IA     Pipe
ATSF  146225  Chicago IL          Empty
PLE   12846   Chicago IL          Pipe
EJE   6157    Burnsville MN       Tractors
Milw  592206  Chicago IL          Empty
CB&Q  31802   Chicago IL          Empty
Milw  25624   Dallas TX           Siding
IC    20250   Denver CO           Siding
NP    12857   Chicago IL          Empty
Wab   12544   Barstow CA          Autos
Wab   12572   Barstow CA          Autos
ATSF  7127    Eau Claire WI       Autos
WP    40058   Barstow CA          Autos


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Oops... Re: Wisconsin Fish Commission Car “Badger”

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Ray,

How about state fish trucks instead? Several NORTHWOODS LAW episodes have featured such trucks of the type with a rectangular box with hatches on the top mounted on a flatbed truck. Try a Google search on "fish hatchery trucks images" and you will get a bundle, both modern and early. There are also some early trucks of the milk can delivery type shown at http://www.catskillarchive.com/rrextra/fishcar.Html .

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 12:46 PM Ray Hutchison <rayhutchison2@...> wrote:
I misread a section of the website (and the sentence that I quoted) that made it clear that transportation is now by tank truck.  So I will be looking for metal trucks out on the highway labeled "live fish".  And looking for Department of Commerce decals.


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photos: Boxcar Cleaning Equipment

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

Boxcars (and other cars) often used dedicated cleanout tracks. That is a whole different story however, not what is being discussed. The topic so far has been automated car emptying devices ... to remove loads, usually grain or other bulk materials.

Dan Mitchell
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On Apr 29, 2021, at 5:34 PM, Larry Buell <lbuell@...> wrote:

At Corwith Yard (ATSF), Chicago we had a dedicated boxcar cleaning track gang until 1983.  First the dunnage was removed, then the car was swept out and finally washed down with a portable power washer.  We had two tracks the length of the Junction Yard that were tilted toward each other for runoff and drainage.  The single lane pathway between the two tracks was paved with asphalt.  After most of the freight houses lost their leasees, there was no need for car cleanout.  
Larry Buell


Re: Photo: Unloading Grain

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

The GN, and other roads, had huge high-sided woodchip gondolas with end-doors. These were emptied by tipping whole car nearly vertical on a hydraulically-inclined section of track. The same idea is also used with large truck-trailers as you describe.

Even more extreme are the mechanical coal-dumpers used in many port cities, both on the ocean and in the Great Lakes. The entire car (sometimes a pair of cars) is grabbed, clamped, then raised perhaps 50 feet. Sometimes the car is elevated by pushing it up a ramp, and sometimes lifted with a vertical elevator. Then it is nearly inverted to dump the load. Quite rapid, very dusty, and very impressive. 

Dan Mitchell
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On Apr 29, 2021, at 3:14 PM, Clarence Zink <clarence.zink@...> wrote:

Tilting boxcars to unload grain reminds me of the Jay's Potato Chip factory on the south side of Chicago in the late 1950's.  My family would drive by there on occasion, and there were usually one or two 18 wheel trailer trucks tilted way up in the air, unloading potatoes.  Made a lasting impression on a 9 year old!

CRZ


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photos: Boxcar Cleaning Equipment

Larry Buell
 

At Corwith Yard (ATSF), Chicago we had a dedicated boxcar cleaning track gang until 1983.  First the dunnage was removed, then the car was swept out and finally washed down with a portable power washer.  We had two tracks the length of the Junction Yard that were tilted toward each other for runoff and drainage.  The single lane pathway between the two tracks was paved with asphalt.  After most of the freight houses lost their leasees, there was no need for car cleanout.  

Larry Buell


Re: Photo: Unloading Grain

Clarence Zink
 

Tilting boxcars to unload grain reminds me of the Jay's Potato Chip factory on the south side of Chicago in the late 1950's.  My family would drive by there on occasion, and there were usually one or two 18 wheel trailer trucks tilted way up in the air, unloading potatoes.  Made a lasting impression on a 9 year old!

CRZ


C&I Hopper 2423 underside view

gary laakso
 

Here is the underside view and note the non-matching wheels of the truck in the PRR gondola behind it:

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/16038384558/in/photostream/ 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock


Re: Wisconsin Fish Commission Car “Badger”

Steve SANDIFER
 

It is preserved at the Monticello RR Museum.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jack Mullen
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 12:13 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Wisconsin Fish Commission Car “Badger”

 

On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 09:26 AM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:

I once read somewhere about a modern streamlined car that was operated by a major aquarium, though I don't remember who owned it. Probably long retired now.

That may be the Nautilus II, of Chicago's Shedd Aquarium, operated 1959-72 It was built by Pullman as a baggage-tavern-chair car for C&EI in 1946, rebuilt by Thrall in 1959.
This Chicago Tribune article discusses this car and the 
first Nautilus, a 1930 heavyweight.
"GONE FISHIN' - Chicago Tribune" https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1999-06-06-9906060361-story,amp.html

Jack Mullen


Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Soo Line #44500-45098 Series Boxcar #44500-45098

Bruce Smith
 

Bob,

I would concur with others who have said that this not really an "extreme" weathering job. Rather it looks to me to be a hard-working steam era freight car nearing its appointment with the paint shop. And it looks good!

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bob Chapman <chapbob4014@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 11:16 AM
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Subject: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Soo Line #44500-45098 Series Boxcar
 
CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.
We'll call this one "Weathering Gone Wild". I usually prefer to understate weathering, but this undec Accurail was a convention door prize, and other than a few detail modifications, served as a test bed for some extreme weathering. In the old days, I can remember most passing trains having at least one of these paint derelicts.
 
The car models the Soo Line #44500-45098 series (even numbers only). Decals are K4.
 
Regards,
Bob Chapman


Soo Line Livestock Car 29667

Bob Chaparro
 

Soo Line Livestock Car 29667

A link to the Mid-Continent Railway Museum website:

https://www.midcontinent.org/equipment-roster/wooden-freight-cars/soo-line-29967/

Click on the photos to enlarge them.

Description:

“Soo Line stock car #29667 was built in a series of 400 cars, numbered from 29600 through 29999, by the Haskell & Barker Car Co., specifically to haul livestock. It was delivered to the Soo Line in July 1921. This 40 ton capacity, 40 foot long car was constructed to AAR Classification “SM” designation, meaning that it is of single deck design with open slatted side construction for the transportation of livestock on the hoof. In revenue service, Soo Line #29667 moved many loads of cattle from the North Dakota and Minnesota farm communities to the Chicago markets.”

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railway Bull Shippers Group

https://groups.io/g/RailwayBullShippersGroup


Re: Wisconsin Fish Commission Car “Badger”

Jack Mullen
 

On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 09:26 AM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
I once read somewhere about a modern streamlined car that was operated by a major aquarium, though I don't remember who owned it. Probably long retired now.
That may be the Nautilus II, of Chicago's Shedd Aquarium, operated 1959-72. It was built by Pullman as a baggage-tavern-chair car for C&EI in 1946, rebuilt by Thrall in 1959.
This Chicago Tribune article discusses this car and the 
first Nautilus, a 1930 heavyweight.
"GONE FISHIN' - Chicago Tribune" https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1999-06-06-9906060361-story,amp.html

Jack Mullen


Oops... Re: Wisconsin Fish Commission Car “Badger”

Ray Hutchison
 

I misread a section of the website (and the sentence that I quoted) that made it clear that transportation is now by tank truck.  So I will be looking for metal trucks out on the highway labeled "live fish".  And looking for Department of Commerce decals.


Re: Soo Line #44500-45098 Series Boxcar #44500-45098

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Bob,

 

I wouldn’t even say that weathering is extreme.  Looks like a lot of cars I’ve seen and it’s very well done!

 

Do I detect some Greg Martin style shading on the panels?  And I think the trucks look superb!

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chapman
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 12:17 PM
To: STMFC E-List <main@Realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Soo Line #44500-45098 Series Boxcar

 

We'll call this one "Weathering Gone Wild". I usually prefer to understate weathering, but this undec Accurail was a convention door prize, and other than a few detail modifications, served as a test bed for some extreme weathering. In the old days, I can remember most passing trains having at least one of these paint derelicts.

 

The car models the Soo Line #44500-45098 series (even numbers only). Decals are K4.

 

Regards,

Bob Chapman


Re: Soo Line #44500-45098 Series Boxcar #44500-45098

Paul Doggett
 

Bob 

That’s looking really good.

Paul Doggett      England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 29 Apr 2021, at 17:17, Bob Chapman <chapbob4014@...> wrote:


We'll call this one "Weathering Gone Wild". I usually prefer to understate weathering, but this undec Accurail was a convention door prize, and other than a few detail modifications, served as a test bed for some extreme weathering. In the old days, I can remember most passing trains having at least one of these paint derelicts.
 
The car models the Soo Line #44500-45098 series (even numbers only). Decals are K4.
 
Regards,
Bob Chapman

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Re: Wisconsin Fish Commission Car “Badger”

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Ray,

I seriously doubt that there are any fish cars still active, as they are not something that Amtrak, or freight railroads, would be excited about handling. However, as you can see there are at least two preserved examples.

I once read somewhere about a modern streamlined car that was operated by a major aquarium, though I don't remember who owned it. Probably long retired now.

All that said, the Government still has some interesting refurbished passenger cars that do run on modern railroads. A few years ago I photographed DOTX 220, a futuristic business car yet with a real open rear planform, and companion DOTX 223 which looked like a short single-door baggage car. DOTX 220 was lettered "Federal Railroad Administration" and "Office of Safety". They were in the ex-SP yard in Roseville, California.

This is, of course, post-STMFC period, and getting into passenger cars, so I will quit here. If anybody wants to see the photos, contact me off-list. 

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆



On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 12:09 PM Ray Hutchison <rayhutchison2@...> wrote:
This is pretty interesting... need to find out where to get Department of Commerce decals!

I noted the following at the Catskills website in Garth's post:

"Nowadays a fleet of modern tank trucks transports more than 200 million fish a year from Fish and Wildlife Service National Fish Hatcheries to stock many of the nation's rivers, lakes, and coastal waters."

That is from document published 1979.  While there are fish hatcheries in every state (and in Madison WI there is Fish Hatchery Road!) I am wondering if there still are dish cars and what they might look like?

rh

 

 


Soo Line #44500-45098 Series Boxcar #44500-45098

Bob Chapman
 

We'll call this one "Weathering Gone Wild". I usually prefer to understate weathering, but this undec Accurail was a convention door prize, and other than a few detail modifications, served as a test bed for some extreme weathering. In the old days, I can remember most passing trains having at least one of these paint derelicts.
 
The car models the Soo Line #44500-45098 series (even numbers only). Decals are K4.
 
Regards,
Bob Chapman


Re: Wisconsin Fish Commission Car “Badger”

Ray Hutchison
 

This is pretty interesting... need to find out where to get Department of Commerce decals!

I noted the following at the Catskills website in Garth's post:

"Nowadays a fleet of modern tank trucks transports more than 200 million fish a year from Fish and Wildlife Service National Fish Hatcheries to stock many of the nation's rivers, lakes, and coastal waters."

That is from document published 1979.  While there are fish hatcheries in every state (and in Madison WI there is Fish Hatchery Road!) I am wondering if there still are dish cars and what they might look like?

rh

 

 


Re: Wisconsin Fish Commission Car “Badger”

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Bob,

Interesting car, and very nicely restored. 

A number of other states owned fish cars as well. A similar car with a diagram of the interior layout is shown on page 367 of the 1919 CAR BUILDERS' DICTIONARY. This was reproduced in Gregg's TRAIN SHED CYCLOPEDIA NO. 36.

There is an interesting page on the 10 Booth fish cars operated by the U.S. Department of Commerce at https://www.fws.gov/dcbooth/fishcars.htm . Apparently, one car survives at the D.C. Booth Hatchery Museum in South Dakota.

Another interesting site is found at http://www.catskillarchive.com/rrextra/fishcar.Html .

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 1:29 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Wisconsin Fish Commission Car “Badger”

Link courtesy of Rich Mahaney:

https://www.midcontinent.org/equipment-roster/wooden-passenger-cars/wisconsin-fish-commission-2/

Click on the photos to enlarge them.

This car was fitted with steel tanks to carry fish to remote locations around the state to restock streams and rivers. The car would be stopped on a bridge and the tanks emptied into the water below.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railway Bull Shippers Group

https://groups.io/g/RailwayBullShippersGroup

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