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Fox Trucks

Bob Chaparro
 

Fox Trucks

This subject has come up from time to time.

The archives contain messages with conflicting statements so I’ll ask these questions hoping for definitive responses:

Were Fox trucks ever banned our outlawed? If so, when?

What was the last known year that Fox trucks were used on freight cars in interchange?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Soo Line #44500-45098 Series Boxca #44500-45098

Bob Chapman
 

Thanks, Dennis. I knew better re the slanty herald -- just didn't do it. Maybe time for some really heavy weathering on it.
 
Bob C
 
 
 
Dennis Storzek writes:
The weathering job looks great, very believable. Too bad K4 doesn't include lettering diagrams; the Soo applied the "$" herald with the sides vertical; it was supposed to be a perspective view of a hanging banner, and was originally rendered complete with the string it was hung with. Aside from that, these cars were built in 1949 and '50, and these particular cars never had black backgrounds in the herald, but did have black ends.


Re: Wisconsin Fish Commission Car “Badger”

Eric Hansmann
 

The West Virginia Department of Natural Resources still uses rail service to stock the Shavers Fork of the Cheat River. It’s not a traditional fish car but the work continues. Here’s a video with the details.
https://youtu.be/lm8Ve0lnPL0

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ray Hutchison
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 7:33 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Wisconsin Fish Commission Car “Badger”

 

Garth, One of the interesting things about the fish car (from the website) is that it apparently traveled just about every across the country and could be found in any pre-war model layout.  Ray


Re: Wisconsin Fish Commission Car “Badger”

Ray Hutchison
 

Garth, One of the interesting things about the fish car (from the website) is that it apparently traveled just about every across the country and could be found in any pre-war model layout.  Ray


Re: SFRD Ice Hatch Latches

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Andy,

Are you suggesting J-B Weld's 3,980 pound two part epoxy, the one sold in most DIY and hardware stores from a bulk box with the two tubes wrapped by the instructions with a rubber band? Or do you mean their similar 5,000 pound epoxy. The latter is very hard to find. 

I have used J-B Weld 3,980 for years to hold on my arrow points and nocks. Now that I need to remove one particular design of nocks on my favorite arrows due to a competitive rules change, I can't get them off. The J-B weld just won't let go! Great stuff. That said, it is very brittle in some uses and doesn't hold certain plastics well such Plastruct textured wall material. I have found that for model railroading their clear epoxy in the dual syringe holds better.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:34 PM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
A good way to jump into the resin casting pond is to go to an auto parts store and purchase JB Weld original epoxy and a tube of Loctite, Permatex or other high temperature 1200 degree exhaust gasket in a tube.

Take the small part ( such as a Santa Fe reefer hatch support) and coat it with the hi-temp silicone paste. Build up in thin layers, smoothing with a wetted finger after each coating. After your new mold is sized to your liking, mix up a small amount of J.B. Weld epoxy and fill the mold's cavity. J.B. Weld makes a good high quality casting.

I made a GE wheel slip axle-end generator years ago with this method. Each loco needed 4 of these parts and I got over 50 shots in the single mold, which is a remarkable result, as most RTVs are lucky to get 20.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA



SFRD Ice Hatch Latches

Andy Carlson
 

A good way to jump into the resin casting pond is to go to an auto parts store and purchase JB Weld original epoxy and a tube of Loctite, Permatex or other high temperature 1200 degree exhaust gasket in a tube.

Take the small part ( such as a Santa Fe reefer hatch support) and coat it with the hi-temp silicone paste. Build up in thin layers, smoothing with a wetted finger after each coating. After your new mold is sized to your liking, mix up a small amount of J.B. Weld epoxy and fill the mold's cavity. J.B. Weld makes a good high quality casting.

I made a GE wheel slip axle-end generator years ago with this method. Each loco needed 4 of these parts and I got over 50 shots in the single mold, which is a remarkable result, as most RTVs are lucky to get 20.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA



Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] SFRD Ice Hatch Latches

Bruce Smith
 

No, no extras in the kits I have.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 6:00 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] SFRD Ice Hatch Latches
 
CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.

Aren't there extras in the old Long's (now Intermountain) kit?

On 4/18/2021 9:30 AM, Tom Lawler wrote:
Larry,

Plano does make latches but they are not the correct style for the SFRD.

Tom


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photos: Boxcar Cleaning Equipment

mopacfirst
 

At the MoPac Wichita yard, one track was removed and the adjacent tracks re-leveled to slope toward each other.  There was a dedicated MoPac garbage truck to collect whatever was cleaned out of the cars.  This was the early 70s when the branch lines mostly had 40' boxcars for grain loading.

Ron Merrick


Re: Soo Line #44500-45098 Series Boxcar #44500-45098

Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 09:16 AM, Bob Chapman wrote:
The car models the Soo Line #44500-45098 series (even numbers only). Decals are K4.
The weathering job looks great, very believable. Too bad K4 doesn't include lettering diagrams; the Soo applied the "$" herald with the sides vertical; it was supposed to be a perspective view of a hanging banner, and was originally rendered complete with the string it was hung with. Aside from that, these cars were built in 1949 and '50, and these particular cars never had black backgrounds in the herald, but did have black ends.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Photo: SP Boxcars (1930)

Tim O'Connor
 


In 1996 I saw unit trains of mill gondolas loaded with stone (for roads and concrete) in Houston.
I asked how they were unloaded - by labor! At the time they could pay less than $10 an hour for
back breaking labor to unload those gondolas. (With some help from machines.)


On 4/18/2021 3:57 PM, Steve SANDIFER wrote:

Look at all of the manual labor!

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 11:10 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: SP Boxcars (1930)

 

Photo: SP Boxcars (1930)

A photo from the Hagley Digital Archives:

https://digital.hagley.org/PC20110405_861

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Not a great quality photo but you can read the car numbers.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: SFRD Ice Hatch Latches

Tim O'Connor
 


Aren't there extras in the old Long's (now Intermountain) kit?

On 4/18/2021 9:30 AM, Tom Lawler wrote:
Larry,

Plano does make latches but they are not the correct style for the SFRD.

Tom


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: NJI&I to Wabash at Pine - Part 5 & Last

Tim O'Connor
 


Gary

ATSF 7127 was an Fe-22
ATSF 146225 was a Bx-37

Tim O'Connor


On 4/18/2021 9:22 AM, Gary Roe wrote:
Here is the last installment of "Daily Interchange Report of Cars" from the NJI&I to the Wabash at Pine in 1953.  The following list is dated 07May53.  All cars originated at South Bend.  I am showing Initials, Number, Destination, Contents.

gary roe
quincy, illinois


These cars were left between 10:45P and Midnight for pick up by Westbound Train 89 (Montpelier, OH to Chicago), expected at Pine around 7A on 08May.

T&P   19065   Fort Madison IA     Pipe
ATSF  146225  Chicago IL          Empty
PLE   12846   Chicago IL          Pipe
EJE   6157    Burnsville MN       Tractors
Milw  592206  Chicago IL          Empty
CB&Q  31802   Chicago IL          Empty
Milw  25624   Dallas TX           Siding
IC    20250   Denver CO           Siding
NP    12857   Chicago IL          Empty
Wab   12544   Barstow CA          Autos
Wab   12572   Barstow CA          Autos
ATSF  7127    Eau Claire WI       Autos
WP    40058   Barstow CA          Autos


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Oops... Re: Wisconsin Fish Commission Car “Badger”

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Ray,

How about state fish trucks instead? Several NORTHWOODS LAW episodes have featured such trucks of the type with a rectangular box with hatches on the top mounted on a flatbed truck. Try a Google search on "fish hatchery trucks images" and you will get a bundle, both modern and early. There are also some early trucks of the milk can delivery type shown at http://www.catskillarchive.com/rrextra/fishcar.Html .

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 12:46 PM Ray Hutchison <rayhutchison2@...> wrote:
I misread a section of the website (and the sentence that I quoted) that made it clear that transportation is now by tank truck.  So I will be looking for metal trucks out on the highway labeled "live fish".  And looking for Department of Commerce decals.


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photos: Boxcar Cleaning Equipment

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

Boxcars (and other cars) often used dedicated cleanout tracks. That is a whole different story however, not what is being discussed. The topic so far has been automated car emptying devices ... to remove loads, usually grain or other bulk materials.

Dan Mitchell
==========

On Apr 29, 2021, at 5:34 PM, Larry Buell <lbuell@...> wrote:

At Corwith Yard (ATSF), Chicago we had a dedicated boxcar cleaning track gang until 1983.  First the dunnage was removed, then the car was swept out and finally washed down with a portable power washer.  We had two tracks the length of the Junction Yard that were tilted toward each other for runoff and drainage.  The single lane pathway between the two tracks was paved with asphalt.  After most of the freight houses lost their leasees, there was no need for car cleanout.  
Larry Buell


Re: Photo: Unloading Grain

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

The GN, and other roads, had huge high-sided woodchip gondolas with end-doors. These were emptied by tipping whole car nearly vertical on a hydraulically-inclined section of track. The same idea is also used with large truck-trailers as you describe.

Even more extreme are the mechanical coal-dumpers used in many port cities, both on the ocean and in the Great Lakes. The entire car (sometimes a pair of cars) is grabbed, clamped, then raised perhaps 50 feet. Sometimes the car is elevated by pushing it up a ramp, and sometimes lifted with a vertical elevator. Then it is nearly inverted to dump the load. Quite rapid, very dusty, and very impressive. 

Dan Mitchell
==========

On Apr 29, 2021, at 3:14 PM, Clarence Zink <clarence.zink@...> wrote:

Tilting boxcars to unload grain reminds me of the Jay's Potato Chip factory on the south side of Chicago in the late 1950's.  My family would drive by there on occasion, and there were usually one or two 18 wheel trailer trucks tilted way up in the air, unloading potatoes.  Made a lasting impression on a 9 year old!

CRZ


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photos: Boxcar Cleaning Equipment

Larry Buell
 

At Corwith Yard (ATSF), Chicago we had a dedicated boxcar cleaning track gang until 1983.  First the dunnage was removed, then the car was swept out and finally washed down with a portable power washer.  We had two tracks the length of the Junction Yard that were tilted toward each other for runoff and drainage.  The single lane pathway between the two tracks was paved with asphalt.  After most of the freight houses lost their leasees, there was no need for car cleanout.  

Larry Buell


Re: Photo: Unloading Grain

Clarence Zink
 

Tilting boxcars to unload grain reminds me of the Jay's Potato Chip factory on the south side of Chicago in the late 1950's.  My family would drive by there on occasion, and there were usually one or two 18 wheel trailer trucks tilted way up in the air, unloading potatoes.  Made a lasting impression on a 9 year old!

CRZ


C&I Hopper 2423 underside view

gary laakso
 

Here is the underside view and note the non-matching wheels of the truck in the PRR gondola behind it:

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/16038384558/in/photostream/ 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock


Re: Wisconsin Fish Commission Car “Badger”

Steve SANDIFER
 

It is preserved at the Monticello RR Museum.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jack Mullen
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 12:13 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Wisconsin Fish Commission Car “Badger”

 

On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 09:26 AM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:

I once read somewhere about a modern streamlined car that was operated by a major aquarium, though I don't remember who owned it. Probably long retired now.

That may be the Nautilus II, of Chicago's Shedd Aquarium, operated 1959-72 It was built by Pullman as a baggage-tavern-chair car for C&EI in 1946, rebuilt by Thrall in 1959.
This Chicago Tribune article discusses this car and the 
first Nautilus, a 1930 heavyweight.
"GONE FISHIN' - Chicago Tribune" https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1999-06-06-9906060361-story,amp.html

Jack Mullen


Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Soo Line #44500-45098 Series Boxcar #44500-45098

Bruce Smith
 

Bob,

I would concur with others who have said that this not really an "extreme" weathering job. Rather it looks to me to be a hard-working steam era freight car nearing its appointment with the paint shop. And it looks good!

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bob Chapman <chapbob4014@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 11:16 AM
To: STMFC E-List <main@Realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Soo Line #44500-45098 Series Boxcar
 
CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.
We'll call this one "Weathering Gone Wild". I usually prefer to understate weathering, but this undec Accurail was a convention door prize, and other than a few detail modifications, served as a test bed for some extreme weathering. In the old days, I can remember most passing trains having at least one of these paint derelicts.
 
The car models the Soo Line #44500-45098 series (even numbers only). Decals are K4.
 
Regards,
Bob Chapman

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