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Photo: NYC Depressed Center Flatcar 499088

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: NYC Depressed Center Flatcar 499088

Photo from the Pullman Library:

https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/Railroad-N-Q/i-644fwd2/buy\

Built 5-1951.

Click on the photo twice for maximum enlargement.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: SP Freight Car Color.

Bill J.
 

Star brand from PBL.  They have SP red in full strength and faded reds.  Beautiful sheen for decaling.  Airbrushes like a dream with minimal thinning for 16 pound air pressure.

Bill Jolitz 


Re: SP Freight Car Color.

Jim Betz
 

Bruce,Tony,Who Ever,

  That color looks a touch too red for my tastes.  I assume you will be weathering
the cars - correct?  I'm not an "SP modeler" but I know a lot of them and have
seen a lot of their work.  And I definitely have some SP cars in my stores/on my
layout (soon).

All,

  What shipment would result in an SP stock car getting all the way to the B&O.
I would expect that most of them would go as far as Chicago (or anywhere 
along the Mississippi) and the stock would be off-loaded for watering and the
car would be sent West and the stock would be loaded into some Eastern
road's cars - if it wasn't slaughtered then and there.  I asking if it would be
common or rare for an SP stock car to make it very far East of the Mississippi?
                                                                                       - Jim 


Re: SP Freight Car Color.

Chris Barkan
 
Edited

Attached is a photo of boxcars from five different roads, NH, B&O, ACL, SP and ATSF, lined up on what looks like a team track in Dallas, TX.  I don't know the exact year or photographer but it offers a nice comparison of these roads' various freight car colors in comparison to the SP, and to one another.
--
Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL


Re: Fort Dodge, Des Moines & Southern Ventilated Refrigerator 942

Brian Carlson
 

Interesting, but I do have one question. Eric‘s presentation was on ventilated box cars. This looks like a normal refrigerator car. Why was it classified as a ventilated box car?

Brian J. Carlson 

On May 1, 2021, at 8:08 AM, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:



 

I have built and reworked an Accurail - 5th Avenue Car Shops kit into a Fort Dodge, Des Moines & Southern ventilated Refrigerator car.  Rework included new end sill install, milling running board and grab iron fasteners/rivets to be applied via new method to new installed wire grab irons after molded ladders and grab irons and fasteners carved off.  If you are interested photos and write up are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.  If would like to take a look please do at the following link:

 

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

 

Lester Breuer

 


Re: Photo: Unloading Grain

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

I suppose they could use the same type “car tipper” to unload as they do for grain. That, however, would only apply for large-scale users. The far more common “little guys” would have to do it the hard way, by hand. But perhaps not much worse than shoveling it out of a gondola, which was the normal way. Such nasty work was very common "back then"… take a look at the incredible mess involved in “coaling” a steamship. Filling the bunkers was usually accomplished using wheelbarrows and either buckets or cloth sacks filled with coal. The black dust got everywhere … the ship and the crewmen were covered in it.

The “good old days” were not nearly so nice as folks want to remember, or nowadays imagine.

Dan Mitchell
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On Apr 30, 2021, at 8:12 PM, mel perry <clipper841@...> wrote:

Oh that had to be a s**t job unloadinrg
one of those
;-(
mel perry


On Fri, Apr 30, 2021, 2:58 PM Clarence Zink <clarence.zink@...> wrote:
Well, it sure isn't "unloading grain", but these photos of loading boxcars with coal from the Utah State Historical Society ought to be of interest also. 

Back in 1916, the Standard Fuel Company of Utah used "car tippers" to load coal into boxcars at the minesite:
<StdFuelCo loading boxcar @ tipple 1916c.jpg><StdFuelCo loading boxcar @ tipple 1916b.jpg><StdFuelCo loading boxcar @ tipple 1916.jpg>

CRZ




Re: Fort Dodge, Des Moines & Southern Ventilated Refrigerator 942

Paul Doggett
 

Lester 

It’s looks up to usual high standards nice model.
Paul Doggett.   England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 1 May 2021, at 13:17, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> wrote:


Lester,
 
due to lack of knowledge of the prototype I can't comment in regard of accuracy, but it's definitely a beautiful model! Very well done!
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1954
 
Gesendet: Samstag, 01. Mai 2021 um 14:08 Uhr
Von: "Lester Breuer" <rforailroad@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: [RealSTMFC] Fort Dodge, Des Moines & Southern Ventilated Refrigerator 942

 

I have built and reworked an Accurail - 5th Avenue Car Shops kit into a Fort Dodge, Des Moines & Southern ventilated Refrigerator car.  Rework included new end sill install, milling running board and grab iron fasteners/rivets to be applied via new method to new installed wire grab irons after molded ladders and grab irons and fasteners carved off.  If you are interested photos and write up are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.  If would like to take a look please do at the following link:

 

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

 

Lester Breuer

 


Re: Fort Dodge, Des Moines & Southern Ventilated Refrigerator 942

vapeurchapelon
 

Lester,
 
due to lack of knowledge of the prototype I can't comment in regard of accuracy, but it's definitely a beautiful model! Very well done!
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1954
 
Gesendet: Samstag, 01. Mai 2021 um 14:08 Uhr
Von: "Lester Breuer" <rforailroad@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: [RealSTMFC] Fort Dodge, Des Moines & Southern Ventilated Refrigerator 942

 

I have built and reworked an Accurail - 5th Avenue Car Shops kit into a Fort Dodge, Des Moines & Southern ventilated Refrigerator car.  Rework included new end sill install, milling running board and grab iron fasteners/rivets to be applied via new method to new installed wire grab irons after molded ladders and grab irons and fasteners carved off.  If you are interested photos and write up are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.  If would like to take a look please do at the following link:

 

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

 

Lester Breuer

 


Fort Dodge, Des Moines & Southern Ventilated Refrigerator 942

Lester Breuer
 

 

I have built and reworked an Accurail - 5th Avenue Car Shops kit into a Fort Dodge, Des Moines & Southern ventilated Refrigerator car.  Rework included new end sill install, milling running board and grab iron fasteners/rivets to be applied via new method to new installed wire grab irons after molded ladders and grab irons and fasteners carved off.  If you are interested photos and write up are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.  If would like to take a look please do at the following link:

 

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

 

Lester Breuer

 


Re: SP Freight Car Color.

Paul Doggett
 

Bruce 

I use Trucolor SP freight car red. I think your mix seems quite close. Tony and Tim are probably the best to get the best information off.

Paul Doggett.   England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 1 May 2021, at 07:42, Bruce Griffin <bdg1210@...> wrote:

Tony, Paul and other SP Modelers,

Modeling the B&O on the east coast means a limited number of SP cars.  Two are getting ready to see service on my layout and are literally primed. I am seeking your input on a decent color match. Not exact, just decent. Attached are photos of recent in-progress builds sprayed with Vallejo Brunt Red 70.814 much thinned for airbrushing. What are your thoughts on adjusting the color? I added a Kadee UP boxcar and a black hopper for color reference.  Thank you for your input. 

 

Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD
https://bomodeling.com/blog/

 

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SP Freight Car Color.

Bruce Griffin
 

Tony, Paul and other SP Modelers,

Modeling the B&O on the east coast means a limited number of SP cars.  Two are getting ready to see service on my layout and are literally primed. I am seeking your input on a decent color match. Not exact, just decent. Attached are photos of recent in-progress builds sprayed with Vallejo Brunt Red 70.814 much thinned for airbrushing. What are your thoughts on adjusting the color? I added a Kadee UP boxcar and a black hopper for color reference.  Thank you for your input. 

 

Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD
https://bomodeling.com/blog/

 


Re: Photos: Combine Shipment

Ted Schnepf
 

Hello,

John Deere's combine plant was in East Moline, Ill and started out either on Milw or CBQ. Both roads went to Omaha to the UP.

Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120


847=697-5353

On Friday, April 30, 2021, 11:42:47 AM CDT, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Photos: Combine Shipment

Photos from the Walla Walla Project blog:

https://tinyurl.com/437jp8zw

https://tinyurl.com/ts3w5jz8

https://tinyurl.com/2ax72cbj

Ninety-six cars loaded with 288 John Deere combines shipped to Pendleton, OR, for regional distribution.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Wisconsin Fish Commission Car “Badger”

Bruce Griffin
 

Group,

I can say I have fished parts of WV, especially the Elk River in Slaty Fork. It combines two great hobbies as you get to walk the right of way of the old WM where many freight cars once roamed and see what is left of the mill (it is great model kit available). And if it all works out, you catch trout. If you walk up the river far enough from Slaty Fork you get to see something I didn’t know existed. A big part of the river goes under a mountain and disappears in the dry season under the mountain. 

Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD
https://bomodeling.com/blog/

 


Re: Photo: Unloading Grain

mel perry
 

Oh that had to be a s**t job unloadinrg
one of those
;-(
mel perry


On Fri, Apr 30, 2021, 2:58 PM Clarence Zink <clarence.zink@...> wrote:
Well, it sure isn't "unloading grain", but these photos of loading boxcars with coal from the Utah State Historical Society ought to be of interest also. 

Back in 1916, the Standard Fuel Company of Utah used "car tippers" to load coal into boxcars at the minesite:


CRZ


Re: Photo: Unloading A Fire Tuck

brianleppert@att.net
 

Dennis, I think you're right.  So for what I wrote, "never mind".

Brian


Re: Photo: Unloading A Fire Tuck

Dennis Storzek
 

On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 03:12 PM, brianleppert@... wrote:
That flat car does not have an ordinary deck.  Its thicker and covers over the stack pockets.  The car must b
I don't think that's a deck, but rather rub rails, possibly made of old rail. I kinda figured it was an early piggyback car.

Dennis Storzek 


Re: Photo: Unloading A Fire Tuck

brianleppert@att.net
 

That flat car does not have an ordinary deck.  Its thicker and covers over the stack pockets.  The car must be in special service.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


Re: Photo: Unloading Grain

Clarence Zink
 

Well, it sure isn't "unloading grain", but these photos of loading boxcars with coal from the Utah State Historical Society ought to be of interest also. 

Back in 1916, the Standard Fuel Company of Utah used "car tippers" to load coal into boxcars at the minesite:


CRZ


Re: Photo: Unloading Grain

Clarence Zink
 

Mechanical car dumpers like these.  Photos from the Library of Congress Farm Security Administration/Office of War Information digital collection.  Photos are captioned: PRR Coal Loader Sandusky Oh 1943
CRZ


Re: Photo: Unloading A Fire Tuck

Dennis Storzek
 

On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 09:44 AM, Bob Chaparro wrote:
https://tinyurl.com/u4ardmpa
Andy,

Doesn't look to be the case here, but I can certainly see it with other apparatus.

Dennis Storzek

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