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Re: SP Freight Car Color.

Ken Adams
 

I am not an airbrush user so I can't give you an opinion on using Vallejo Brunt Red 70.814 in an air brush. But as a color, I have found it a very good match to the faded freight car red that would typify an SP house car (box, stock, most reefers were PFE) in the 1945-55 period. To my eye it is a close match to the Star brand SP-UP FCR from PBL. I have my original containers of the PBL and Tru-Color SP paints on hand for checking the match when I was looking for an acrylic replacement for more toxic paints after encountering breathing problems when painting. 

When I am painting an SP model either plastic or resin, I usually prime with Tamiya Oxide Red from rattle can. Over the fully dried primer I hand brush the Vallejo Brunt Red 70.814 using a soft square shaped brush.   

Works for me as I live in an apartment like town home with no place to set up a paint booth and have proper ventilation. I spray the Tamiya on the veranda/deck timed in the short intervals between gusts of an almost constant 10-15 mph wind these days. The garage is owned by the HOA which doesn't like me setting up for painting.  Such is life. 
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Re: Fort Dodge, Des Moines & Southern Ventilated Refrigerator 942

Lester Breuer
 

Yes it is definitely a Ventilated Refrigerator, FtDDM&S, class VS.   I stated I was interested in building a ventilated box car; however, contacting Eric and not finding any photos the ventilated box car project was dead and with photo help from Ray the ventilated refrigerator became the project.  Hope that clarifies.  I thought the text in the blog made it clear; however, I guess not.  Hopes this clarifies.
Lester Breuer


Re: B&O Washington D.C. Freight Terminal 1956

Tim O'Connor
 


Nice! I would not expect to see both Lackawanna and CNW trailers on the B&O in Washington in 1956!!

Tim O'Connor

On 4/20/2021 11:20 AM, kevinhlafferty wrote:
An interesting array of box, reefer and early TOFC cars/trailers; even an increased height ATSF BX-11 or -12.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/51040509441/

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Unloading A Fire Tuck

Clarence Zink
 

I've got to agree with Andy Laurent that the flat car is being used as an "end loading ramp".

Notice the end of the flatcar up against the boxcar seems to be supported by blocking, to elevate that end almost to the level of the boxcar the truck is coming out of.  And it appears that even with the receiving end of the flat car elevated by blocking, it is still 6 or 8 inches lower than the floor of the boxcar.

Since we cannot see the left (discharge) end of the flat car, who knows what is actually happening?  Gives us "modeling license" to do whatever we think is appropriate.  IF somebody can figure exactly what the Walla Walla facility consisted of, then it can be modeled accurately.

CRZ


Re: Fort Dodge, Des Moines & Southern Ventilated Refrigerator 942

Brian Carlson
 

Yep. I figured that out after I sent my email. I got confused because the first sentence of Lester’s blog talks about ventilated box cars. It was relatively early here and I’m gonna blame it on the fact I was not awake yet. LOL

Brian J. Carlson 

On May 1, 2021, at 2:09 PM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:


Brian Carlson wrote:

Interesting, but I do have one question. Eric‘s presentation was on ventilated box cars. This looks like a normal refrigerator car. Why was it classified as a ventilated box car?

It's a ventilated refrigerator car, not a ventilated box. This was a common designation before 1950. It refers to ventilation with hatches open, not with ventilation through the door opening.

Tony Thompson




Re: Fort Dodge, Des Moines & Southern Ventilated Refrigerator 942

Tony Thompson
 

Brian Carlson wrote:

Interesting, but I do have one question. Eric‘s presentation was on ventilated box cars. This looks like a normal refrigerator car. Why was it classified as a ventilated box car?

It's a ventilated refrigerator car, not a ventilated box. This was a common designation before 1950. It refers to ventilation with hatches open, not with ventilation through the door opening.

Tony Thompson




Re: SP Freight Car Color.

Tony Thompson
 

Bruce Griffin wrote:

Modeling the B&O on the east coast means a limited number of SP cars.  Two are getting ready to see service on my layout and are literally primed. I am seeking your input on a decent color match. Not exact, just decent. Attached are photos of recent in-progress builds sprayed with Vallejo Brunt Red 70.814 much thinned for airbrushing. What are your thoughts on adjusting the color? I added a Kadee UP boxcar and a black hopper for color reference.  Thank you for your input. 
 

Both Tru-Color and Star Brand make excellent SP paint matches. I have been following the efforts on-line to come up with blends of Vallejo colors for freight cars, but am not aware of a consensus yet. I do use and like Vallejo, but have not tried to paint a freight car with it.

Tony Thompson




Re: Fort Dodge, Des Moines & Southern Ventilated Refrigerator 942

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Brian and Lester,

I have a 1952 ORER page that lists this car as VS: "Fruit-Vegetable Insulated Ventilator. A house car equipped with insulation and hinged swinging side doors, and a means of ventilation. Not equipped for refrigeration . . . ." The series was 932-946 (8 cars at that time). These cars are not in my full October 1958 ORER.

Years ago I did one of these cars from a Train Miniature reefer with the hatches. My car was orange (all I had to work from was a tiny B&W image from a story in MR), which obviously wasn't right and I didn't have the information for the fine detailing of Lester's outstanding model. I kept the car in my great plastic clean-out simply because I liked it and I was born in Iowa. Maybe someday I will follow Lester's lead, do it again correctly, and retire the TM car. Maybe.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


Yours Aye

On Sat, May 1, 2021 at 8:53 AM Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Interesting, but I do have one question. Eric‘s presentation was on ventilated box cars. This looks like a normal refrigerator car. Why was it classified as a ventilated box car?

Brian J. Carlson 

On May 1, 2021, at 8:08 AM, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:



 

I have built and reworked an Accurail - 5th Avenue Car Shops kit into a Fort Dodge, Des Moines & Southern ventilated Refrigerator car.  Rework included new end sill install, milling running board and grab iron fasteners/rivets to be applied via new method to new installed wire grab irons after molded ladders and grab irons and fasteners carved off.  If you are interested photos and write up are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.  If would like to take a look please do at the following link:

 

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

 

Lester Breuer

 


Railroad Men's Club

Bill Parks
 

In cleaning out my parent's house, we came across a stock certificate (see below) for the Railroad Men's Club that my grandfather bought (1 share for $100) in 1925 when he was working for the Seaboard Airline in Jacksonville.

I've done a Google search, but can not find any information about this organization.  Does anyone know anything about it?

Thanks in advance.




--
Bill Parks
Cumming, GA
Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida


Photos: PRR Gondola 376704

Bob Chaparro
 


Photos: Pere Marquette Gondola 18948

Bob Chaparro
 


Philadelphia 1940’s video.

Brian Carlson
 

Interesting video from the 40’s. Wine tank car at 4:42 point.  Nice vintage freight cars. (State of the art at the time) 


Brian J. Carlson 


Photo: SP Livestock Car 75329 (S-40-4)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: SP Livestock Car 75329 (S-40-4)

Photo from the Pullman Library:

https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/Railroad-R-S/i-vpHmfP2/buy

Click on the photo twice for maximum enlargement.

Built 12-1913.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railway Bull Shippers Group

https://groups.io/g/RailwayBullShippersGroup


Photo: NYC Depressed Center Flatcar 499088

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: NYC Depressed Center Flatcar 499088

Photo from the Pullman Library:

https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/Railroad-N-Q/i-644fwd2/buy\

Built 5-1951.

Click on the photo twice for maximum enlargement.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: SP Freight Car Color.

Bill J.
 

Star brand from PBL.  They have SP red in full strength and faded reds.  Beautiful sheen for decaling.  Airbrushes like a dream with minimal thinning for 16 pound air pressure.

Bill Jolitz 


Re: SP Freight Car Color.

Jim Betz
 

Bruce,Tony,Who Ever,

  That color looks a touch too red for my tastes.  I assume you will be weathering
the cars - correct?  I'm not an "SP modeler" but I know a lot of them and have
seen a lot of their work.  And I definitely have some SP cars in my stores/on my
layout (soon).

All,

  What shipment would result in an SP stock car getting all the way to the B&O.
I would expect that most of them would go as far as Chicago (or anywhere 
along the Mississippi) and the stock would be off-loaded for watering and the
car would be sent West and the stock would be loaded into some Eastern
road's cars - if it wasn't slaughtered then and there.  I asking if it would be
common or rare for an SP stock car to make it very far East of the Mississippi?
                                                                                       - Jim 


Re: SP Freight Car Color.

Chris Barkan
 
Edited

Attached is a photo of boxcars from five different roads, NH, B&O, ACL, SP and ATSF, lined up on what looks like a team track in Dallas, TX.  I don't know the exact year or photographer but it offers a nice comparison of these roads' various freight car colors in comparison to the SP, and to one another.
--
Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL


Re: Fort Dodge, Des Moines & Southern Ventilated Refrigerator 942

Brian Carlson
 

Interesting, but I do have one question. Eric‘s presentation was on ventilated box cars. This looks like a normal refrigerator car. Why was it classified as a ventilated box car?

Brian J. Carlson 

On May 1, 2021, at 8:08 AM, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:



 

I have built and reworked an Accurail - 5th Avenue Car Shops kit into a Fort Dodge, Des Moines & Southern ventilated Refrigerator car.  Rework included new end sill install, milling running board and grab iron fasteners/rivets to be applied via new method to new installed wire grab irons after molded ladders and grab irons and fasteners carved off.  If you are interested photos and write up are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.  If would like to take a look please do at the following link:

 

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

 

Lester Breuer

 


Re: Photo: Unloading Grain

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

I suppose they could use the same type “car tipper” to unload as they do for grain. That, however, would only apply for large-scale users. The far more common “little guys” would have to do it the hard way, by hand. But perhaps not much worse than shoveling it out of a gondola, which was the normal way. Such nasty work was very common "back then"… take a look at the incredible mess involved in “coaling” a steamship. Filling the bunkers was usually accomplished using wheelbarrows and either buckets or cloth sacks filled with coal. The black dust got everywhere … the ship and the crewmen were covered in it.

The “good old days” were not nearly so nice as folks want to remember, or nowadays imagine.

Dan Mitchell
==========

On Apr 30, 2021, at 8:12 PM, mel perry <clipper841@...> wrote:

Oh that had to be a s**t job unloadinrg
one of those
;-(
mel perry


On Fri, Apr 30, 2021, 2:58 PM Clarence Zink <clarence.zink@...> wrote:
Well, it sure isn't "unloading grain", but these photos of loading boxcars with coal from the Utah State Historical Society ought to be of interest also. 

Back in 1916, the Standard Fuel Company of Utah used "car tippers" to load coal into boxcars at the minesite:
<StdFuelCo loading boxcar @ tipple 1916c.jpg><StdFuelCo loading boxcar @ tipple 1916b.jpg><StdFuelCo loading boxcar @ tipple 1916.jpg>

CRZ




Re: Fort Dodge, Des Moines & Southern Ventilated Refrigerator 942

Paul Doggett
 

Lester 

It’s looks up to usual high standards nice model.
Paul Doggett.   England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 1 May 2021, at 13:17, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> wrote:


Lester,
 
due to lack of knowledge of the prototype I can't comment in regard of accuracy, but it's definitely a beautiful model! Very well done!
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1954
 
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I have built and reworked an Accurail - 5th Avenue Car Shops kit into a Fort Dodge, Des Moines & Southern ventilated Refrigerator car.  Rework included new end sill install, milling running board and grab iron fasteners/rivets to be applied via new method to new installed wire grab irons after molded ladders and grab irons and fasteners carved off.  If you are interested photos and write up are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.  If would like to take a look please do at the following link:

 

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

 

Lester Breuer

 

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