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Re: Railroad Men's Club

Bill Parks
 

Kevin - 

Thanks for the feedback.  I did some more digging last night and came the same conclusion.  These were probably local social clubs that may have had some support (official or unofficial) from the railroads.  I also found on EBay (when all else fails, search there) where someone is selling a page dated late 1800s that showed a Railroad Men's Club that was built by the Vanderbilts for their employees.

As a former stock broker, I found it a bit odd that a non-profit would issue an actual stock certificate.  Looking at it, this is not something someone decided to just print up so you can show you're a member.  It has all the legal jargon and seals, and appear that everything was registered with the state under existing incorporation laws of the day. Like you, I have never seen a private club do this.  Normally, you pay an initiation fee, then on-going dues.  At the same time he joined this club, my grandfather was the secretary for the German-American Club in Jacksonville, and documents we have relating to that indicate just initiation fees and dues.  No mention of "stock".  I'm wondering if some lawyer talked the Railroad Club into doing it this way.  A question we may never know the answer to.

This has given me the idea of possibly creating stock certificates for the operating group I'm in.  Might make a fun Christmas present.

This is an interesting piece of railroad history, and hopefully one not totally lost to time.

As an aside, my grandfather grew up on a farm and believed only in investing in real estate.  I remember him saying many times that if you can't go and physically see what you own, and run your fingers through the dirt, then don't buy it, and through out his life, he always owned multiple rental properties.  Given that, this is probably the only "stock" certificate he ever put his name one (my grandmother, on the other hand, played the market and did quite well).

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Bill Parks
Cumming, GA
Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida


Re: More unloading firetrucks

Allen Cain
 

Richard, could you share what you are doing?

Allen Cain

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Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO Scale


Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Philadelphia 1940’s video.

Brian Carlson
 

Many/most of the x32s were at the yard at the Pennsy freight station. 
I got the impression the film was early 40’s since none of the freight equipment appears beat from the war effort. (I could be totally wrong)

Brian J. Carlson 

On May 2, 2021, at 8:56 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


Yes,

And in the second view, you see a multi-dome wine tank car.

Note that the "many" PRR arch roof boxcars consists of 2 X31F cars and then what appears to be a yard FULL of X32, 50' cars. To see so many of those cars in one location is very interesting. It may mean that they are in storage, or assigned service. Given the uncertain date of the film, it may also be that they represent X32s being collected for use as troop sleepers, or, having finished that service, being returned to that service... although the Philly location makes that less likely.

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Interestingly, it's both times the same run - seemingly filmed with two cameras which were positioned differently.
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1954
 
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Also shows many PRR versions of the wagon top box car.  John


Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Philadelphia 1940’s video.

Bruce Smith
 

Yes,

And in the second view, you see a multi-dome wine tank car.

Note that the "many" PRR arch roof boxcars consists of 2 X31F cars and then what appears to be a yard FULL of X32, 50' cars. To see so many of those cars in one location is very interesting. It may mean that they are in storage, or assigned service. Given the uncertain date of the film, it may also be that they represent X32s being collected for use as troop sleepers, or, having finished that service, being returned to that service... although the Philly location makes that less likely.

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Interestingly, it's both times the same run - seemingly filmed with two cameras which were positioned differently.
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1954
 
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Also shows many PRR versions of the wagon top box car.  John


Re: More unloading firetrucks

vapeurchapelon
 

Allen,
 
as long as we are speaking H0scale, I can say there are some brass models with operating end doors. I remember Oriental Limited importing a SP 50' car, outside-braces but with steel sides, a C&O 40' steel box car from the same importer, and a UP 50' outside-braced car imported by Overland.
I have one of the SP cars and saw pics of the other ones - none of the three match today's standards in detail.
Possibly there were others, but I don't know.
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1954
 
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This would make an interesting siding. Does anyone make opening end doors that operate?  Has anyone modified a car to have open end doors?
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Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO Scale


Re: Philadelphia 1940’s video.

vapeurchapelon
 

Interestingly, it's both times the same run - seemingly filmed with two cameras which were positioned differently.
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1954
 
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Also shows many PRR versions of the wagon top box car.  John


Re: Railroad Men's Club

kevinhlafferty
 

On Sat, May 1, 2021, 10:23 AM Bill Parks wrote:

 

In cleaning out my parent's house, we came across a stock certificate (see below) for the Railroad Men's Club that my grandfather bought (1 share for $100) in 1925 when he was working for the Seaboard Airline in Jacksonville.

I've done a Google search, but can not find any information about this organization.  Does anyone know anything about it?

 

Bill,

Can’t say I know anything about this particular Club but it seems they may have been fairly common in the ‘20s timeframe. I found a couple of other references, one to a Southern Pacific Railroad Men’s Club and another to a Frisco Railroad Men’s Club. I think they were private “social” clubs specifically for members of a particular railroad. The reference I found to the SP club involved a court case as a result of a police raid at the San Francisco clubhouse with several members run in for gambling. Also, a non-profit organization cannot sell stock so I suspect the “stock certificate” may have been in lieu of dues. Perhaps it was an effort to make it more palatable to your significant other that you were investing in stock rather than paying dues to a social club?

Interesting stuff none the less.

 

Kevin Lafferty

 


Re: More unloading firetrucks

Richard Townsend
 

I am working on one with open end doors. Side doors open, too, with full interior lining.


Re: Army Flatcars

Jim Gates
 

Tanks are M4A3 (76) W (HVSS). Which means 1945. Flats belong to US Army Transportation Corps. Probably taken in France, possibly just after the tanks were unloaded from a ship.

Jim Gates

On Saturday, May 1, 2021, 10:55:28 PM CDT, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:


They have the huge brake wheel on the side of the car and what appear to be end buffers:

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/49210936658/in/album-72157712179496252/ 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock


Re: More unloading firetrucks

Patrick Wade
 

I think they are unloading the engine. There are two firemen in slickers awaiting to drive it away. If it was being loaded only the manufacturer's workers would be involved. 

Pat Wade
Santa Barbara, CA

On Sat, May 1, 2021 at 8:46 PM kevinhlafferty <khlafferty@...> wrote:
Several interesting photos here including the PRR X30, a single car class.
http://industrialscenery.blogspot.com/2019/08/carrying-vehicles-in-boxcars.html


Re: More unloading firetrucks

Allen Cain
 

This would make an interesting siding. Does anyone make opening end doors that operate?  Has anyone modified a car to have open end doors?
--
Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO Scale


Army Flatcars

gary laakso
 

They have the huge brake wheel on the side of the car and what appear to be end buffers:

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/49210936658/in/album-72157712179496252/ 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock


flat on flat WWII

kevinhlafferty
 

No real info at the posting site that I could find. I assume the load is a depressed center flat bound for the USSR (CCCP) as a part of the war effort. Probably one of many.
https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/Railroad-N-Q/i-sBcq7B7/A


Re: Photo: Unloading A Fire Tuck

Guy Wilber
 

David Payne wrote:

“The fellow to the right seems to be watching intently; could it be loading instead?”

David,

If you look closely at the photo showing the fire truck still in the car you can see that they are fueling it.  Standard practice for any vehicle was to have the fuel tank empty for transport.  The truck is being unloaded at it’s destination.

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


More unloading firetrucks

kevinhlafferty
 

Several interesting photos here including the PRR X30, a single car class.
http://industrialscenery.blogspot.com/2019/08/carrying-vehicles-in-boxcars.html


Re: Paint stripper

Kenneth Montero
 

Is Scalecoat II Wash Away Paint Stripper/Remover for Plastics formulated the same as the Chameleon paint stripper? They look similar.
 
Ken Montero

On 05/01/2021 8:34 PM Walter Cox via groups.io <waltgcox@...> wrote:
 
 
Could you be thinking of Chameleon? That was the best I ever used,I still have a bit left that I use sparingly when all else fails. I think someone came up with the formula for it recently so there should be something in the archives.
Walt         
 
In a message dated 4/30/2021 4:06:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, cvlk@... writes:
 

Seems to me there was a commercial hobby paint stripper whose name escapes me at the moment e eeavailable before “EasyLiftOff” that worked well.  

The only problem with petroleum-based paint strippers is that, while they removed the paint, they also removed some of the plasticizers from the molded plastic which made them brittle and allowed release of some of the internal stresses of the molding process, sometimes causing spontaneous shattering of the shell or warping.  This is a non-chemist/plastics expert explanation of some of the failures I had especially early on (1960s/70s).

Charlie Vlk


NRC Banana Reefer

gary laakso
 

It sure is dirty:

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/51123193132/in/album-72157718970883282/ 

 

The B&O boxcar appears to have had many wood pieces replaced in its roof.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock


Photo: Unloading A Fire Tuck

David Payne
 

 
The fellow to the right seems to be watching intently; could it be loading instead?
DPayne
 
 


Re: Philadelphia 1940’s video.

John Mateyko
 

Also shows many PRR versions of the wagon top box car.  John


Re: Photo: SP Livestock Car 75329 (S-40-4)

Bob Chaparro
 

Diane Wolfgram commented:

At least 210 of these were built in 1914, too.  Ownership was split, primarily, between the Southern Pacific and the lines that were later consolidated into the Texas & New Orleans.  All told, the PS received 150 of them and the T&NO and other Texas-Louisiana Lines 700 of them.  The Northwestern Pacific got 20, the Pacific Electric 10 and the SPdeMexico 26.  320 of the total were constructed by Standard Steel Car (SSC).

From a modeling standpoint, notable differences between these and the later S-40-5 class were that the -4s rode on Andrews trucks while the -5s had Vulcan trucks.  The -4 had a low, horizontal sliding "feed" door on the B end, but there wasn't any on the B end of the -5s.

I don't carry all this around in my head, but do keep Tony Thompson's Southern Pacific Freight Cars, Volume 1 within reach much of the time.

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