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Re: Accuracy Of The Official Railway Equipment Registers

Edward
 
Edited

Bob and all,

When you consider how all that detail and data were handled back then, the degree of ORER accuracy is barely short of miraculous.
It was all done in the "BC" era - before computers.
Everything was written up on paper reports, typed and kept in the road's roster files, often using the roads own car classification system.
These would be the resource for the ORER which were then retyped (no speedy copier machines back then), proofread, corrected and/or retyped if need be, and put into the ICC/AAR car classification system used by the ORER.

All this was in long lists that had to be reviewed and checked several times for accuracy before submission to the ORER for printing.
No telling how many times if there may have been a gap or error because some report had not completed the rounds, or something got lost., or was omitted, that an 'educated guess' likely was used, with a note to correct it for the next issue - if recalled.

Ah, yes! Typing all that up (with carbon copies) on a good old Underwood Model 5. . . .
Ed Bommer


Accuracy Of The Official Railway Equipment Registers

Bob Chaparro
 

Accuracy Of The Official Railway Equipment Registers

How accurate are the ORERs?

I seem to recall someone mentioning that occasionally the ORERs have listings of freight cars lumped together when these cars had different characteristics.

From my experience I am aware of one probably inconsequential error that was repeated for several years.

In August 1918, the United States Railway Administration announced that the SFRD (Despatch) would be under Federal control of the USRA effective January 1, 1919. The USRA then took overall control of SFRD (Despatch) cars.

The Santa Fe immediately reorganized Despatch, which had been a separate company, as the Santa Fe Refrigerator Department, an operating department of the railroad. This allowed Santa Fe a bit more control of the refrigerator cars and operations as allowed under the USRA regulations. SFRD then stood for Santa Fe Refrigerator Department.

As late as 1924 (six years after the “D” in SFRD stood for Department) the Official Railway Equipment Registers still listed SFRD reporting marks as Santa Fe Refrigerator DESPATCH. The Registers had not caught up with the official company change.

Not really a big deal.

But again, in terms of car listings, how accurate are the ORERs?

Can we assume that accuracy increased over time?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


SOU composite gon and second with a MISSOURI PACIFIC LINES herald in 1928

David
 

The Southern car is not a USRA composite gon as one might expect, but a composite rebuild of Southern's first generation of all-steel gondolas.

David Thompson


Re: LS&I 1755 flat with wood load in 1929

Eric Hansmann
 

Possibly pulpwood.

 

The image description notes the following:

In addition to the ore industry, Cleveland-Cliffs Iron Company was also involved in the forest products and chemical industries. The company owned 330,000 acres of timberland on the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.

 

The logs on the car seem to be special cut partial logs. This might be headed for a chemical plant to be brewed and broken down into other products.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] LS&I 1755 flat with wood load in 1929

 

Hi List Members,

 

LS&I 1755 flat with wood load in 1929. Is this a pulpwood load? Note the primitive home-rolled 'end bulkheads' on the car

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund


Re: nice view of CM&StP composite gons carrying lumber loads in 1927

Robert J Miller CFA
 

Republic, MI is in the Upper Peninsula – west/southwest of Marquette, Michigan

 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] nice view of CM&StP composite gons carrying lumber loads in 1927

 

Hi List Members,

 

We get a nice view of CM&StP composite gons carrying lumber loads in 1927. The gon road number might be 309250. The structure sez we are in 'Republic', possibly in Michigan. I think there is a DSS&A boxcar on the siding on the right.

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 

 


Re: Munsing Paper Co twin hopper 78-3 in 1930

Robert J Miller CFA
 

Should be Munising Paper – not Munsing.

 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Munsing Paper Co twin hopper 78-3 in 1930

 

Hi List Members,

 

Munsing Paper Co twin hopper 78-3 in 1930. It appears to be identical to a PRR class GL hopper in its design.

 

 

Note the four-wheeled 'critter' locomotive that is pushing the car, only barely visible, operator looking at the camera.

 

I assume this car never left the plant? It perhaps just moved coal from the dock into the plant and never left the grounds?

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund


SOU composite gon and second with a MISSOURI PACIFIC LINES herald in 1928

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
A SOU composite gon and second with a MISSOURI PACIFIC LINES herald in 1928 Beaumont Lumber Mill, both with log loads
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


LS&I ds boxcar - possibly road number 2003 - in Munsing in 1930

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
LS&I ds boxcar - possibly road number 2003 - in Munsing in 1930
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


CP 246599 minibox in 1934

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
CP 246599 minibox in 1934
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


nice view of CM&StP composite gons carrying lumber loads in 1927

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
We get a nice view of CM&StP composite gons carrying lumber loads in 1927. The gon road number might be 309250. The structure sez we are in 'Republic', possibly in Michigan. I think there is a DSS&A boxcar on the siding on the right.
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 


Munsing Paper Co twin hopper 78-3 in 1930

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Munsing Paper Co twin hopper 78-3 in 1930. It appears to be identical to a PRR class GL hopper in its design.
 
 
Note the four-wheeled 'critter' locomotive that is pushing the car, only barely visible, operator looking at the camera.
 
I assume this car never left the plant? It perhaps just moved coal from the dock into the plant and never left the grounds?
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


mine shaft house in Gogebic county... 1933

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Yet more ore cars... 1933... mine shaft house in Gogebic county
 

Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


ore cars at open pit mine with Hibbing in background (1930)

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
For those into Iron Ore roads... lots of ore cars
 

Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Photo entitled "ore train above Mesabi Chief Mine" dated 1930

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Photo entitled "ore train above Mesabi Chief Mine" dated 1930. Others will know more about what we are seeing than me, of that I am sure, but there are STMFCs involved.
 
This is one heck of a mining operation!
 

Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


C&NW 81226 36ft ds trussrod box in Mexico 1922

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
C&NW 81226 36ft ds trussrod box in Mexico 1922, Is there a temporary repair or other expedient on the lower part of the door? Perhaps to deal with a broken door mechanism? Note the chalk mark that might read "Barley Mex" but I could be wrong.
 
We also get partial views of boxcar SP 21580 and a ss C&NW boxcar.
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


LS&I 1755 flat with wood load in 1929

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
LS&I 1755 flat with wood load in 1929. Is this a pulpwood load? Note the primitive home-rolled 'end bulkheads' on the car
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


LS&I (I think thats' the right road...) 3012 flat with log load in 1930

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
LS&I (I think thats' the right road...) 3012 flat with log load in 1930
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Damaged Gons; was: Photo: Reading Gondola 34372 With Load

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Elden and List Members,
 
Maybe two decades back, I did this gon (photo attached). Not specifically damaged, but definitely beat up and at the end of its lifetime. I generally liked the end result. Haven't tried to do this again since, but I'm looking forward to maybe doing another similar car. There isn't a specific prototype for this gon, I was experimenting and just playing around testing out some model techniques. This is N scale, by the way.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

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I wish I could find the photos, but I haven’t yet.  I used to have a collection of pics of gons damaged by loads.  One was a gon badly damaged from someone dropping a big piece of steel inside.  Smashed through the flooring, damaging the stringers, etc.  Anyone have that pic?

 

I have tried to replicate them in model form.

 

I mean, you gotta have damaged, even destroyed gons, right?

 

Can anyone share their pics of proto or model damaged gons?  TIA!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 


Re: L&N 51098 (was NRC Banana Reefer)

Tony Thompson
 

David Thompson wrote:

It was somewhat common for various roads to buy or build truss-rod box cars in the mid-late Teens after receiving cars with full steel underframes or steel body frames earlier, presumably due to the high cost and low availability of steel at the time. Composite hoppers and gondolas enjoyed a similar revival.
The main reason, of course, was World War I. Many roads said so explicitly, in comments that can be found in_Railway Age_ and other industry publications.

Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com


90 Days to St. Louis RPM!

golden1014
 

Friends,

The 2021 ST. LOUIS RAILROAD PROTOTYPE MODELER'S MEET will happen on Fri, July 30th and Sat, July 31st at the Gateway Convention Center in Collinsville, Illinois—just 12 miles east of metro St. Louis on I-55/70.  

Re-connect with over 600 friends and fellow prototype modelers at the nation’s largest annual Railroad Prototype Modeler’s Meet!

28,000 square feet of top-quality railroad models, displays, hands-on learning centers, and more in the modern, professional Gateway Convention Center. Presentations by nationally-known modelers and historians.  At least 15 Railroad Historical Societies in house.  120 tables of hand-picked scale model vendors—no swap meet stuff!  Thousands of models brought by modelers like you on display.  Home layout tours.  The N scale Modutrak layout will be in-house with their top-quality modular layout.  Evening social events, fellowship, lots and lots of door prizes and more!  

St. Louis RPM is ALL ABOUT YOUR MODELS! 

BRING YOUR MODELS, finished or in progress, for display and discussion.  Bring your models of all scales, gauges, and sizes from all eras.   We’ll have 80 full-size, eight-foot tables available for your displays.  Attendees normally bring 4,000 displayed on 80 tables.  Bring yours and be part of the big event.  Locomotives, structures, freight cars, dioramas, vehicles are welcome.  There are NO contests. The purpose of our event is to teach, learn, grow and meet your fellow modelers from around the U.S.  

Check out or new and growing website at http://www.stlrpm.com.  Our awesome Flickr photo site can be reached at St. Louis Railroad Prototype Modelers’s albums | Flickr.

CLINICS AND PRESENTATIONS
Our focus topic this year is Coal, and we've got a great lineup of speakers marked up to talk coal and the railroads.  Here is who's confirmed:

Peter Jespersen
Our Friday evening Keynote Speaker and St. Louis RPM Guest of Honor, Peter Jespersen is the General Manager of Transportation for the Indiana Railroad Company.  Mr. Jespersen will discuss railroad operations, with an emphasis on moving coal, for our audience.  He’ll take your questions too.  Don’t miss it!

Dan Bourque
Tips on Track Planning for the Coal Fields

Clark Propst
Building a “Protogeneric” Layout with Upper Iowa Branch line coal customers

Jeff Eggert
Archives Resources for Modeling: The Life of a Coal Car

Lloyd Keyser
Flat Land Coal Loaders in Illinois, Missouri, Iowa and Kansas

Jeff Kuebler
L&N Coal Towns and Ops

Robert Neff with Kurt Stroer and Chris Zygmunt
Modern Coal Transportation

Mark Vaughan
Mining Coal in the Land Of Corn and Soybeans

Loren Casey
Black Diamonds in Little Egypt (Southern Ill Coal)

Stu Thayer
Unit Coal Train Operations for Model Railroads

Jim Mischke
B&O Coal Business & Equipment

Jim Dick
Coal Trains and operations in the Northwest 

Nat Chowan
Moving Coal on the Chicago & Illinois Midland RR

More Coal Topics Coming…Stay Tuned!  We've got at least other-than-coal speakers on the lineup too, including:

Matt Herman
LokSound in the Coal Fields (I added that "in the coal fields part"...)

Dave Lambert
Mail & Express Trains East of Chicago and St. Louis

George Bogatiuk
Soundtraxx in the Coal Fields

Fenton Wells
Kitbashing SAL AF-3, AF-4 and AF-5 boxcars

Rick Selby
IPD Boxcars of the 1970s

VENDORS
St. Louis RPM includes an exciting array of hand-picked scale models vendors.  No swap-meet stuff!  Among others, this year we’re hosting Rapido, Plano, Q Connection, Rails Unlimited, Protocraft, Rocket Express, Oak Hill Model Railroad Supply, Mainline Photos, Arrowhead, Bluford Shops, Micro Engineering, Historic Rail Photos, Bob’s Photos, Classic Trains (the guys with all the Sunshine kits), Red Board Hobbies and more coming every day.  The 1/87 Vehicle Club will be here with displays and vendors, including Sylvan Scale Models, Zycon Models, Custom Finishing and Lonestar Models.  Check our website for updates.

RAILROAD HISTORICAL SOCIETIES
St. Louis RPM includes the largest annual gathering of railroad societies in the U.S.!  15 societies, representing railroads from around the U.S. will be on hand with books, maps, reference material, models and more to aid your research and modeling efforts.  We're working on a few more too--so stay tuned as we expect the list to get much bigger.  Our annual Railroad Historical Society meeting will be offered again on Friday evening.   

LAYOUT TOURS
Depending on covid restrictions, we’ll offer home or club layout tours on Friday evening for registered attendees only.  Maps, directions and more information will be available at the meet on Friday morning.   

RPM SOCIAL EVENTS
Meet us at Bandana’s BBQ (4 Commerce Drive, Collinsville, IL 62234) at 6 p.m. on Thursday for our annual pre-RPM social.  No reservations necessary.  After the BBQ join us at the nearby Double Tree for a night cap with your fellow RPMers.  Cash bar.  On Friday night, join us for the RPM Roundup at the Center and then a late-night social at the Doubletree.

COVID
See our new website for the latest regulatory information and attendee requirements regarding mask wear, temperature checks, etc.  Guidelines and limitations are constantly being changed, and the Gateway Center as a municipal facility must follow guidelines to remain open. In order to use the facility, everyone at St. Louis RPM must comply with the guidelines at the time of the meet.

ST. LOUIS AREA ATTRACTIONS
Come early and visit the National Museum of Transportation (http://www.transportmuseumassociation.org/exhibits.html) and the John W. Barriger National Railroad Library at the campus of the University of Missouri (http://www.umsl.edu/barriger/).  Check out St. Louis attractions at http://www.stlouisattractions.com/ and weekend events at http://explorestlouis.com/.  

Admission: $30.00 Fri & Sat, $20.00 Sat only.  Kids under 13 free with paid adult admission.  Vendor set-up begins at 6:00 a.m. Friday.  Sales end at 5:00 P.M. Saturday.  

Want to be one of our scale model vendors?  Contact John Golden at golden1014@....

Need more info?  Contact Lonnie Bathurst at bathurst@... (217) 556-0314 or John Golden at Golden1014@... for more info.  There's more info on our new http://www.stlrpm.com website.  You can print a one page flyer from our Resources tab at http://stlrpm.com/resources/
Thanks to our partners at the Gateway NMRA.  Check ‘em out at http://www.gatewaynmra.org/default.htm. 

See You in St. Louis!

Signed,
The St. Louis RPM Team


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