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Model identification

Steve SANDIFER
 

I have been gifted with a brass HO acid tank that appears to be very similar to the Tangent model. Can anyone identify the car and its maker please.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 


Re: SOU composite gon and second with a MISSOURI PACIFIC LINES herald in 1928

mopacfirst
 

A possible candidate for the MP Lines car is the 68001-70500 series, AC&F 1916, lot 8217, with 36' IL, height to top of side 9'-5" (relatively tall, to give it a cuft of 1738), archbar trucks.  The diagram shows the same number and spacing of side stakes, but the diagram shows some diagonal strapping that does not appear to be present on the car in the photo.  The stakes are noted as 1/4" pressed steel.

Ron Merrick


Re: Accuracy Of The Official Railway Equipment Registers

Edward
 
Edited

Bob and all,

When you consider how all that detail and data were handled back then, the degree of ORER accuracy is barely short of miraculous.
It was all done in the "BC" era - before computers.
Everything was written up on paper reports, typed and kept in the road's roster files, often using the roads own car classification system.
These would be the resource for the ORER which were then retyped (no speedy copier machines back then), proofread, corrected and/or retyped if need be, and put into the ICC/AAR car classification system used by the ORER.

All this was in long lists that had to be reviewed and checked several times for accuracy before submission to the ORER for printing.
No telling how many times if there may have been a gap or error because some report had not completed the rounds, or something got lost., or was omitted, that an 'educated guess' likely was used, with a note to correct it for the next issue - if recalled.

Ah, yes! Typing all that up (with carbon copies) on a good old Underwood Model 5. . . .
Ed Bommer


Accuracy Of The Official Railway Equipment Registers

Bob Chaparro
 

Accuracy Of The Official Railway Equipment Registers

How accurate are the ORERs?

I seem to recall someone mentioning that occasionally the ORERs have listings of freight cars lumped together when these cars had different characteristics.

From my experience I am aware of one probably inconsequential error that was repeated for several years.

In August 1918, the United States Railway Administration announced that the SFRD (Despatch) would be under Federal control of the USRA effective January 1, 1919. The USRA then took overall control of SFRD (Despatch) cars.

The Santa Fe immediately reorganized Despatch, which had been a separate company, as the Santa Fe Refrigerator Department, an operating department of the railroad. This allowed Santa Fe a bit more control of the refrigerator cars and operations as allowed under the USRA regulations. SFRD then stood for Santa Fe Refrigerator Department.

As late as 1924 (six years after the “D” in SFRD stood for Department) the Official Railway Equipment Registers still listed SFRD reporting marks as Santa Fe Refrigerator DESPATCH. The Registers had not caught up with the official company change.

Not really a big deal.

But again, in terms of car listings, how accurate are the ORERs?

Can we assume that accuracy increased over time?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


SOU composite gon and second with a MISSOURI PACIFIC LINES herald in 1928

David
 

The Southern car is not a USRA composite gon as one might expect, but a composite rebuild of Southern's first generation of all-steel gondolas.

David Thompson


Re: LS&I 1755 flat with wood load in 1929

Eric Hansmann
 

Possibly pulpwood.

 

The image description notes the following:

In addition to the ore industry, Cleveland-Cliffs Iron Company was also involved in the forest products and chemical industries. The company owned 330,000 acres of timberland on the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.

 

The logs on the car seem to be special cut partial logs. This might be headed for a chemical plant to be brewed and broken down into other products.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] LS&I 1755 flat with wood load in 1929

 

Hi List Members,

 

LS&I 1755 flat with wood load in 1929. Is this a pulpwood load? Note the primitive home-rolled 'end bulkheads' on the car

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund


Re: nice view of CM&StP composite gons carrying lumber loads in 1927

Robert J Miller CFA
 

Republic, MI is in the Upper Peninsula – west/southwest of Marquette, Michigan

 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] nice view of CM&StP composite gons carrying lumber loads in 1927

 

Hi List Members,

 

We get a nice view of CM&StP composite gons carrying lumber loads in 1927. The gon road number might be 309250. The structure sez we are in 'Republic', possibly in Michigan. I think there is a DSS&A boxcar on the siding on the right.

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 

 


Re: Munsing Paper Co twin hopper 78-3 in 1930

Robert J Miller CFA
 

Should be Munising Paper – not Munsing.

 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Munsing Paper Co twin hopper 78-3 in 1930

 

Hi List Members,

 

Munsing Paper Co twin hopper 78-3 in 1930. It appears to be identical to a PRR class GL hopper in its design.

 

 

Note the four-wheeled 'critter' locomotive that is pushing the car, only barely visible, operator looking at the camera.

 

I assume this car never left the plant? It perhaps just moved coal from the dock into the plant and never left the grounds?

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund


SOU composite gon and second with a MISSOURI PACIFIC LINES herald in 1928

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
A SOU composite gon and second with a MISSOURI PACIFIC LINES herald in 1928 Beaumont Lumber Mill, both with log loads
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


LS&I ds boxcar - possibly road number 2003 - in Munsing in 1930

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
LS&I ds boxcar - possibly road number 2003 - in Munsing in 1930
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


CP 246599 minibox in 1934

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
CP 246599 minibox in 1934
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


nice view of CM&StP composite gons carrying lumber loads in 1927

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
We get a nice view of CM&StP composite gons carrying lumber loads in 1927. The gon road number might be 309250. The structure sez we are in 'Republic', possibly in Michigan. I think there is a DSS&A boxcar on the siding on the right.
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 


Munsing Paper Co twin hopper 78-3 in 1930

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Munsing Paper Co twin hopper 78-3 in 1930. It appears to be identical to a PRR class GL hopper in its design.
 
 
Note the four-wheeled 'critter' locomotive that is pushing the car, only barely visible, operator looking at the camera.
 
I assume this car never left the plant? It perhaps just moved coal from the dock into the plant and never left the grounds?
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


mine shaft house in Gogebic county... 1933

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Yet more ore cars... 1933... mine shaft house in Gogebic county
 

Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


ore cars at open pit mine with Hibbing in background (1930)

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
For those into Iron Ore roads... lots of ore cars
 

Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Photo entitled "ore train above Mesabi Chief Mine" dated 1930

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Photo entitled "ore train above Mesabi Chief Mine" dated 1930. Others will know more about what we are seeing than me, of that I am sure, but there are STMFCs involved.
 
This is one heck of a mining operation!
 

Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


C&NW 81226 36ft ds trussrod box in Mexico 1922

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
C&NW 81226 36ft ds trussrod box in Mexico 1922, Is there a temporary repair or other expedient on the lower part of the door? Perhaps to deal with a broken door mechanism? Note the chalk mark that might read "Barley Mex" but I could be wrong.
 
We also get partial views of boxcar SP 21580 and a ss C&NW boxcar.
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


LS&I 1755 flat with wood load in 1929

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
LS&I 1755 flat with wood load in 1929. Is this a pulpwood load? Note the primitive home-rolled 'end bulkheads' on the car
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


LS&I (I think thats' the right road...) 3012 flat with log load in 1930

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
LS&I (I think thats' the right road...) 3012 flat with log load in 1930
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Damaged Gons; was: Photo: Reading Gondola 34372 With Load

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Elden and List Members,
 
Maybe two decades back, I did this gon (photo attached). Not specifically damaged, but definitely beat up and at the end of its lifetime. I generally liked the end result. Haven't tried to do this again since, but I'm looking forward to maybe doing another similar car. There isn't a specific prototype for this gon, I was experimenting and just playing around testing out some model techniques. This is N scale, by the way.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

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Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Damaged Gons; was: Photo: Reading Gondola 34372 With Load

I wish I could find the photos, but I haven’t yet.  I used to have a collection of pics of gons damaged by loads.  One was a gon badly damaged from someone dropping a big piece of steel inside.  Smashed through the flooring, damaging the stringers, etc.  Anyone have that pic?

 

I have tried to replicate them in model form.

 

I mean, you gotta have damaged, even destroyed gons, right?

 

Can anyone share their pics of proto or model damaged gons?  TIA!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

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