Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR X29B and X29D
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Mike;
My observations were only that. I cannot say for sure what all cases were, but from looking at pics and diagrams indicate.
I am not surprised the manufacturers chose a conventional layout. I just got interested after I saw the mistakes I had made, and thought about what Ben was saying, and what I was seeing.
Due to the odd arrangement of the cross-bearers on the X29, and the lack of change to the u/f in rebuilding, I think they kept that arrangement on rebuilding to X29B. The G.A. for the X29D looks like they did not relocate the cross-bearers either. I know they did relocate the cross-bearers for the E, F and G.
Finally, the BL car is good for the X29B and early D, with the short taper IDE, but the X29D has an overhanging roof, all of them. The late X29D has the long taper IDE. Also note from pics and spreadsheet where the X29D tack boards were.
Sorry it’s raining. We had a big hail storm earlier!
Elden Gatwood
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On Behalf Of Schleigh Mike via groups.io
Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 12:07 PM To: 'stmfc' <realstmfc@groups.io>; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR X29B and X29D
Hello Elden & Group!!
This 'cheat sheet' is a great reference to help model well these interesting cars. Thank you for sharing this. In spite of it, I still have a couple of questions addressing the brake equipment. You have noted that the layout is per the drawing below and, without doubt, this is wonderful and seemingly applicable to the 'plain' X29 cars that received AB conversations of their KD brakes.
However, both Funaro & Camerlengo (F&C) kits No. 8160 for the X29B and No. 8310 for the X29D (early) as well Sunshine Models (SM) kit No.U1.1 for the X29B show the arrangement differently than that below. All those kits reflect the use of the rather generic layout like that of the original Cal-Scale arrangement. Especially obvious is the absence of the Penny's use of the 'pressure head' style of cylinder providing the fulcrum anchor for the 'floating' second lever. So the question is---Would this more 'conventional' arrangement have been applied to any of the X29 plain cars or perhaps to any of the "B" or "D" rebuilds? My expectation is "No." Elden's diagram is found in RP CYC No. 26, page 84 as well as the WrightTrack instructions for the X29D (late). Ben Hom's second Mainline Modeler article on the X29 included a drawing for the passenger equipped X29 and this is very close to Elden's but relating the 'signal' air line details. RP CYC No. 24 discussing the original X29 cars has several images showing the reservoir mounted transversely. This must have been a minority option as most photos seem to be per the Elden layout.
So, to be clear----
1) Are the F&C and SM instructions for X29B and X29D brake equipment layout simply wrong and is the Elden layout consistent for all these rebuilt cars?
2) Is the Elden drawing for the rebuilt cars also applicable to the plain X29 cars re-equipped with AB?
3) Is there any logic to finding the transversely mounted reservoir? They seem to be found only on the last production (Dreadnaught ends) cars as if the two-chamber reservoir replaced the original single style in the same location. Was this consistent throughout the group?
Obviously, photos are most helpful to accurate modeling but......
4) If we want to model a certain car number from a particular date but have no photo, can we at least be relatively certain that a given brake arrangement applies to that car?
5) Elden notes that Branchline (now Atlas) car bodies are applicable for the three body/door sizes for the X29B and two styles of X29D. Can those Branch/Atlas part numbers be made known?
Thank you Elden and thank all in advance for contributions responsive to the questions above.
Regards from Grove City, Penna. where it is cold and raining----Mike Schleigh
On Monday, April 12, 2021, 01:29:34 PM EDT, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:
Here’s the “cheat sheet” for what you need on your X29B or X29D:
Elden Gatwood
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Re: WCHX type X tank car
Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
Andy and Friends, W.C. Haftner Co., operating 99 cars in 1958. According to my 1958 ORER listing, this is from series 4065 to 4102, an ICC 103 type, with a capacity of 4,500 gallons. A note says this car has an aluminum tank. I'm not buying that. Likely this photo is from before 1958, and had been replaced by a newer car using the same number. Or could that be 4055? If so, it was off the roster by 1958, as there is no car with that number listed. Anybody with an earlier ORER want to take a swing at this one? Nice photo though. Very interesting car. Yours Aye, Garth Groff 🦆
On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 11:16 AM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
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Re: Photo: Unloading Something From A Boxcar
Dennis Storzek
On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 09:56 AM, Bob Chaparro wrote:
The "industrial tractor" looks to me like the small batch trucks paving contractors used on highway projects back around WWI. It doesn't need headlights 'cause they don't work after dark. These trucks were loaded with measured amounts of stone, sand, and Portland cement then driven to the mixing machine to be mixed right where it was to be poured. Years ago SS Ltd. made a good model of the batch mixer in HO. I always thought that the cement was just measured by the bag, but perhaps in this case the bags are inconsistent, or someone is just being a stickler for detail. Some good photos of early highway paving on this web site: https://www.matichcorp.com/project-gallery/highways/ Dennis Storzek
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Republic Creosoting Company Plant, Indianapolis, Indiana, October 27, 1934
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Ken;
I think it is intentional, since they are loading the cars in a way the pole load goes over where the brake assembly was mounted. I have some other pics that have the wheel, shaft and coupling also laid on the deck.
PRR’s FM’s originally came with brake shafts on both ends, and the left end is overhung by the load, so that set would have had to be temporarily removed. It also looks very much like a PRR brake wheel.
Elden Gatwood
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On Behalf Of akerboomk
Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 1:22 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Republic Creosoting Company Plant, Indianapolis, Indiana, October 27, 1934
Love the brake wheel on the “2nd from left end” car I assume “intentionally disconnected”, but could be a “whoops”?
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Re: Yosemite Portland Cement Incline
Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
Jack, Thanks for the additions and corrections on this story. I did not know that the Sierra cars were separate from the YV group. As for the McCloud River car or cars, they could have come from either group, or might have been from the PG&E like the Yreka Western car. I have a very poor negative of a McCloud car from the early 1960s. It was BARELY worth the effort to scan and attach even for discussion purposes, but then I was only 12 years old and using a cheap camera (probably a Kodak 127 Brownie Starmite with a lens like a soda pop bottle). Ah, the things I missed in those days! Another that I missed was what I thought was one of these hoppers on a flatbed truck on the McArthur Freeway in Oakland when I was stationed in the Bay Area during the late 1970s. It went one way and I went the other at the split for the Oakland Bay Bridge. There wasn't time to make a certain ID. Yours Aye, Garth Groff 🦆
On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 11:46 AM Jack Burgess <jack@...> wrote:
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Re: Yosemite Portland Cement Incline
Jack Burgess
Thanks for the explanation Dennis…!
Jack
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 08:46 AM, Jack Burgess wrote:
Interesting question about moving the cars with archbar trucks. Possibly the fact that they were not loaded got around that issue. You realize that in our time frame the "ban" on archbar trucks simply said they couldn't be offered in unrestricted interchange. The railroads were free to haul anything that they could be persuaded to agree to. It was common practice for the railroads to agree to haul obsolete equipment on the basis of 'to home shop for repair'. This relieved them from the obligation to repair the equipment for the ARA fixed charges should it break down en route. Back in my early days of railway museum involvement in the seventies we had a lot of things delivered on its own wheels that would NEVER be accepted in interchange.
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Re: Yosemite Portland Cement Incline
Dennis Storzek
On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 08:46 AM, Jack Burgess wrote:
You realize that in our time frame the "ban" on archbar trucks simply said they couldn't be offered in unrestricted interchange. The railroads were free to haul anything that they could be persuaded to agree to. It was common practice for the railroads to agree to haul obsolete equipment on the basis of 'to home shop for repair'. This relieved them from the obligation to repair the equipment for the ARA fixed charges should it break down en route. Back in my early days of railway museum involvement in the seventies we had a lot of things delivered on its own wheels that would NEVER be accepted in interchange. Dennis Storzek
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Re: Republic Creosoting Company Plant, Indianapolis, Indiana, October 27, 1934
akerboomk
Love the brake wheel on the “2nd from left end” car I assume “intentionally disconnected”, but could be a “whoops”? -- Ken Akerboom
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Re: New HO scale freight car kits
Build the master for them.
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Brian J. Carlson
On May 7, 2021, at 12:55 PM, lrkdbn via groups.io <lrkdbn@...> wrote:
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Photo: Unloading Something From A Boxcar
Photo: Unloading Something From A Boxcar Photo from the Wisconsin Historical Society: https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM94069 I believe the description for this photo is incorrect. What I see are bags of some dry material being unloaded and mixed in the rear of the truck. I also see what may be a scale near the boxcar door, possibly for weighing the material in the bags. I’m guessing here. What do other see? Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: New HO scale freight car kits
lrkdbn
I wish RCW would consider the similar NYC 8 stake gondola as a subject-this was a very common car in the 1922-1950 period
Larry King
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CB&Q Livestock Car: Single Deck? Double Deck?
CB&Q Livestock Car: Single Deck? Double Deck? Diane Wolfgram sent me a photo of a Leadville Designs N-scale CB&Q livestock car No. 59358. She requested a prototype photo for comparison. The prototype CB&Q car was in series 58000-59499. I had a photo of CB&Q 58214, 58214D to be exact…a double-deck car. The January 1955 Official Equipment Register lists cars in that series as single-deck cars. So, what’s going on here? The listing for the 58000-59499 series included a Note E. A reading of Note E revealed a simple answer, seen below. The Leadville Designs kit: https://leadvilledesigns.com/products/n-cb-q-36-steel-frame-58000-59000-stock-cars Bob Chaparro Moderator
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Re: PRR X29B and X29D
Schleigh Mike
Hello Elden & Group!! This 'cheat sheet' is a great reference to help model well these interesting cars. Thank you for sharing this. In spite of it, I still have a couple of questions addressing the brake equipment. You have noted that the layout is per the drawing below and, without doubt, this is wonderful and seemingly applicable to the 'plain' X29 cars that received AB conversations of their KD brakes. However, both Funaro & Camerlengo (F&C) kits No. 8160 for the X29B and No. 8310 for the X29D (early) as well Sunshine Models (SM) kit No.U1.1 for the X29B show the arrangement differently than that below. All those kits reflect the use of the rather generic layout like that of the original Cal-Scale arrangement. Especially obvious is the absence of the Penny's use of the 'pressure head' style of cylinder providing the fulcrum anchor for the 'floating' second lever. So the question is---Would this more 'conventional' arrangement have been applied to any of the X29 plain cars or perhaps to any of the "B" or "D" rebuilds? My expectation is "No." Elden's diagram is found in RP CYC No. 26, page 84 as well as the WrightTrack instructions for the X29D (late). Ben Hom's second Mainline Modeler article on the X29 included a drawing for the passenger equipped X29 and this is very close to Elden's but relating the 'signal' air line details. RP CYC No. 24 discussing the original X29 cars has several images showing the reservoir mounted transversely. This must have been a minority option as most photos seem to be per the Elden layout. So, to be clear---- 1) Are the F&C and SM instructions for X29B and X29D brake equipment layout simply wrong and is the Elden layout consistent for all these rebuilt cars? 2) Is the Elden drawing for the rebuilt cars also applicable to the plain X29 cars re-equipped with AB? 3) Is there any logic to finding the transversely mounted reservoir? They seem to be found only on the last production (Dreadnaught ends) cars as if the two-chamber reservoir replaced the original single style in the same location. Was this consistent throughout the group? Obviously, photos are most helpful to accurate modeling but...... 4) If we want to model a certain car number from a particular date but have no photo, can we at least be relatively certain that a given brake arrangement applies to that car? 5) Elden notes that Branchline (now Atlas) car bodies are applicable for the three body/door sizes for the X29B and two styles of X29D. Can those Branch/Atlas part numbers be made known? Thank you Elden and thank all in advance for contributions responsive to the questions above. Regards from Grove City, Penna. where it is cold and raining----Mike Schleigh
On Monday, April 12, 2021, 01:29:34 PM EDT, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:
Here’s the “cheat sheet” for what you need on your X29B or X29D:
Elden Gatwood
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Re: Yosemite Portland Cement Incline
Jack Burgess
Eric…
I had rumors about one of these cars in Colorado a few decades ago but nothing specific. Your comment seems to confirm that rumor.
Jack Burgess
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 7:04 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Yosemite Portland Cement Incline
I saw one or two of these hoppers at the Georgetown Loop Railroad back in 1985. I believe they were used in ballast service.
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Friends,
While scanning up prints from my collection, I happened upon this view of the Yosemite Portland Cement Co. incline at Emory, California. I snapped the photo around 1967, and it shows the grade down from the loading bins near the top of the mountain. Recent photos posted online show this hasn't changed much, except the roof on the bin house is now gone.
O.K., this isn't a freight car, but wait Grasshopper, and all shall be revealed.
The YPCCo. went into business in the 1920s. It's quarries were located atop this mountain above the Merced River on the Yosemite Valley Railroad. The stone was lowered to the YV via this double-track incline. From here the YV hauled the limestone to kilns near Merced, California, where the stone was burned to make cement. There is a nice web site with photos at http://memorableplaces.com/yvrr/CEMENT/YPCo.Blind.html . In 1944 the whole company was sold to Henry J. Kaiser (yes, the Liberty Ship guy). He immediately dismantled the kilns and other machinery which were sold to a concern in Venezuela. It isn't clear if any equipment from the Emory quarries also went to Venezuela, or if it was just scrapped. Kaiser is said to have bought the YPCCo. just to eliminate a competitor, though that may just be bad PR. It is possible the quarries were nearly played out, or that the YPCCo. was becoming unprofitable due to the quarry location and shipping costs.
In any case, with the timber operations that fed the YV gone and automobiles cutting into their passenger traffic even before WWII, the loss of the limestone traffic was the last straw for the YV. The line shut down a few months later.
O.K. Here come the freight cars. The YV owned a small fleet of ex-Great Northern ore cars to cover the limestone traffic. There were, IIRC, 50 cars in this fleet. The Sierra Railroad bought some of these, and several are still at Jamestown on display at Railtown 1897, and one more in Sacramento at the CSRM (in hideous orange paint when I last saw it, though the cars seem to have been black on the Sierra). A few others were cast off to other shortlines for maintenance-of-way purposes. Without a detailed roster I can't say if they were sold directly by the YV or its scrappers to these other lines, or were for a time they were owned by the SRR. McCloud River Railroad had several, Amador Central owned two, and the Yreka Western had at least one, though as my father's photo shows, this car still had the GN side walkways, and may have come directly to the YW from the GN. How these got from the YV to the buyers with their archbar trucks circa 1945 is a head scratcher, but possibly the cars had variances for one-time moves.
Westerfield offers this kit in several road names, including the VY as their 3452. It is still in their catalog.
Maybe Jack Burgess will want to chime in here, as the YV is his special interest and I may have garbled some things in this summary.
Yours Aye,
Garth Groff 🦆
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Re: Yosemite Portland Cement Incline
Jack Burgess
Garth…
Your summary is fairly accurate.
For a long time, all of the Yosemite Portland Cement buildings (except for the 275-ton storage bin which was used to load the cars and the buildings at the top of the incline) where still there were until destroyed by forest fires a decade ago. The quarry was located about a mile from the top of the incline and limestone was transported from the quarry to the crusher at the top of the incline by standard-gauge Plymouth locomotives.
Henry J. Kaiser (one of the Six Companies which built Boulder Dam) later wanted to get the bid to construct a dam in Northern California but didn’t get the contract so he submitted a bid to supply the concrete cement for the project. After winning the bid, he built a very efficient cement plant west of the San Francisco Bay and could then outbid all of the other cement companies in California. Those companies were in collusion, letting one company submit a high bid on a project and still get the contract. YPC was one of those companies and knew that they could not compete against Kaiser Permanente (yes, Henry Kaiser also started Kaiser Permanente hospitals). Kaiser offered to purchase YPC since he knew that he could sell the equipment for more than the purchase price.
The YV purchased 51 hopper cars in 1924 and initially used them to deliver rock to make concrete for the construction of a dam on the Merced River (which resulted in the relocation of 24 miles of YV mainline and the construction of five steel bridges) so the hopper cars were called “rock cars” on the YV. The Sierra Railroad purchased some identical cars for the construction of a dam near its mainline. Upon abandonment of the YV, 3 cars were sold to Amador Central Railroad, 10 to the Apache Railway, 4 to Santa Maria Railroad, and 32 to Kaiser interests in Southern California. The car in Yreka was actually an ex-Pacific Gas and Electric car, apparently purchased directly from the company that was selling the ex-GN cars.
Interesting question about moving the cars with archbar trucks. Possibly the fact that they were not loaded got around that issue.
As mentioned, Westersfield has a kit for these cars. After Al Westerfield released a kit for a longer version of the same car design, I asked him to considered releasing a kit for the 22-foot car and that I could give him detail photos of the cars since the Sierra Railroad had three of these cars on display along the highway leading to Jamestown. Al later told me that it was the first kit that he released that was for a car which still existed.
Attached us a photo of some of the Westerfield rock cars at the 275-ton storage bin at Emory on my layout.
Jack Burgess
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Friends,
While scanning up prints from my collection, I happened upon this view of the Yosemite Portland Cement Co. incline at Emory, California. I snapped the photo around 1967, and it shows the grade down from the loading bins near the top of the mountain. Recent photos posted online show this hasn't changed much, except the roof on the bin house is now gone.
O.K., this isn't a freight car, but wait Grasshopper, and all shall be revealed.
The YPCCo. went into business in the 1920s. It's quarries were located atop this mountain above the Merced River on the Yosemite Valley Railroad. The stone was lowered to the YV via this double-track incline. From here the YV hauled the limestone to kilns near Merced, California, where the stone was burned to make cement. There is a nice web site with photos at http://memorableplaces.com/yvrr/CEMENT/YPCo.Blind.html . In 1944 the whole company was sold to Henry J. Kaiser (yes, the Liberty Ship guy). He immediately dismantled the kilns and other machinery which were sold to a concern in Venezuela. It isn't clear if any equipment from the Emory quarries also went to Venezuela, or if it was just scrapped. Kaiser is said to have bought the YPCCo. just to eliminate a competitor, though that may just be bad PR. It is possible the quarries were nearly played out, or that the YPCCo. was becoming unprofitable due to the quarry location and shipping costs.
In any case, with the timber operations that fed the YV gone and automobiles cutting into their passenger traffic even before WWII, the loss of the limestone traffic was the last straw for the YV. The line shut down a few months later.
O.K. Here come the freight cars. The YV owned a small fleet of ex-Great Northern ore cars to cover the limestone traffic. There were, IIRC, 50 cars in this fleet. The Sierra Railroad bought some of these, and several are still at Jamestown on display at Railtown 1897, and one more in Sacramento at the CSRM (in hideous orange paint when I last saw it, though the cars seem to have been black on the Sierra). A few others were cast off to other shortlines for maintenance-of-way purposes. Without a detailed roster I can't say if they were sold directly by the YV or its scrappers to these other lines, or were for a time they were owned by the SRR. McCloud River Railroad had several, Amador Central owned two, and the Yreka Western had at least one, though as my father's photo shows, this car still had the GN side walkways, and may have come directly to the YW from the GN. How these got from the YV to the buyers with their archbar trucks circa 1945 is a head scratcher, but possibly the cars had variances for one-time moves.
Westerfield offers this kit in several road names, including the VY as their 3452. It is still in their catalog.
Maybe Jack Burgess will want to chime in here, as the YV is his special interest and I may have garbled some things in this summary.
Yours Aye,
Garth Groff 🦆
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One more time: WCHX type X tank car
Andy Carlson
I saw that the image was somehow dropped out of my message.Try this again.
On Friday, May 7, 2021, 8:15:53 AM PDT, Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
Maybe this has been shared before, but a color shot of a framed type X tank car in LA's Taylor yard deserves some re-viewing. WCHX 4095 with AB brakes, believed to be circa 1958. -Andy Carlson Ojai CA
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WCHX type X tank car
Andy Carlson
Maybe this has been shared before, but a color shot of a framed type X tank car in LA's Taylor yard deserves some re-viewing. WCHX 4095 with AB brakes, believed to be circa 1958. -Andy Carlson Ojai CA
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Republic Creosoting Company Plant, Indianapolis, Indiana, October 27, 1934
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi List Members,
Plenty of PRR class FM flat cars in this image...
Republic Creosoting Company Plant, Indianapolis, Indiana, October 27,
1934
(Note: the above image is large enough that some browsers have trouble
handling it - if so, try the link below)
More info at the link below...
Enjoy!
Claus Schlund
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Re: Yosemite Portland Cement Incline
Eric Hansmann
I saw one or two of these hoppers at the Georgetown Loop Railroad back in 1985. I believe they were used in ballast service.
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 6:48 AM To: RealSTMFC@groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Yosemite Portland Cement Incline
Friends,
While scanning up prints from my collection, I happened upon this view of the Yosemite Portland Cement Co. incline at Emory, California. I snapped the photo around 1967, and it shows the grade down from the loading bins near the top of the mountain. Recent photos posted online show this hasn't changed much, except the roof on the bin house is now gone.
O.K., this isn't a freight car, but wait Grasshopper, and all shall be revealed.
The YPCCo. went into business in the 1920s. It's quarries were located atop this mountain above the Merced River on the Yosemite Valley Railroad. The stone was lowered to the YV via this double-track incline. From here the YV hauled the limestone to kilns near Merced, California, where the stone was burned to make cement. There is a nice web site with photos at http://memorableplaces.com/yvrr/CEMENT/YPCo.Blind.html . In 1944 the whole company was sold to Henry J. Kaiser (yes, the Liberty Ship guy). He immediately dismantled the kilns and other machinery which were sold to a concern in Venezuela. It isn't clear if any equipment from the Emory quarries also went to Venezuela, or if it was just scrapped. Kaiser is said to have bought the YPCCo. just to eliminate a competitor, though that may just be bad PR. It is possible the quarries were nearly played out, or that the YPCCo. was becoming unprofitable due to the quarry location and shipping costs.
In any case, with the timber operations that fed the YV gone and automobiles cutting into their passenger traffic even before WWII, the loss of the limestone traffic was the last straw for the YV. The line shut down a few months later.
O.K. Here come the freight cars. The YV owned a small fleet of ex-Great Northern ore cars to cover the limestone traffic. There were, IIRC, 50 cars in this fleet. The Sierra Railroad bought some of these, and several are still at Jamestown on display at Railtown 1897, and one more in Sacramento at the CSRM (in hideous orange paint when I last saw it, though the cars seem to have been black on the Sierra). A few others were cast off to other shortlines for maintenance-of-way purposes. Without a detailed roster I can't say if they were sold directly by the YV or its scrappers to these other lines, or were for a time they were owned by the SRR. McCloud River Railroad had several, Amador Central owned two, and the Yreka Western had at least one, though as my father's photo shows, this car still had the GN side walkways, and may have come directly to the YW from the GN. How these got from the YV to the buyers with their archbar trucks circa 1945 is a head scratcher, but possibly the cars had variances for one-time moves.
Westerfield offers this kit in several road names, including the VY as their 3452. It is still in their catalog.
Maybe Jack Burgess will want to chime in here, as the YV is his special interest and I may have garbled some things in this summary.
Yours Aye,
Garth Groff 🦆
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Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Resemble Grease
Brian Stokes
Vallejo makes some great weathering effects that resemble all kinds of grease and grime. I have a few that I have been experimenting with for journal boxes, etc.
-- Brian Stokes North Point Street in Proto:48
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