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Re: Photo: Unloading Something From A Boxcar

Dennis Storzek
 

I agree with Bruce on all counts, but I still think this is at some major paving project where the scale is being used to accurately measure bulk Portland cement into batch trucks. Otherwise, why not just fill the truck and run the whole truck across a scale? This is certainly a project of long enough duration to make it worth building the platforms ( on both sides of the driveway, no less) and installing the scale.

Dennis Storzek


Re: [Classic-UP] Private cars used for UP fuel oil and diesel

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Ray,

No prototype at all. Yes, there were three-compartment tank cars, but nearly all were much smaller than the Athearn . . . uh . . . model. The tank size represents a total volume of about 12,000 gallons. Most triples were 8,000 or smaller. The Athearn offering is trainset junk, as are/were several knock-offs by other trainset manufacturers.

The only correct plastic model of a three compartment tank car that I can think of is Tangent's 6,000 gallon General American car, currently not in production: https://www.tangentscalemodels.com/general-american-6000-gal-3-comp-tank-car/ . IIRC, there have been one or two resin kits for this type of car, and of course there have been brass models of varying quality and accuracy.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆



On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 7:20 AM Ray Hutchison <rayhutchison2@...> wrote:
Book (above) and there was an Athearn model of three-dome tank car.  Not certain how true to prototype it might be.

https://www.pwrs.ca/announcements/view.php?ID=9181

rh


Re: [Classic-UP] Private cars used for UP fuel oil and diesel

Ray Hutchison
 

Book (above) and there was an Athearn model of three-dome tank car.  Not certain how true to prototype it might be.

https://www.pwrs.ca/announcements/view.php?ID=9181

rh


Re: [Classic-UP] Private cars used for UP fuel oil and diesel

Ray Hutchison
 


Re: WCHX type X tank car

Barry Bennett
 

I have a clearer copy of this slide and the number is WCHX 4095.

Barry Bennett
North Hykeham, England.

On Fri, 7 May 2021 at 21:59, Mike Aufderheide <MononInMonon@...> wrote:
The January 1954 ORER has this:

WCHX    4074-4102     ARAIII   4500 gal.

So, good eye Steve!

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide


Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Resemble Grease

Scott H. Haycock
 

For this, and many other weathering  'paints' that can be useful for weathering freight cars, check out Vallejo's lines for military modelers. 

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent

On 05/07/2021 10:31 PM Philip Dove <philipdove22@...> wrote:
 
 
Depends what type of grease you want to represent, but for some grease, (graphite based ones?)ordinary pencil lead or powdered graphite as used to lubricate Kadee couplings can leave a greasy look in weathering.

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Re: CP Minibox

Gavin
 

You can also get a TLT version if you can track them down, but by my research and my models it looks like it was removed. image.png
As for what it was doing in the states? Finished lumber is the most likely answer, and it would go back up north with merchandise freight.

On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 9:27 PM Allan Smith <smithal9@...> wrote:
I have conductors lists for the Sierra RR that show a CP miniboxcar Car # 242580. I am ready to build an F&C model of this car. Going thru all the articles and Photos I can find I notice that this series 242500-242999 originally had a vertical brake staff  Photos of 242550 show this feature. My question is Did theses cars receive a horizontal brake wheel when the cars were converted to AB brakes? Or was the original vertical brake staff retained..


Al Smith
Sonora CA


Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Resemble Grease

Philip Dove
 

Depends what type of grease you want to represent, but for some grease, (graphite based ones?)ordinary pencil lead or powdered graphite as used to lubricate Kadee couplings can leave a greasy look in weathering.

Virus-free. www.avast.com


CP Minibox

Allan Smith
 

I have conductors lists for the Sierra RR that show a CP miniboxcar Car # 242580. I am ready to build an F&C model of this car. Going thru all the articles and Photos I can find I notice that this series 242500-242999 originally had a vertical brake staff  Photos of 242550 show this feature. My question is Did theses cars receive a horizontal brake wheel when the cars were converted to AB brakes? Or was the original vertical brake staff retained..


Al Smith
Sonora CA


Re: Photo: Unloading Something From A Boxcar

Bruce Smith
 

Bob,

I have a few different interpretations:

1) the bag hanging from the roof is a balance for a drop gate to access the bed of the truck.
2) the material in the dump cart, being dumped in the truck, is loose material being transferred from the boxcar.
3) the material on the ground that looks like bags is likely a paper door liner to keep whatever is loose in the car clean and uncomtaminatd.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...>
Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 11:56 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Unloading Something From A Boxcar
 

Photo: Unloading Something From A Boxcar

Photo from the Wisconsin Historical Society:

https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM94069

I believe the description for this photo is incorrect.

What I see are bags of some dry material being unloaded and mixed in the rear of the truck.

I also see what may be a scale near the boxcar door, possibly for weighing the material in the bags.

I’m guessing here.

What do other see?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Yosemite Portland Cement Incline

Jim Betz
 

Hi,
  The ex-GN hoppers on the Sierra that are used for ballast service are
the early ones from the Mesabi range.  The GN replaced them with
cars more suited to their Ore service and sold them off to whoever
would buy them.  Ballast service is less 'demanding' than ore service
so they lasted a long time and often changed hands.
                                                                                            - Jim


Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Resemble Grease

Mark Rossiter
 

There is a 1/2 oz. Of Poly Scale oily black showing in stock under 'Miscellaneous Colors" p/n 500-015 on the narrowgaugemodeling.com website. 

Mark Rossiter


Re: Accuracy Of The Official Railway Equipment Registers - car rebuilding

Dave Parker
 

My sense (no data) is that, at least in the northeast, the rebuilding of 36-ft box-cars constructed ca 1906-1914 was continuing unabated through the 1920s.  These were almost all SUF cars.  The thing that stopped these rebuilding programs cold was the Depression.  Not much surplus capital, and lots of cars sitting around on sidings looking for loads.  Maybe an oversimplification, but it works for me. YMMV of course.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Photo: Union Carbide Covered Hopper 552

Charlie Vlk
 

All-

If I am not mistaken, “Tie Plates” are just that….they are used to spread the load on a wider area than the rail base in an effort to prevent the tie from failing under the rail.  While there is a seat for the rail base it really doesn’t “hold” the rail.  It does add to helping keep the rail in gauge in the sense that the spikes on both sides of the rail base are in play because of the plate.

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 4:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Union Carbide Covered Hopper 552

 

That’s not unknown in little used sidings.  Unusual, yes, but not unknown.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of gary laakso
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2021 2:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Union Carbide Covered Hopper 552

 

Plus, the no tie plates to hold the rail. 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 11:05 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Union Carbide Covered Hopper 552

 

There IS something strange about that roof . . . the roof walk has many humps in it and appears to rest on the hatch covers.  ??                                                         

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlie Vlk
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2021 1:47 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Union Carbide Covered Hopper 552

 

All-

It almost looks like the running boards were improperly installed….it looks like there are supports for off-center boards and the hatches are hinged to open along the length of the car.  It doesn’t look like the boards have any attachment from the laterals inboard.

Also note the use of arch bar trucks in a car built in 1935!!!

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 10:51 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Union Carbide Covered Hopper 552

 

Photo: Union Carbide Covered Hopper 552

Photos from the Pullman Library:

https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/Railroad-U-Z/i-gsBLCHC/A

https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/Railroad-U-Z/i-xrnPPtP/buy

Click on the photos twice for maximum enlargement.

Built 12-40.

Interesting inboard hatch cover arrangement.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: WCHX type X tank car

 

The January 1954 ORER has this:

WCHX    4074-4102     ARAIII   4500 gal.

So, good eye Steve!

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide


Re: WCHX type X tank car

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Note the shape of the bolsters and saddles on this GATX car

 

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 3:47 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] WCHX type X tank car

 

While this looks like an ex-UTLX Type X car, I am not so sure.  A 6500 gallon Type X car’s tank looks “beefier” than this one.  So a 4000 or 4500 gallon car seems more likely.  I don’t recall UTLX having any 4500 gallon Type X cars.

 

When UTLX converted Type X cars to AB brakes, only the reservoir was placed on the opposite side of the center sill from the cylinder, not the AB valve.

 

Third, the bolsters do not look the UTLX Type X version.  The look more like GATX’s.

 

FWIW

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 1:08 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] WCHX type X tank car

 

Andy and Friends,

 

W.C. Haftner Co., operating 99 cars in 1958. According to my 1958 ORER listing, this is from series 4065 to 4102, an ICC 103 type, with a capacity of 4,500 gallons. A note says this car has an aluminum tank. I'm not buying that. Likely this photo is from before 1958, and had been replaced by a newer car using the same number.

 

Or could that be 4055? If so, it was off the roster by 1958, as there is no car with that number listed. Anybody with an earlier ORER want to take a swing at this one?

 

Nice photo though. Very interesting car.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆

 

On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 11:16 AM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:

Maybe this has been shared before, but a color shot of a framed type X tank car in LA's Taylor yard deserves some re-viewing. WCHX 4095 with AB brakes, believed to be circa 1958.

 

 

Inline image

 

-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA


Re: WCHX type X tank car

Steve and Barb Hile
 

While this looks like an ex-UTLX Type X car, I am not so sure.  A 6500 gallon Type X car’s tank looks “beefier” than this one.  So a 4000 or 4500 gallon car seems more likely.  I don’t recall UTLX having any 4500 gallon Type X cars.

 

When UTLX converted Type X cars to AB brakes, only the reservoir was placed on the opposite side of the center sill from the cylinder, not the AB valve.

 

Third, the bolsters do not look the UTLX Type X version.  The look more like GATX’s.

 

FWIW

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 1:08 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] WCHX type X tank car

 

Andy and Friends,

 

W.C. Haftner Co., operating 99 cars in 1958. According to my 1958 ORER listing, this is from series 4065 to 4102, an ICC 103 type, with a capacity of 4,500 gallons. A note says this car has an aluminum tank. I'm not buying that. Likely this photo is from before 1958, and had been replaced by a newer car using the same number.

 

Or could that be 4055? If so, it was off the roster by 1958, as there is no car with that number listed. Anybody with an earlier ORER want to take a swing at this one?

 

Nice photo though. Very interesting car.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆

 

On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 11:16 AM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:

Maybe this has been shared before, but a color shot of a framed type X tank car in LA's Taylor yard deserves some re-viewing. WCHX 4095 with AB brakes, believed to be circa 1958.

 

 

Inline image

 

-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA


Re: Yosemite Portland Cement Incline

Richard Wilkens
 

Coos Bay Timber in Oregon also had some of these GN hopper cars on their logging railroad.

Rich Wilkens


Re: Mun-Roe

Tim O'Connor
 


It's been a while (last June), but maybe he is busy planning Prototype Rails 2022?

Give Mike a poke if you want to -- brockm@...



On 5/3/2021 3:53 PM, Steve Haas wrote:

Been wondering about Mike myself.

 

Steve Haas

Snoqualmie, WA

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy Carlson
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 10:20 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Mun-Roe

 

How long has it been since we heard from Mike Brock?

-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA

 

On Monday, April 19, 2021, 10:08:59 AM PDT, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

 

 

Nelson Moyer wrote:

"It must be a pretty slow modeling week for this thread to last this long."

 

Or absent moderators.

 

 

Ben Hom



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: WCHX type X tank car

Dave Bayless
 


Looks like 4095 to me, just like the caption says.
Dave B.
Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device

------ Original message------
From: Andy Carlson
Date: Fri, May 7, 2021 1:07 PM
To: Stmfc;
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Subject:[RealSTMFC] WCHX type X tank car

Inline image
Maybe 4096?

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From: Chris Barkan >

I am thinking it looks like 4085.  See enhanced photo attached.
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Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL
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