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Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Resemble Grease

Philip Dove
 

Depends what type of grease you want to represent, but for some grease, (graphite based ones?)ordinary pencil lead or powdered graphite as used to lubricate Kadee couplings can leave a greasy look in weathering.

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CP Minibox

Allan Smith
 

I have conductors lists for the Sierra RR that show a CP miniboxcar Car # 242580. I am ready to build an F&C model of this car. Going thru all the articles and Photos I can find I notice that this series 242500-242999 originally had a vertical brake staff  Photos of 242550 show this feature. My question is Did theses cars receive a horizontal brake wheel when the cars were converted to AB brakes? Or was the original vertical brake staff retained..


Al Smith
Sonora CA


Re: Photo: Unloading Something From A Boxcar

Bruce Smith
 

Bob,

I have a few different interpretations:

1) the bag hanging from the roof is a balance for a drop gate to access the bed of the truck.
2) the material in the dump cart, being dumped in the truck, is loose material being transferred from the boxcar.
3) the material on the ground that looks like bags is likely a paper door liner to keep whatever is loose in the car clean and uncomtaminatd.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...>
Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 11:56 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Unloading Something From A Boxcar
 

Photo: Unloading Something From A Boxcar

Photo from the Wisconsin Historical Society:

https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM94069

I believe the description for this photo is incorrect.

What I see are bags of some dry material being unloaded and mixed in the rear of the truck.

I also see what may be a scale near the boxcar door, possibly for weighing the material in the bags.

I’m guessing here.

What do other see?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Yosemite Portland Cement Incline

Jim Betz
 

Hi,
  The ex-GN hoppers on the Sierra that are used for ballast service are
the early ones from the Mesabi range.  The GN replaced them with
cars more suited to their Ore service and sold them off to whoever
would buy them.  Ballast service is less 'demanding' than ore service
so they lasted a long time and often changed hands.
                                                                                            - Jim


Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Resemble Grease

Mark Rossiter
 

There is a 1/2 oz. Of Poly Scale oily black showing in stock under 'Miscellaneous Colors" p/n 500-015 on the narrowgaugemodeling.com website. 

Mark Rossiter


Re: Accuracy Of The Official Railway Equipment Registers - car rebuilding

Dave Parker
 

My sense (no data) is that, at least in the northeast, the rebuilding of 36-ft box-cars constructed ca 1906-1914 was continuing unabated through the 1920s.  These were almost all SUF cars.  The thing that stopped these rebuilding programs cold was the Depression.  Not much surplus capital, and lots of cars sitting around on sidings looking for loads.  Maybe an oversimplification, but it works for me. YMMV of course.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Photo: Union Carbide Covered Hopper 552

Charlie Vlk
 

All-

If I am not mistaken, “Tie Plates” are just that….they are used to spread the load on a wider area than the rail base in an effort to prevent the tie from failing under the rail.  While there is a seat for the rail base it really doesn’t “hold” the rail.  It does add to helping keep the rail in gauge in the sense that the spikes on both sides of the rail base are in play because of the plate.

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 4:29 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Union Carbide Covered Hopper 552

 

That’s not unknown in little used sidings.  Unusual, yes, but not unknown.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of gary laakso
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2021 2:10 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Union Carbide Covered Hopper 552

 

Plus, the no tie plates to hold the rail. 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 11:05 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Union Carbide Covered Hopper 552

 

There IS something strange about that roof . . . the roof walk has many humps in it and appears to rest on the hatch covers.  ??                                                         

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlie Vlk
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2021 1:47 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Union Carbide Covered Hopper 552

 

All-

It almost looks like the running boards were improperly installed….it looks like there are supports for off-center boards and the hatches are hinged to open along the length of the car.  It doesn’t look like the boards have any attachment from the laterals inboard.

Also note the use of arch bar trucks in a car built in 1935!!!

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 10:51 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Union Carbide Covered Hopper 552

 

Photo: Union Carbide Covered Hopper 552

Photos from the Pullman Library:

https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/Railroad-U-Z/i-gsBLCHC/A

https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/Railroad-U-Z/i-xrnPPtP/buy

Click on the photos twice for maximum enlargement.

Built 12-40.

Interesting inboard hatch cover arrangement.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: WCHX type X tank car

 

The January 1954 ORER has this:

WCHX    4074-4102     ARAIII   4500 gal.

So, good eye Steve!

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide


Re: WCHX type X tank car

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Note the shape of the bolsters and saddles on this GATX car

 

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 3:47 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] WCHX type X tank car

 

While this looks like an ex-UTLX Type X car, I am not so sure.  A 6500 gallon Type X car’s tank looks “beefier” than this one.  So a 4000 or 4500 gallon car seems more likely.  I don’t recall UTLX having any 4500 gallon Type X cars.

 

When UTLX converted Type X cars to AB brakes, only the reservoir was placed on the opposite side of the center sill from the cylinder, not the AB valve.

 

Third, the bolsters do not look the UTLX Type X version.  The look more like GATX’s.

 

FWIW

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 1:08 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] WCHX type X tank car

 

Andy and Friends,

 

W.C. Haftner Co., operating 99 cars in 1958. According to my 1958 ORER listing, this is from series 4065 to 4102, an ICC 103 type, with a capacity of 4,500 gallons. A note says this car has an aluminum tank. I'm not buying that. Likely this photo is from before 1958, and had been replaced by a newer car using the same number.

 

Or could that be 4055? If so, it was off the roster by 1958, as there is no car with that number listed. Anybody with an earlier ORER want to take a swing at this one?

 

Nice photo though. Very interesting car.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆

 

On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 11:16 AM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:

Maybe this has been shared before, but a color shot of a framed type X tank car in LA's Taylor yard deserves some re-viewing. WCHX 4095 with AB brakes, believed to be circa 1958.

 

 

Inline image

 

-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA


Re: WCHX type X tank car

Steve and Barb Hile
 

While this looks like an ex-UTLX Type X car, I am not so sure.  A 6500 gallon Type X car’s tank looks “beefier” than this one.  So a 4000 or 4500 gallon car seems more likely.  I don’t recall UTLX having any 4500 gallon Type X cars.

 

When UTLX converted Type X cars to AB brakes, only the reservoir was placed on the opposite side of the center sill from the cylinder, not the AB valve.

 

Third, the bolsters do not look the UTLX Type X version.  The look more like GATX’s.

 

FWIW

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 1:08 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] WCHX type X tank car

 

Andy and Friends,

 

W.C. Haftner Co., operating 99 cars in 1958. According to my 1958 ORER listing, this is from series 4065 to 4102, an ICC 103 type, with a capacity of 4,500 gallons. A note says this car has an aluminum tank. I'm not buying that. Likely this photo is from before 1958, and had been replaced by a newer car using the same number.

 

Or could that be 4055? If so, it was off the roster by 1958, as there is no car with that number listed. Anybody with an earlier ORER want to take a swing at this one?

 

Nice photo though. Very interesting car.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆

 

On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 11:16 AM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:

Maybe this has been shared before, but a color shot of a framed type X tank car in LA's Taylor yard deserves some re-viewing. WCHX 4095 with AB brakes, believed to be circa 1958.

 

 

Inline image

 

-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA


Re: Yosemite Portland Cement Incline

Richard Wilkens
 

Coos Bay Timber in Oregon also had some of these GN hopper cars on their logging railroad.

Rich Wilkens


Re: Mun-Roe

Tim O'Connor
 


It's been a while (last June), but maybe he is busy planning Prototype Rails 2022?

Give Mike a poke if you want to -- brockm@...



On 5/3/2021 3:53 PM, Steve Haas wrote:

Been wondering about Mike myself.

 

Steve Haas

Snoqualmie, WA

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy Carlson
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 10:20 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Mun-Roe

 

How long has it been since we heard from Mike Brock?

-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA

 

On Monday, April 19, 2021, 10:08:59 AM PDT, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

 

 

Nelson Moyer wrote:

"It must be a pretty slow modeling week for this thread to last this long."

 

Or absent moderators.

 

 

Ben Hom



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: WCHX type X tank car

Dave Bayless
 


Looks like 4095 to me, just like the caption says.
Dave B.
Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device

------ Original message------
From: Andy Carlson
Date: Fri, May 7, 2021 1:07 PM
To: Stmfc;
Cc:
Subject:[RealSTMFC] WCHX type X tank car

Inline image
Maybe 4096?

----- Forwarded Message -----
From: Chris Barkan >

I am thinking it looks like 4085.  See enhanced photo attached.
--
Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL
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Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Resemble Grease

Jim Sabol
 

No Poly Scale Oily Black, or any color,  at Des Plaines, Micro Mark, Walthers . . .    Any ideas?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


WCHX type X tank car

Andy Carlson
 

Inline image
Maybe 4096?

----- Forwarded Message -----
From: Chris Barkan <cplbarkan@...>

I am thinking it looks like 4085.  See enhanced photo attached.
--
Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL
_._,_._,_


Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Resemble Grease

Jim Sabol
 

Thanks, guys. I’ll look for that Poly Scale Oily Black.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: CB&Q Livestock Car: Single Deck? Double Deck?

Bob Chaparro
 

I note that the Leadville Designs folks didn't make the effort to replicate the angle iron bracing on their N-scale models, although Voltscooter Engineering has shown that it can be done using 3-D resin printing, as they have on their N-scale stock cars based on Southern Pacific prototypes.

 

Diane Wolfgram

Butte, MT


Re: [Classic-UP] Private cars used for UP fuel oil and diesel

Aley, Jeff A
 

Mark,

 

               Thanks, this is very interesting!   I am fascinated that the UP also used cars from EJR – the East Jersey Railroad and Terminal Company.  According to the ORER reprint, page 366, this 8.6-mile long railroad had 273 freight cars, all of which were tank cars.  I wonder if anyone has any photos of these EJR cars.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

 

 

From: Classic-UP@groups.io <Classic-UP@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 9:37 AM
To: Classic-UP@groups.io
Subject: [Classic-UP] Private cars used for UP fuel oil and diesel

 

Hello all,

The question of how UP received its fuel in the transition era has come up from time to time.  I found this UP memo from the early 1950s that may be of interest.  It's from the Colorado RR Museum's archive in Golden.  

It lists a group of private tank cars that were in UP company fuel oil and diesel service.  Apparently these were used along with UP cars to deliver fuel and diesel from various refineries to engine facilities and mainline fueling facilities across the system.  The full letter is posted at the end of this message.  The private cars were owned by Tidewater Oil Co., with initials TIDX and TWOX, a mix of small 8000 and 10,000 gallon tank cars.  I see that these have been offered in HO scale by at least one manufacturer:

HO Scale Models - RR-33054 (intermountain-railway.com)

Thought these might be interesting to add some variety to 1950s layouts.

Take care,

Mark



Re: WCHX type X tank car

Chris Barkan
 

I am thinking it looks like 4085.  See enhanced photo attached.
--
Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR X29B and X29D

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Mike;

 

My observations were only that.  I cannot say for sure what all cases were, but from looking at pics and diagrams indicate.

 

I am not surprised the manufacturers chose a conventional layout.  I just got interested after I saw the mistakes I had made, and thought  about what Ben was saying, and what I was seeing.

 

Due to the odd arrangement of the cross-bearers on the X29, and the lack of change to the u/f in rebuilding, I think they kept that arrangement on rebuilding to X29B.  The G.A. for the X29D looks like they did not relocate the cross-bearers either.  I know they did relocate the cross-bearers for the E, F and G.

 

Finally, the BL car is good for the X29B and early D, with the short taper IDE, but the X29D has an overhanging roof, all of them.  The late X29D has the long taper IDE.  Also note from pics and spreadsheet where the X29D tack boards were.

 

Sorry it’s raining.  We had a big hail storm earlier!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schleigh Mike via groups.io
Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 12:07 PM
To: 'stmfc' <realstmfc@groups.io>; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR X29B and X29D

 

Hello Elden & Group!!

 

This 'cheat sheet' is a great reference to help model well these interesting cars.  Thank you for sharing this.  In spite of it, I still have a couple of questions addressing the brake equipment.  You have noted that the layout is per the drawing below and, without doubt, this is wonderful and seemingly applicable to the 'plain' X29 cars that received AB conversations of their KD brakes.

 

However, both Funaro & Camerlengo (F&C) kits No. 8160 for the X29B and No. 8310 for the X29D (early) as well Sunshine Models (SM) kit No.U1.1 for the X29B show the arrangement differently than that below.  All those kits reflect the use of the rather generic layout like that of the original Cal-Scale arrangement.  Especially obvious is the absence of the Penny's use of the 'pressure head' style of cylinder providing the fulcrum anchor for the 'floating' second lever.  So the question is---Would this more 'conventional' arrangement have been applied to any of the X29 plain cars or perhaps to any of the "B" or "D" rebuilds?  My expectation is "No."  Elden's diagram is found in RP CYC No. 26, page 84 as well as the WrightTrack instructions for the X29D (late).  Ben Hom's second Mainline Modeler article on the X29 included a drawing for the passenger equipped X29 and this is very close to Elden's but relating the 'signal' air line details.  RP CYC  No. 24 discussing the original X29 cars has several images showing the reservoir mounted transversely.  This must have been a minority option as most photos seem to be per the Elden layout.

 

So, to be clear----

 

1)  Are the F&C and SM instructions for X29B and X29D brake equipment layout simply wrong and is the Elden layout consistent for all these rebuilt cars?

 

2)  Is the Elden drawing for the rebuilt cars also applicable to the plain X29 cars re-equipped with AB?

 

3)  Is there any logic to finding  the transversely mounted reservoir?  They seem to be found only on the last production (Dreadnaught ends) cars as if the two-chamber reservoir replaced the original single style in the same location.  Was this consistent throughout the group?

 

Obviously, photos are most helpful to accurate modeling but......

 

4)  If we want to model a certain car number from a particular date but have no photo, can we at least be relatively certain that a given brake arrangement applies to that car?

 

5)  Elden notes that Branchline (now Atlas) car bodies are applicable for the three body/door sizes for the X29B and two styles of X29D.  Can those Branch/Atlas part numbers be made known?

 

Thank you Elden and thank all in advance for contributions responsive to the questions above.

 

Regards from Grove City, Penna. where it is cold and raining----Mike Schleigh

 

 

On Monday, April 12, 2021, 01:29:34 PM EDT, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

 

 

Here’s the “cheat sheet” for what you need on your X29B or X29D:

 

6

X29B

27513

27554

27663

 

27901

 

28123

28460

 

28647

28730

29412

29646

30001

30012

30036

30613

30689

 

30753

30814

30949

30998

Sunshine

Vol 2 p.34

Burg

 

Burg

 

Bob

Lane

 

Vol 2 p.34

Vol 3 p.51

CWinters

RPC26

Suns - Burg

Vol 2 p.34

Burg

Vol 3 p.52

Vol 3 p.51

 

RPC26

Vol 2 p.34

Bob

Vol 1 p.71

SK Calendar; ? RB; Ajax brakes

CK; Apex RB; ? brakes

PK; Universal brakes; reinforced sidesill

SK Calendar P712-6-54; unknown brakes

SK;; ptd 8/54; Morton r/b;

CK new 3/51; +end pic) Apex RB; Ureco brakes

SK;

CK; Ureco brakes

SK1a calendar 7/54; ?RB; ?brakes

SK; calendar; 1954

CK; Apex RB; Ureco brakes

SK

PK; Ureco brakes; reinforced sidesill

PK

SK calendar; Apex RB; Klasing?? brakes

CK; Klasing brake

MS1; Apex r/b; Ureco? ; >3/57

MS1; Apex r/b; post 4/61

Sunshine; Funaro & Camerlengo; Branchline 40-foot 7-foot door  w/new u/f and side sills

 

 

 

 

4

X29D

23635

 

23901

 

23960

23963

 

24018

 

24083

 

24085

24086

24115

24166

 

24255

 

24270

24352

 

24359

24361

 

24733

25146

 

255xx?

26194

 

26247

E20851

 

unk

 

Bob

unk

 

Vol 2 p.36

 

Bob

 

Bob

CFC/Bob v.1p.31

Vol 3 p.52

 

JSands/Bob

 

Vol 3 p.52

Vol 1 p.73

 

Vol 1 p.76

CFC 7 p.51

 

M.Bernard

Unk

 

E20943-

PRR StmYr2

E21325

Hagley

SK; new rblt; Apex RB/Ajax brakes; low door boards; 6/55

SK; ? RB/? Brakes; low door boards; >7/55

SK; “Don’t..” slogan – white? Lo bds

SK; “Don’t..” slogan; ?/?RB;? brakes mid-60s low dr&end bds

SK; White “Don’t..” slogan; no paint roof/Apex RB; Klasing?

SK; White “Don’t..” slogan; ?RB low dr board; 8/55

SK; “Don’t..” slogan; ?color; lo bds

SK; Yellow “Don’t..” slogan; 8/55

SK; Yellow “Don’t..” slogan

SK; White “Don’t slogan; ?rb/Klasing brake low boards rblt; 8/55

SK; White “Don’t…” slogan; Apex RB low boards; Klasing brake; 8/55

SK; White “Don’t…” slogan

SK; White “Don’t…” slogan; Ajax brake

SK; White “Don’t…” slogan

SK; White “Don’t…” slogan low boards 1963

SK no slogan low boards rblt 9/55

SK no slogan low boards; rblt 10/55; Apex; Universal Brake;late IDE

CK; early IDE, but bad photo; p.64

SK; hi boards!; “blt 8/24” added racks 10/57 for Grand Rapids

CK; hi boards; rolling pin IDE, Apex; Ajax 2/60+

Branchline 40-foot 7-foot door  w/new u/f and side sills;

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

24166 with Klasing Brake

 

Elden Gatwood

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