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Re: Photo: Unloading Something From A Boxcar

Clarence Zink
 

I'd agree with Dennis.  Using his link to the Matich Corp website, and clicking on the photo "first paver" (second row, far right picture) shows a dump truck with a three compartment bed, probably similar to what is being loaded at the boxcar:


Makes sense that the compartments contain sand, aggregate, and portland cement, any of which, or all, could be unloaded from the boxcar.  Portland was probably in bags, but the sand and aggregate would not need "protection", and could have been loaded and unloaded "loose'.

CRZ


Re: CP Minibox

Gavin
 

Question, are you one of the guys behind TLT?


On Sat, May 8, 2021, 11:31 AM Randy Hammill <nhrr@...> wrote:
On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 11:55 AM, Mark Rossiter wrote:

 

Al, my True Line Trains version of this car has AB brakes with an Ajax brake wheel.  It has ‘VAN 1947’ markings.  I will leave it to others to determine if this is accurate or not. 

 

Mark Rossiter

 

 Would the photo we used to produce the TLT model be sufficient?



Incidentally, I found a photo of the lumber door in Dave Peters' collection after we produced the tooling:



Randy
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Randy Hammill
Prototype Junction
http://prototypejunction.com

Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954
http://newbritainstation.com


Re: CP Minibox

Randy Hammill
 

On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 11:55 AM, Mark Rossiter wrote:

 

Al, my True Line Trains version of this car has AB brakes with an Ajax brake wheel.  It has ‘VAN 1947’ markings.  I will leave it to others to determine if this is accurate or not. 

 

Mark Rossiter

 

 Would the photo we used to produce the TLT model be sufficient?



Incidentally, I found a photo of the lumber door in Dave Peters' collection after we produced the tooling:



Randy
--

Randy Hammill
Prototype Junction
http://prototypejunction.com

Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954
http://newbritainstation.com


MDT Freight Car Brown

Nelson Moyer
 

I’m ready to paint a wood MDT reefer originally series 19940-19999, renumbered in series 43000-43999 when converted to AB brakes. The few color photos I have of MDT reefers were taken in the orange scheme with freight car red ends and roofs, but the freight car red looks more like a freight car brown. I checked the  RPC Vol 3 freight car color mix table for Floquil, and the recommendation is 1 part D&H Caboose Red and 3 parts Southern Freight Car Brown. I can use the various conversion tables to get a close match to the Floquil colors, but I’d like to know if there is a better option.

 

Tru Color makes NCY Freight Car Brown, and since MDT was a subsidiary of NYC, wouldn’t they use the same boxcar color as NYC? If that’s a valid assumption, I’ll use Tru Color for the ends and roof. If not, what are modelers using today for MDT freight car brown?

 

Nelson Moyer


Re: CP Minibox

Scott
 

Allan, in case you were not aware Black Cat makes great decals for these cars.

Scott McDonald 


Re: Barnsdall Company car BIGX 119 and the Rio Grande Oil Co.

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Andy,

I think we discussed Barnsdall Oil Co. when this group was young, or maybe it was on STMFC. You might find something in our archives. All I have to offer is the attached photo of a Barnsdall gas station which may have come from that discussion.

Great building, but I'm more into Sinclair which in times past had a strong presence in Virginia. Besides, my spouse is a Sinclair by descent, and as the Ferengi say in the RULES OF ACQUISITION, "It never hurts to suck up to the boss." It is to please her that I still have one of those oversized Walthers tank cars lettered for Sinclair, as well as more accurate models from Proto 2000 and Tangent.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 11:13 AM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
In 1928, the Barnsdall-Rio Grande Oil Co. built an iconic gas station on the edge of their site of the very profitable Ellwood Beach oil field. Their colorful RGOX tank car, featured on the cover of "Focus of the Freight Car" book was part of a West coast complete gasoline business from drilling to company retail gas stations.

I would like to learn more about Barnsdall's tank car operations and if morphed into the Rio Grande Oil Co. by the 1937 time of the RGOX cover featured tank car.  There is very little to be found from my online searches.

Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Saturday, May 8, 2021, 7:50:02 AM PDT, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) <claus@...> wrote:


Hi Garth and List Members,
 
With respect to the "Athearn model of three-dome tank car", Garth wrote:
 
"No prototype at all. Yes, there were three-compartment tank cars, but nearly all were much smaller than the Athearn . . . uh . . . model. The tank size represents a total volume of about 12,000 gallons. Most triples were 8,000 or smaller"
 
Decades back, in 1978, Cyril Durrenberger wrote an article in Prototype modeler Dec 1978 issue pg 54 with respect to shortening this car to make a model of Barnsdall Company car BIGX 119. See link below for an image of his result...
 
 
You can see the entire article at http://magazine.trainlife.com/ptm_1978_12/
 
Mr Durrenberger mentions that a prototype photo of this car was to be found on page 33 of 15Apr1927 issue of 'Petroleum Age' - I have looked around for a copy of this publication on the internet but have had no luck.
 
My Dec1930 ORER confirms that the series BIGX 101-120 were 8000 gal 80,000 lb three compartment cars.
 
(1) Has anyone seen the prototype photo of this car found on page 33 of 15Apr1927 issue of 'Petroleum Age'? If so, care to comment on the accuracy of  Mr Durrenberger's result? Or better yet, care to share the photo?
 
(2) I assume shortening the car probably would leave it still too large to be in the 8000 gal range, is that accurate? Probably because the tank diameter is too large, and that cannot be easily corrected, right?
 
All thoughts on the topic welcome.
 
Claus Schlund
 


Photo: Freight Cars At Algonquin Tannery, Sault Sainte Marie (1932)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Freight Cars At Algonquin Tannery, Sault Sainte Marie (1932)

A photo from the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Libraries:

https://collections.lib.uwm.edu/digital/collection/agsnorth/id/13169/rec/15

Click on the arrows and scroll to enlarge the photo.

Jack Mullen commented that the stacked material appears to be tanbark, a large-volume input to the tanning process.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railway Bull Shippers Group

https://groups.io/g/RailwayBullShippersGroup


Snippet: Stock Movements

Bob Chaparro
 

Snippet: Stock Movements

Courtesy of Ron Christensen, here is part of an article by Marshall E. Schaeffer that appeared in the True Tales section of the April 1947 Railroad Magazine.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railway Bull Shippers Group

https://groups.io/g/RailwayBullShippersGroup


Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Resemble Grease

Gary Ray
 

Note that there is a type in the link.  Should be NarrowGaugeModeling.com.

 

Or click here:  Narrow Gauge Modeling Co. | Best of Class Accessories for O & 1/4" Scale, On18, On2, On3, and On30

 

Gary Ray

Magalia, CA

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Decker
Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 8:47 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Resemble Grease

 

Indeed!  NarrowGuageModeling.com is a "hidden" gem.  He has been purchasing batches of Floquil and PollyScale whenever he finds them, often from closing hobby shops (retail and "in the closet?"--wink).  He got a batch of 800 bottles a few months ago that yielded more of a couple of colors I use extensively.  If you need Floquil or PolyScale, this is a great resource!

Bill Decker
McMinnville, Oregon


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Re: Photo: Unloading Something From A Boxcar

Jeff Ford
 

The fella in the door of the car is holding a scoop.  That suggests the contents of the car are loose, hence the dump cart and scale.  This was still the era of manual unloading for bulk products shipped in boxcars (think grain). Still not sure about the crumpled whatzit on the ground. 

$0.02,
-Jeff Ford
Sanger, Texas


Re: CP Minibox

Mark Rossiter
 

 

Al, my True Line Trains version of this car has AB brakes with an Ajax brake wheel.  It has ‘VAN 1947’ markings.  I will leave it to others to determine if this is accurate or not. 

 

Mark Rossiter

 


Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Resemble Grease

Bill Decker
 

Indeed!  NarrowGuageModeling.com is a "hidden" gem.  He has been purchasing batches of Floquil and PollyScale whenever he finds them, often from closing hobby shops (retail and "in the closet?"--wink).  He got a batch of 800 bottles a few months ago that yielded more of a couple of colors I use extensively.  If you need Floquil or PolyScale, this is a great resource!

Bill Decker
McMinnville, Oregon


Re: Barnsdall Company car BIGX 119 and the Rio Grande Oil Co.

Steve and Barb Hile
 

As far as I know, the Barnsdall tank cars were purchased by UTLX in 1933 and UTLX provided cars to Barnsdall under lease arrangements.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andy Carlson
Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 10:13 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Barnsdall Company car BIGX 119 and the Rio Grande Oil Co.

 

In 1928, the Barnsdall-Rio Grande Oil Co. built an iconic gas station on the edge of their site of the very profitable Ellwood Beach oil field. Their colorful RGOX tank car, featured on the cover of "Focus of the Freight Car" book was part of a West coast complete gasoline business from drilling to company retail gas stations.

 

I would like to learn more about Barnsdall's tank car operations and if morphed into the Rio Grande Oil Co. by the 1937 time of the RGOX cover featured tank car.  There is very little to be found from my online searches.

 

Thanks,

-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA

 

On Saturday, May 8, 2021, 7:50:02 AM PDT, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) <claus@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi Garth and List Members,

 

With respect to the "Athearn model of three-dome tank car", Garth wrote:

 

"No prototype at all. Yes, there were three-compartment tank cars, but nearly all were much smaller than the Athearn . . . uh . . . model. The tank size represents a total volume of about 12,000 gallons. Most triples were 8,000 or smaller"

 

Decades back, in 1978, Cyril Durrenberger wrote an article in Prototype modeler Dec 1978 issue pg 54 with respect to shortening this car to make a model of Barnsdall Company car BIGX 119. See link below for an image of his result...

 

 

You can see the entire article at http://magazine.trainlife.com/ptm_1978_12/

 

Mr Durrenberger mentions that a prototype photo of this car was to be found on page 33 of 15Apr1927 issue of 'Petroleum Age' - I have looked around for a copy of this publication on the internet but have had no luck.

 

My Dec1930 ORER confirms that the series BIGX 101-120 were 8000 gal 80,000 lb three compartment cars.

 

(1) Has anyone seen the prototype photo of this car found on page 33 of 15Apr1927 issue of 'Petroleum Age'? If so, care to comment on the accuracy of  Mr Durrenberger's result? Or better yet, care to share the photo?

 

(2) I assume shortening the car probably would leave it still too large to be in the 8000 gal range, is that accurate? Probably because the tank diameter is too large, and that cannot be easily corrected, right?

 

All thoughts on the topic welcome.

 

Claus Schlund

 

 


Re: Barnsdall Company car BIGX 119 (was Private cars used for UP fuel oil and diesel)

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Claus,

 

At this point in time, you would probably have to find a library with bound editions of magazines, like Petroleum Age.  The digitations of such creeps along with the years as copyrights expire.  The latest on-line edition of Petroleum Age that I could find with Google Books is 1925.

 

To comment on the other question – I think that you are correct about the tank diameter.  To go from 12000 to 8000 gallons would mean removing about a third of the tank volume and Cyril’s method is not able to do that.

 

Sorry,

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 9:50 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Barnsdall Company car BIGX 119 (was Private cars used for UP fuel oil and diesel)

 

Hi Garth and List Members,

 

With respect to the "Athearn model of three-dome tank car", Garth wrote:

 

"No prototype at all. Yes, there were three-compartment tank cars, but nearly all were much smaller than the Athearn . . . uh . . . model. The tank size represents a total volume of about 12,000 gallons. Most triples were 8,000 or smaller"

 

Decades back, in 1978, Cyril Durrenberger wrote an article in Prototype modeler Dec 1978 issue pg 54 with respect to shortening this car to make a model of Barnsdall Company car BIGX 119. See link below for an image of his result...

 

 

You can see the entire article at http://magazine.trainlife.com/ptm_1978_12/

 

Mr Durrenberger mentions that a prototype photo of this car was to be found on page 33 of 15Apr1927 issue of 'Petroleum Age' - I have looked around for a copy of this publication on the internet but have had no luck.

 

My Dec1930 ORER confirms that the series BIGX 101-120 were 8000 gal 80,000 lb three compartment cars.

 

(1) Has anyone seen the prototype photo of this car found on page 33 of 15Apr1927 issue of 'Petroleum Age'? If so, care to comment on the accuracy of  Mr Durrenberger's result? Or better yet, care to share the photo?

 

(2) I assume shortening the car probably would leave it still too large to be in the 8000 gal range, is that accurate? Probably because the tank diameter is too large, and that cannot be easily corrected, right?

 

All thoughts on the topic welcome.

 

Claus Schlund

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2021 8:09 AM

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] [Classic-UP] Private cars used for UP fuel oil and diesel

 

Ray,

 

No prototype at all. Yes, there were three-compartment tank cars, but nearly all were much smaller than the Athearn . . . uh . . . model. The tank size represents a total volume of about 12,000 gallons. Most triples were 8,000 or smaller. The Athearn offering is trainset junk, as are/were several knock-offs by other trainset manufacturers.

 

The only correct plastic model of a three compartment tank car that I can think of is Tangent's 6,000 gallon General American car, currently not in production: https://www.tangentscalemodels.com/general-american-6000-gal-3-comp-tank-car/ . IIRC, there have been one or two resin kits for this type of car, and of course there have been brass models of varying quality and accuracy.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆

 

 

 

On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 7:20 AM Ray Hutchison <rayhutchison2@...> wrote:

Book (above) and there was an Athearn model of three-dome tank car.  Not certain how true to prototype it might be.

https://www.pwrs.ca/announcements/view.php?ID=9181

rh


Barnsdall Company car BIGX 119 and the Rio Grande Oil Co.

Andy Carlson
 

In 1928, the Barnsdall-Rio Grande Oil Co. built an iconic gas station on the edge of their site of the very profitable Ellwood Beach oil field. Their colorful RGOX tank car, featured on the cover of "Focus of the Freight Car" book was part of a West coast complete gasoline business from drilling to company retail gas stations.

I would like to learn more about Barnsdall's tank car operations and if morphed into the Rio Grande Oil Co. by the 1937 time of the RGOX cover featured tank car.  There is very little to be found from my online searches.

Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Saturday, May 8, 2021, 7:50:02 AM PDT, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) <claus@...> wrote:


Hi Garth and List Members,
 
With respect to the "Athearn model of three-dome tank car", Garth wrote:
 
"No prototype at all. Yes, there were three-compartment tank cars, but nearly all were much smaller than the Athearn . . . uh . . . model. The tank size represents a total volume of about 12,000 gallons. Most triples were 8,000 or smaller"
 
Decades back, in 1978, Cyril Durrenberger wrote an article in Prototype modeler Dec 1978 issue pg 54 with respect to shortening this car to make a model of Barnsdall Company car BIGX 119. See link below for an image of his result...
 
 
You can see the entire article at http://magazine.trainlife.com/ptm_1978_12/
 
Mr Durrenberger mentions that a prototype photo of this car was to be found on page 33 of 15Apr1927 issue of 'Petroleum Age' - I have looked around for a copy of this publication on the internet but have had no luck.
 
My Dec1930 ORER confirms that the series BIGX 101-120 were 8000 gal 80,000 lb three compartment cars.
 
(1) Has anyone seen the prototype photo of this car found on page 33 of 15Apr1927 issue of 'Petroleum Age'? If so, care to comment on the accuracy of  Mr Durrenberger's result? Or better yet, care to share the photo?
 
(2) I assume shortening the car probably would leave it still too large to be in the 8000 gal range, is that accurate? Probably because the tank diameter is too large, and that cannot be easily corrected, right?
 
All thoughts on the topic welcome.
 
Claus Schlund
 

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Re: Accuracy Of The Official Railway Equipment Registers - car rebuilding

Dennis Storzek
 

On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 03:35 PM, Dave Parker wrote:
My sense (no data) is that, at least in the northeast, the rebuilding of 36-ft box-cars constructed ca 1906-1914 was continuing unabated through the 1920s.
This was certainly the case with the NYC system. At the turn of the twentieth century they were building 36' boxcars with truss rod wood underframes; about 1910 they adapted the same design to SUF, then almost immediately started rebuilding the earlier cars with several designs of retrofit SUF. Found several drawings in the Pullman Library of the underframes when researching the cars that were the prototype for the Accurail model. Some of these earlier cars were about 1'-6" shorter and the underframes were built to fit that shorter length. By WWI the rebuilding was also including new steel ends, and as the cars were re-roofed with outside metal roofs in the twenties, the rebuilt cars became virtually indistinguishable from the cars that had been built new with these features.

Dennis Storzek


Barnsdall Company car BIGX 119 (was Private cars used for UP fuel oil and diesel)

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Garth and List Members,
 
With respect to the "Athearn model of three-dome tank car", Garth wrote:
 
"No prototype at all. Yes, there were three-compartment tank cars, but nearly all were much smaller than the Athearn . . . uh . . . model. The tank size represents a total volume of about 12,000 gallons. Most triples were 8,000 or smaller"
 
Decades back, in 1978, Cyril Durrenberger wrote an article in Prototype modeler Dec 1978 issue pg 54 with respect to shortening this car to make a model of Barnsdall Company car BIGX 119. See link below for an image of his result...
 
 
You can see the entire article at http://magazine.trainlife.com/ptm_1978_12/
 
Mr Durrenberger mentions that a prototype photo of this car was to be found on page 33 of 15Apr1927 issue of 'Petroleum Age' - I have looked around for a copy of this publication on the internet but have had no luck.
 
My Dec1930 ORER confirms that the series BIGX 101-120 were 8000 gal 80,000 lb three compartment cars.
 
(1) Has anyone seen the prototype photo of this car found on page 33 of 15Apr1927 issue of 'Petroleum Age'? If so, care to comment on the accuracy of  Mr Durrenberger's result? Or better yet, care to share the photo?
 
(2) I assume shortening the car probably would leave it still too large to be in the 8000 gal range, is that accurate? Probably because the tank diameter is too large, and that cannot be easily corrected, right?
 
All thoughts on the topic welcome.
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2021 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] [Classic-UP] Private cars used for UP fuel oil and diesel

Ray,

No prototype at all. Yes, there were three-compartment tank cars, but nearly all were much smaller than the Athearn . . . uh . . . model. The tank size represents a total volume of about 12,000 gallons. Most triples were 8,000 or smaller. The Athearn offering is trainset junk, as are/were several knock-offs by other trainset manufacturers.

The only correct plastic model of a three compartment tank car that I can think of is Tangent's 6,000 gallon General American car, currently not in production: https://www.tangentscalemodels.com/general-american-6000-gal-3-comp-tank-car/ . IIRC, there have been one or two resin kits for this type of car, and of course there have been brass models of varying quality and accuracy.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆



On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 7:20 AM Ray Hutchison <rayhutchison2@...> wrote:
Book (above) and there was an Athearn model of three-dome tank car.  Not certain how true to prototype it might be.

https://www.pwrs.ca/announcements/view.php?ID=9181

rh


Re: Photo: Unloading Something From A Boxcar

Dennis Storzek
 

I agree with Bruce on all counts, but I still think this is at some major paving project where the scale is being used to accurately measure bulk Portland cement into batch trucks. Otherwise, why not just fill the truck and run the whole truck across a scale? This is certainly a project of long enough duration to make it worth building the platforms ( on both sides of the driveway, no less) and installing the scale.

Dennis Storzek


Re: [Classic-UP] Private cars used for UP fuel oil and diesel

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Ray,

No prototype at all. Yes, there were three-compartment tank cars, but nearly all were much smaller than the Athearn . . . uh . . . model. The tank size represents a total volume of about 12,000 gallons. Most triples were 8,000 or smaller. The Athearn offering is trainset junk, as are/were several knock-offs by other trainset manufacturers.

The only correct plastic model of a three compartment tank car that I can think of is Tangent's 6,000 gallon General American car, currently not in production: https://www.tangentscalemodels.com/general-american-6000-gal-3-comp-tank-car/ . IIRC, there have been one or two resin kits for this type of car, and of course there have been brass models of varying quality and accuracy.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆



On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 7:20 AM Ray Hutchison <rayhutchison2@...> wrote:
Book (above) and there was an Athearn model of three-dome tank car.  Not certain how true to prototype it might be.

https://www.pwrs.ca/announcements/view.php?ID=9181

rh


Re: [Classic-UP] Private cars used for UP fuel oil and diesel

Ray Hutchison
 

Book (above) and there was an Athearn model of three-dome tank car.  Not certain how true to prototype it might be.

https://www.pwrs.ca/announcements/view.php?ID=9181

rh

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