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Re: A busy time at the team track Chicago 1934

Charlie Vlk
 

Claus-

The second link to “A busy time at the team track Chicago 1934” doesn’t take you to the base page with the photo information.

I can’t place the location.   It isn’t east or west of the Wells Street station as the depot(?) clock tower is different.  Doesn’t look like the “potato yard” at Western Avenue….

Charlie Vlk

 

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>> 1934 - an image I find to be spectacular that simply transports us back more than 90 years into the past <<

 

For me, still less than 90 years... ;-)

 

Johannes

Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1954

 

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Hi List Members,

 

A busy time at the team track Chicago 1934 - an image I find to be spectacular that simply transports us back more than 90 years into the past

 

"Men with products on trucks and horse-drawn wagons near train at Chicago Northwestern Railroad Depot"

 

It is clearly wintertime - everyone is wearing their coats, even the horses!

 

 

Quite a number of things immediately jump out at me, a few of them are...

 

(1) Note how many businesses were still using horses to get the job done in this relatively late 1934 date

 

(2) Note how a few of the conveyances are positioned for side-loading, but the vast majority are positioned for diagonal loading, at maybe a 45 degree angle relative to the freight car involved. None of the vehicles has been positioned at a 90 degree angle against the freight cars - I would think this 90 degree angle would make for the easiest work, with the vehicle back loading door flush against the freight car side, but perhaps that would also entirely block the flow of all other vehicular traffic

 

(3) There is a building clearly marked RAILWAY EXPRESS AGENCY above the left end of the activity

 

More info can be found at the link below...

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 

 


Ad: Save A Freight Car (World War I)

Bob Chaparro
 

Ad: Save A Freight Car (World War I)

I never knew a truck manufacturer cared so much for the railroads.

Maybe Packard was just being patriotic.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
 

 


Re: A busy time at the team track Chicago 1934

vapeurchapelon
 

>> 1934 - an image I find to be spectacular that simply transports us back more than 90 years into the past <<
 
For me, still less than 90 years... ;-)
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1954
 
Gesendet: Montag, 10. Mai 2021 um 16:47 Uhr
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Hi List Members,
 
A busy time at the team track Chicago 1934 - an image I find to be spectacular that simply transports us back more than 90 years into the past
 
"Men with products on trucks and horse-drawn wagons near train at Chicago Northwestern Railroad Depot"
 
It is clearly wintertime - everyone is wearing their coats, even the horses!
 
 
Quite a number of things immediately jump out at me, a few of them are...
 
(1) Note how many businesses were still using horses to get the job done in this relatively late 1934 date
 
(2) Note how a few of the conveyances are positioned for side-loading, but the vast majority are positioned for diagonal loading, at maybe a 45 degree angle relative to the freight car involved. None of the vehicles has been positioned at a 90 degree angle against the freight cars - I would think this 90 degree angle would make for the easiest work, with the vehicle back loading door flush against the freight car side, but perhaps that would also entirely block the flow of all other vehicular traffic
 
(3) There is a building clearly marked RAILWAY EXPRESS AGENCY above the left end of the activity
 
More info can be found at the link below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 


Re: A busy time at the team track Chicago 1934

Tim O'Connor
 

Claus

That's pretty amazing! On the other hand, that may be EXACTLY why the photograph was taken. :-D

Tim O'Connor


On 5/10/2021 11:29 AM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) wrote:
Hi Tim and List Members,
 
Another thing to notice - the NYC steel boxcar closest to thte camera is being unloaded - boxes and boxes of RINSO.
 
Now look two cars back from there, a second NYC steel boxcar loaded with boxes of RINSO.
 
Now look at the next car back from there (USRA ss boxcar, road name unknown) - it is also full of boxes of RINSO.
 
Now look at the truck parked there - LOUIS DOBBRATZ SOAD DISTRIBUTORS! Think they might sell RINSO?
 
Now look at the fully loaded horse cart just past the DOBBRATZ truck - it is full to the top with - you guessed it - RINSO boxes
 
I bet the railroad crews simply refered to this as the RINSO track!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] A variety of steel boxcars, Chicago

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Nice job, Tim!

 

Here’s a few more of these guys.

 

No one I know of is doing the u/f for these cars, but they should be.

 

Late long taper IDE, 5-panel riveted sides with 8 ft Ytown door, gussets, and OH diag panel roof, plus unique u/f.  Some had Universal brakes, at least some, Morton r/b’s.  Later groups had different interior equipment, including either Stage Loaders or STB equipment.  See doors for variations on that theme.  And they did change over time.

 

I have not seen the definitive write-up on these sub-classes.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

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605941 - X29G


On 5/10/2021 10:55 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

That is a fabulous collection of cars.

 

I don’t know the classes of many cars, but I think the PRR box car to left is either class X29F or X29G, due to carbody, lettering in late Shadow Keystone sans serif “PRR”, and the deep side sill with “box” supports.

 

I think the car number begins with “605”, but can anyone make out the complete car number?

 

These cars were often used in appliance shipment out of mid-west states like Ohio and Indiana.  Its appearance in Chicago empty could make sense.

 


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Sterling, Massachusetts


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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Box Car flooring question

Tim O'Connor
 


Rejection of empty cars by shippers is a common occurence. I don't know anyone who
"models" it (or cleanout tracks, for that matter), but it's definitely a part of real railroading.

Tim O'Connor


On 4/21/2021 11:18 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

Fritz, you made my day!

 

I won’t stop smiling!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

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Woe betide the man who accidentally sends this car to a grain elevator for loading...

-Fritz Milhaupt


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Re: A busy time at the team track Chicago 1934

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 


Hi Jim and List members,
 
Jim wrote: "I love the guy in the light colored hat who is looking directly at the camera!"
 
I noticed that too! He's the big boss, not going to get his clothes dirty!
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Betz
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] A busy time at the team track Chicago 1934

Claus,
  I love the guy in the light colored hat who is looking directly at the camera!

  I noticed that the 'crews' at the individual cars that are unloading all seem to be
food/household goods.  And that all of them seem to be unloading product in
cardboard boxes.  No reefers in this line of cars.

  "A busy time at the team track" ... INDEED.  I have never seen a team track
that long nor one with anything even close to that many cars.  Each guy 
probably had to "check in" to get the car number for his load.  Most of them
seem to be only one or two guys doing the unloading from the train ... so
they were going to be there for a little while.  

  Question - is this a "30's scene" that was replaced by palletized loads
that were unloading in a freight dock soon after?
                                                                                                       - Jim
                                                                                                                            - Jim


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Re: A busy time at the team track Chicago 1934

Jim Betz
 

Claus,
  I love the guy in the light colored hat who is looking directly at the camera!

  I noticed that the 'crews' at the individual cars that are unloading all seem to be
food/household goods.  And that all of them seem to be unloading product in
cardboard boxes.  No reefers in this line of cars.

  "A busy time at the team track" ... INDEED.  I have never seen a team track
that long nor one with anything even close to that many cars.  Each guy 
probably had to "check in" to get the car number for his load.  Most of them
seem to be only one or two guys doing the unloading from the train ... so
they were going to be there for a little while.  

  Question - is this a "30's scene" that was replaced by palletized loads
that were unloading in a freight dock soon after?
                                                                                                       - Jim
                                                                                                                            - Jim


Re: A busy time at the team track Chicago 1934

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi Tim and List Members,
 
Another thing to notice - the NYC steel boxcar closest to thte camera is being unloaded - boxes and boxes of RINSO.
 
Now look two cars back from there, a second NYC steel boxcar loaded with boxes of RINSO.
 
Now look at the next car back from there (USRA ss boxcar, road name unknown) - it is also full of boxes of RINSO.
 
Now look at the truck parked there - LOUIS DOBBRATZ SOAD DISTRIBUTORS! Think they might sell RINSO?
 
Now look at the fully loaded horse cart just past the DOBBRATZ truck - it is full to the top with - you guessed it - RINSO boxes
 
I bet the railroad crews simply refered to this as the RINSO track!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] A busy time at the team track Chicago 1934

Claus

Horses == TEAMS => TEAMSTERS => TEAM TRACKS :-D

Railroads in the Chicago area had many of these team track yards - tracks with space in between
for teams and later for trucks. Team tracks still exist to serve offline customers with carload service.

Tim O'Connor


On 5/10/2021 10:47 AM, Claus Schlund wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
A busy time at the team track Chicago 1934 - an image I find to be spectacular that simply transports us back more than 90 years into the past
 
"Men with products on trucks and horse-drawn wagons near train at Chicago Northwestern Railroad Depot"
 
It is clearly wintertime - everyone is wearing their coats, even the horses!
 
 
Quite a number of things immediately jump out at me, a few of them are...
 
(1) Note how many businesses were still using horses to get the job done in this relatively late 1934 date
 
(2) Note how a few of the conveyances are positioned for side-loading, but the vast majority are positioned for diagonal loading, at maybe a 45 degree angle relative to the freight car involved. None of the vehicles has been positioned at a 90 degree angle against the freight cars - I would think this 90 degree angle would make for the easiest work, with the vehicle back loading door flush against the freight car side, but perhaps that would also entirely block the flow of all other vehicular traffic
 
(3) There is a building clearly marked RAILWAY EXPRESS AGENCY above the left end of the activity
 
More info can be found at the link below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Flat car with lumber load Vancouver Island

Larry Rice
 

Yes, as I wrote and is clearly shown in the video I provided the link to, the lumber is being loaded onto the ship. 

The flatcars were loaded in the vicinity of Lake Cowichan, roughly centered in the southernmost portion of the island, and then taken eastward to saltwater at Cowichan Bay.

This was an export operation in Cowichan Bay on the eastern shore of Vancouver Island.

Larry Rice
Port Townsend  WA


Re: A busy time at the team track Chicago 1934

Tim O'Connor
 

Claus

Horses == TEAMS => TEAMSTERS => TEAM TRACKS :-D

Railroads in the Chicago area had many of these team track yards - tracks with space in between
for teams and later for trucks. Team tracks still exist to serve offline customers with carload service.

Tim O'Connor


On 5/10/2021 10:47 AM, Claus Schlund wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
A busy time at the team track Chicago 1934 - an image I find to be spectacular that simply transports us back more than 90 years into the past
 
"Men with products on trucks and horse-drawn wagons near train at Chicago Northwestern Railroad Depot"
 
It is clearly wintertime - everyone is wearing their coats, even the horses!
 
 
Quite a number of things immediately jump out at me, a few of them are...
 
(1) Note how many businesses were still using horses to get the job done in this relatively late 1934 date
 
(2) Note how a few of the conveyances are positioned for side-loading, but the vast majority are positioned for diagonal loading, at maybe a 45 degree angle relative to the freight car involved. None of the vehicles has been positioned at a 90 degree angle against the freight cars - I would think this 90 degree angle would make for the easiest work, with the vehicle back loading door flush against the freight car side, but perhaps that would also entirely block the flow of all other vehicular traffic
 
(3) There is a building clearly marked RAILWAY EXPRESS AGENCY above the left end of the activity
 
More info can be found at the link below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] A variety of steel boxcars, Chicago

Tim O'Connor
 


605941 - X29G


On 5/10/2021 10:55 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

That is a fabulous collection of cars.

 

I don’t know the classes of many cars, but I think the PRR box car to left is either class X29F or X29G, due to carbody, lettering in late Shadow Keystone sans serif “PRR”, and the deep side sill with “box” supports.

 

I think the car number begins with “605”, but can anyone make out the complete car number?

 

These cars were often used in appliance shipment out of mid-west states like Ohio and Indiana.  Its appearance in Chicago empty could make sense.

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


team track Channing MI 1927 (Views of C&NW 91635 and CM&StP 99344)

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi List Members,
 
A team track in Channing MI 1927
 
"8/27 Channing - street & ry [railway] yards fr.[from] station. 10:30 a.m. N"
 
 
It looks like an end door boxcar got converted to an elevated storage shed. Or were the end doors added later, like when the freight car first became a shed?
 
Views of C&NW 91635 and CM&StP 99344
 
More info at the link below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 


Re: GN 50ft boxcar in two-tone paint scheme lettered as STORAGE MAIL EXPRESS (in 1983!)

Tim O'Connor
 


I photographed this SAME car in 1991 in Denver (NMRA convention), near the old "union stock yards".

I hope someone preserved it. :-)

Tim O'Connor


On 5/10/2021 10:58 AM, Claus Schlund wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
GN 50ft boxcar in two-tone paint scheme lettered as
 
STORAGE MAIL
EXPRESS
 
and also spray painted TOOL CAR at Denver Union Station
 
 
Altho dated 1983, I suspect this car may have been in service in 1960 or earlier - others will know better than I do.
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


LS&I ds boxcar (road number might be 2003) Munising MI 1930

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi List Members,
 
LS&I ds boxcar (road number might be 2003) Munising MI 1930
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 

 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] A variety of steel boxcars, Chicago

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

That is a fabulous collection of cars.

 

I don’t know the classes of many cars, but I think the PRR box car to left is either class X29F or X29G, due to carbody, lettering in late Shadow Keystone sans serif “PRR”, and the deep side sill with “box” supports.

 

I think the car number begins with “605”, but can anyone make out the complete car number?

 

These cars were often used in appliance shipment out of mid-west states like Ohio and Indiana.  Its appearance in Chicago empty could make sense.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 10:20 AM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] A variety of steel boxcars, Chicago

 

Hi List Members,

 

A variety of steel boxcars, Chicago

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 

 


GN 50ft boxcar in two-tone paint scheme lettered as STORAGE MAIL EXPRESS (in 1983!)

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi List Members,
 
GN 50ft boxcar in two-tone paint scheme lettered as
 
STORAGE MAIL
EXPRESS
 
and also spray painted TOOL CAR at Denver Union Station
 
 
Altho dated 1983, I suspect this car may have been in service in 1960 or earlier - others will know better than I do.
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund

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