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A trio of C&O hoppers

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
A trio of C&O hoppers - from left to right - C&O 31774, C&O 111799, C&O 58590 if I am reading this right.
 
It looks to me like the leftmost and rightmost cars (C&O 31774 and C&O 58590) are of nearly identical construction, the only difference I see is the cut levers
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


C&O 21920 twin hopper

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
C&O 21920 twin hopper
 
The web site thinks the date to be "ca. 1930-1940", but I think I see a 1925 date on the side of the car.
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: NYC 499680 flat and other flat cars at Joy Manufacturing Co (undated)

Jeffrey White
 

There was a mine near Casey IL that was served by the IC and the Q. Don't know if the town was named for the legendary Mudville 9 player though......

Jeff White

Alma IL

On 5/16/2021 6:39 PM, Eric Hansmann wrote:
Just don’t ship them to Mudville. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On May 16, 2021, at 6:37 PM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

Jeff White wrote:

That's interesting.  Joy Manufacturing has (maybe had by now) a plant near me in Mt Vernon IL where they make mining equipment for the mines in Southern Illinois.  I had no idea they were also in West Virginia.  I'm still looking for some 1950s era HO scale mining machines to make a couple flat car loads.

  Jeff, just put the Joy emblem on some big crates . . . and you're there.

Tony Thompson




C&O 33503 - a steel hopper bottom gon - with coal load (undated)

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
C&O 33503 - a steel hopper bottom gon - with coal load (undated)
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: NYC 499680 flat and other flat cars at Joy Manufacturing Co (undated)

Tony Thompson
 

Eric Hansmann wrote:

Just don’t ship them to Mudville. 

Excellent catch, Eric, now that it's baseball season.      

Tony Thompson




Re: NYC 499680 flat and other flat cars at Joy Manufacturing Co (undated)

Eric Hansmann
 

Just don’t ship them to Mudville. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On May 16, 2021, at 6:37 PM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

Jeff White wrote:

That's interesting.  Joy Manufacturing has (maybe had by now) a plant near me in Mt Vernon IL where they make mining equipment for the mines in Southern Illinois.  I had no idea they were also in West Virginia.  I'm still looking for some 1950s era HO scale mining machines to make a couple flat car loads.

  Jeff, just put the Joy emblem on some big crates . . . and you're there.

Tony Thompson




Re: CP345227 drop bottom gon in coal service in West Virginia (!)

Tony Thompson
 

Claus Schlund wrote:

Hi List Members,
 
CP345227 drop bottom gon in coal service in West Virginia (!)
 
I didn't think these cars traveled into the USA, apparently I was wrong
 

Officially, it was against the rules (unless the car is bound for Canada). Unofficially . . . well . . .

Tony Thompson




Re: NYC 499680 flat and other flat cars at Joy Manufacturing Co (undated)

Tony Thompson
 

Jeff White wrote:

That's interesting.  Joy Manufacturing has (maybe had by now) a plant near me in Mt Vernon IL where they make mining equipment for the mines in Southern Illinois.  I had no idea they were also in West Virginia.  I'm still looking for some 1950s era HO scale mining machines to make a couple flat car loads.

  Jeff, just put the Joy emblem on some big crates . . . and you're there.

Tony Thompson




Re: NYC 499680 flat and other flat cars at Joy Manufacturing Co (undated)

Jeffrey White
 

That's interesting.  Joy Manufacturing has (maybe had by now) a plant near me in Mt Vernon IL where they make mining equipment for the mines in Southern Illinois.  I had no idea they were also in West Virginia.  I'm still looking for some 1950s era HO scale mining machines to make a couple flat car loads.

Jeff White

Alma IL


On 5/16/2021 6:22 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
NYC 499680 flat and other flat cars at Joy Manufacturing Co (undated)
 
The cars look to be loaded with mining equipment
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


CP345227 drop bottom gon in coal service in West Virginia (!)

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
CP345227 drop bottom gon in coal service in West Virginia (!)
 
I didn't think these cars traveled into the USA, apparently I was wrong
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


C&O twin hopper possibly 65106 (undated)

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
C&O twin hopper possibly 65106 (undated)
 
Photo from Consolidation Coal Co

https://wvhistoryonview.org/catalog/002024
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


NYC 499680 flat and other flat cars at Joy Manufacturing Co (undated)

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
NYC 499680 flat and other flat cars at Joy Manufacturing Co (undated)
 
The cars look to be loaded with mining equipment
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


WM twin hopper in consist chalk-marked as NO BRAKE (undated)

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
WM twin hopper in consist chalk-marked as NO BRAKE (undated)
 
Hope it's not going too far...
 
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: Block coal ready for shipment from Stonega Mine 1921

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 10:57 AM, Nelson Moyer wrote:
That makes about a much sense as calling a pile of coal a shale heap.
Just because you've never heard it, doesn't mean it's incorrect.

From the Collins dictionary https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/slag
3. 
a mixture of shaleclay, coal dust, and other mineral waste produced during coal mining

From the Cambridge dictionary https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/slag

waste material produced when coal is dug from the ground, or a substance produced by mixing chemicals with metal that has been heated until it is liquid in order to remove unwanted substances from it

Need I go on? It does seem to be British usage, likely took root here in the colonies wherever Cornish miners settled.

Dennis Storzek


Re: An actual Klasing brake wheel

 

On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 11:00 AM, Scott wrote:
Dan,

Do you know the diameter of the Ebay listing wheel?
22"

With only a small # of early exceptions, all vertical wheel power handbrake wheels are 22". Even today.

Dan Smith


Re: An actual Klasing brake wheel

Scott
 

Dan,

Do you know the diameter of the Ebay listing wheel?


Re: Block coal ready for shipment from Stonega Mine 1921

Nelson Moyer
 

That makes about a much sense as calling a pile of coal a shale heap.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevinhlafferty
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2021 12:11 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Block coal ready for shipment from Stonega Mine 1921

 

Slag, no, slag heap, yes. A quick search of multiple dictionaries will turn up the following definition:

 

slag heap


noun

a hillock of waste matter from coal mining, etc

 

Kevin L.

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2021 11:17 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Block coal ready for shipment from Stonega Mine 1921

 

In Southern Illinois around the CB&Q owned and served coal mines, it was referred to as a gob or gobe pile. I maintain that there isn’t any slag in coal mining waste regardless of what it’s called. Language is precise, but that doesn’t stop language abuse. Too bad Richard isn’t here to inform us about linguistics.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2021 10:58 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Block coal ready for shipment from Stonega Mine 1921

 

I would agree. But I think there is a regional aspect to the piles of coal mining waste. I grew up in western Pennsylvania where bony pile was a common term, as well as slag pile. I’ve heard culm bank used in Eastern Pennsylvania. 

 

This is one of those objects that may have different descriptive words just like pop, soda, and Coke can describe carbonated soft drinks around the US. 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN


On May 16, 2021, at 10:48 AM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

I think we need to clarify the definition of slag. It’s a smelting byproduct, not coal mine waste. I pasted in the Wikipedia definition.

 

Slag is the glass-like by-product left over after a desired metal has been separated (i.e., smelted) from its raw ore. Slag is usually a mixture of metal oxides and silicon dioxide.

 

 

As such, slag can’t burn or it would be consumed in the smelting process.

 

Nelson Moyer

 


Bagged coal loaded in boxcar for export shipment (undated)

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Bagged coal loaded in boxcar for export shipment (undated)
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Virginian Train Cars Loaded with Coal and PRR X26 box (undated, but I estimate late 1920s till early 1930s)

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Virginian Train Cars Loaded with Coal (undated)
 
Note also the presence of a PRR class X26 USRA ss boxcar.
 
The PRR car is NO LONGER in the as-delivered center-bar paint scheme, nor is it in the Circle Keystone paint scheme. I'd say this dates the photo to the time period of late 1920s till early 1930s...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: Block coal ready for shipment from Stonega Mine 1921

kevinhlafferty
 

Slag, no, slag heap, yes. A quick search of multiple dictionaries will turn up the following definition:

 

slag heap


noun

a hillock of waste matter from coal mining, etc

 

Kevin L.

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2021 11:17 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Block coal ready for shipment from Stonega Mine 1921

 

In Southern Illinois around the CB&Q owned and served coal mines, it was referred to as a gob or gobe pile. I maintain that there isn’t any slag in coal mining waste regardless of what it’s called. Language is precise, but that doesn’t stop language abuse. Too bad Richard isn’t here to inform us about linguistics.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2021 10:58 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Block coal ready for shipment from Stonega Mine 1921

 

I would agree. But I think there is a regional aspect to the piles of coal mining waste. I grew up in western Pennsylvania where bony pile was a common term, as well as slag pile. I’ve heard culm bank used in Eastern Pennsylvania. 

 

This is one of those objects that may have different descriptive words just like pop, soda, and Coke can describe carbonated soft drinks around the US. 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN


On May 16, 2021, at 10:48 AM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

I think we need to clarify the definition of slag. It’s a smelting byproduct, not coal mine waste. I pasted in the Wikipedia definition.

 

Slag is the glass-like by-product left over after a desired metal has been separated (i.e., smelted) from its raw ore. Slag is usually a mixture of metal oxides and silicon dioxide.

 

 

As such, slag can’t burn or it would be consumed in the smelting process.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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