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Photo: PRR Gondolas (1931)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: PRR Gondolas (1931)

Photo from the Indiana Historical Society:

https://images.indianahistory.org/digital/collection/P0129/id/1238/rec/25

Click on the arrows and scroll to enlarge. Only fair quality.

Description:

Coal for the Bledsoe Coal Company is in an open-top freight car. Men are standing near it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Budweiser Reefers (1933)

Scott
 

I wonder if the checkerboard paint scheme was considered a "Billboard" and had to be repainted around 1937?  Pretty cool though haven't seen that before.

Scott McDonald


Re: CN 1937 boxcar handbrakes

Ed Hawkins
 



On May 22, 2021, at 10:58 PM, Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361@...> wrote:

Does anyone know of an HO rendition of the universal handbrake applied to CN 1937 AAR cars in the 482715-484164 series? I prefer the correct brake wheel and housing, but could live with just a brake wheel with no appropriate housing exists. 

Brian,
A builder photo of CN 483574 built 2-44 shows a Universal Type 5700 XL hand brake with M1704 wheel with slotted cut-outs in the hub. The lower-left photo on p. 46 of RP CYC Volume 10 illustrates an example.

In HO scale InterMountain produced this hand brake for the Amarillo Railroad Museum/MPHS joint-venture ART reefer project. More recently Kadee Quality Products has produced the tooling for this same hand brake, but I’m unsure of it’s current availability. Sam Clarke would know.

Hope this provides what you need.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


CN 1937 boxcar handbrakes

Brian Carlson
 

Does anyone know of an HO rendition of the universal handbrake applied to CN 1937 AAR cars in the 482715-484164 series? I prefer the correct brake wheel and housing, but could live with just a brake wheel with no appropriate housing exists.

Brian J. Carlson


Re: Photo: Budweiser Reefers (1933)

Richard Townsend
 

So did the beer thieves

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
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I thought those checkerboard cars were Ralston-Purina. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
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On May 22, 2021, at 10:07 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Photo: Budweiser Reefers (1933)
Photo from the Indiana Historical Society:
Click on the arrows and scroll to enlarge.
MRS (Manufacturers Ry. Co.) reporting marks.
The photo is dated June 1933.
Prohibition ended in December 1933. So, assuming those are case of beer in the reefers, what is going on here?
Answer: The Cullen-Harrison Act, signed about 10 months before the 21st Amendment was ratified in December 1933, allowed people to drink low-alcohol content beer and wine. Incoming President Franklin D. Roosevelt had the Volstead Act amended in April 1933 to allow people to have a beer, or two, while they waited for the 21st Amendment to be ratified. The first team of Budweiser Clydesdales was sent to the White House to give President Roosevelt a ceremonial case of beer.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: CCC&StL Gondola 19080 With Coal Load (1933)

lrkdbn
 

This is an interesting car. Originally from Lot 258-G 3100 cars built for Big Four, Michigan Central and CI&S (later NYC) by ACF 1910. They were the National Dump Car design with Caswell traveling shaft type drop doors and drawings were in the 1919 CBD and the Gregg reprints thereof.(TSC#35).Builder's pix in the Westerfield  ACF CD. What I can't prove is a connection to the Canadian Pacific and other Canadian "Otis" cars which appear to be of quite similar construction. Over time most of the MC cars were "rebuilt"into an entirely different gondola design, and at least some of the Big Four cars had the drop doors removed and reinforcements added at the lower corners of the side sills.This picture also shows that at  on some (not necessarily the same) Big Four cars  the sides were lowered and the ends peaked.
I wonder if this was a way to reduce the car's capacity and prevent it from being overloaded..
Larry King


Re: Photo: Erie Gondola With Large Wood Beam Load (1907)

Steve and Barb Hile
 

The series Erie 52000-52999 was built by Standard Steel Car Company in 1904.

 

Keith Retterer has a builder’s photo of 52000 in his collection of SSC builder’s photo.

 

Steve Hile

 

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List:

 

I was unaware of a 52000 series gon for the ERIE prior to this photo.  Looking at my 1916 and 1920 ORERs I find that this was one a class of (presumably) 1000 cars 52000-52999.  IL 40’ IW 9’-5 5/8” IH 4’-2”  Length OA 41’Height OA 7’-5” 1706 Cu Ft capy 100,000 lb.

 

In 1916 there were 906 cars left in the series; in 1920, 994.

 

Class HT, hopper bottoms as Bob noted.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 11:09 AM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Erie Gondola With Large Wood Beam Load (1907)

 

Photo: Erie Gondola With Large Wood Beam Load (1907)

Photo from the Indiana Historical Society:

https://images.indianahistory.org/digital/collection/DC002/id/189/rec/31

Click on the arrows and scroll to enlarge.

Description:       

“Open-topped freight cars loaded with wood at Talge Mahogany Co., with railroad tracks in the foreground.  Stacks of wood are in the background.”

Gondola appears to have hopper doors.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Gray Monon boxcars

kevinhlafferty
 

George,

 

I’d say your memory is doing okay. I dove into the archives (always a daunting task) and found the exact article you were referencing. Not surprisingly it was authored by Mont Switzer in the 3/94 issue of RMC and it describes how he modeled one of the gray Monon cars using the Champ decal set. He mentions in the article that for at least a portion of their lives they were indeed assigned to GE appliance service out of the Louisville plant. The cars were built by Pullman and delivered 10/41. DF loaders were added in 6/48 and at least some (all?) of the cars were then repainted gray with red lettering ala the Champ decals and Des Plaines Hobbies kit (or Micro-Trains or Lionel or…). Thanks for your help!

 

Kevin L.

 

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Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 9:04 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Gray Monon boxcars

 

My memory isn't reliable, but it tells me RMC once had an article suggesting these cars were assigned to the GE Appliance Part Service in Louisville, Ky.  Enough so, the car on my layout is in appliance service.  I post this in case someone knowing more will comment. I have no access to old RMC's.

George Courtney


Re: Photo: Erie Gondola With Large Wood Beam Load (1907)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

List:

 

I was unaware of a 52000 series gon for the ERIE prior to this photo.  Looking at my 1916 and 1920 ORERs I find that this was one a class of (presumably) 1000 cars 52000-52999.  IL 40’ IW 9’-5 5/8” IH 4’-2”  Length OA 41’Height OA 7’-5” 1706 Cu Ft capy 100,000 lb.

 

In 1916 there were 906 cars left in the series; in 1920, 994.

 

Class HT, hopper bottoms as Bob noted.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Erie Gondola With Large Wood Beam Load (1907)

 

Photo: Erie Gondola With Large Wood Beam Load (1907)

Photo from the Indiana Historical Society:

https://images.indianahistory.org/digital/collection/DC002/id/189/rec/31

Click on the arrows and scroll to enlarge.

Description:       

“Open-topped freight cars loaded with wood at Talge Mahogany Co., with railroad tracks in the foreground.  Stacks of wood are in the background.”

Gondola appears to have hopper doors.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Budweiser Reefers (1933)

 

I thought those checkerboard cars were Ralston-Purina. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On May 22, 2021, at 10:07 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:



Photo: Budweiser Reefers (1933)

Photo from the Indiana Historical Society:

https://images.indianahistory.org/digital/collection/P0129/id/2094/rec/168

Click on the arrows and scroll to enlarge.

MRS (Manufacturers Ry. Co.) reporting marks.

The photo is dated June 1933.

Prohibition ended in December 1933. So, assuming those are case of beer in the reefers, what is going on here?

Answer: The Cullen-Harrison Act, signed about 10 months before the 21st Amendment was ratified in December 1933, allowed people to drink low-alcohol content beer and wine. Incoming President Franklin D. Roosevelt had the Volstead Act amended in April 1933 to allow people to have a beer, or two, while they waited for the 21st Amendment to be ratified. The first team of Budweiser Clydesdales was sent to the White House to give President Roosevelt a ceremonial case of beer.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Erie Gondola With Large Wood Beam Load (1907)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Erie Gondola With Large Wood Beam Load (1907)

Photo from the Indiana Historical Society:

https://images.indianahistory.org/digital/collection/DC002/id/189/rec/31

Click on the arrows and scroll to enlarge.

Description:  

“Open-topped freight cars loaded with wood at Talge Mahogany Co., with railroad tracks in the foreground.  Stacks of wood are in the background.”

Gondola appears to have hopper doors.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: CCC&StL Gondola 19080 With Coal Load (1933)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: CCC&StL Gondola 19080 With Coal Load (1933)

Photo from the Indiana Historical Society:

https://images.indianahistory.org/digital/collection/P0129/id/2233/rec/73

Click on the arrows and scroll to enlarge.

Large chunks. I’m sure there is an industry term for chunks this large.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 


Photo: Budweiser Reefers (1933)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Budweiser Reefers (1933)

Photo from the Indiana Historical Society:

https://images.indianahistory.org/digital/collection/P0129/id/2094/rec/168

Click on the arrows and scroll to enlarge.

MRS (Manufacturers Ry. Co.) reporting marks.

The photo is dated June 1933.

Prohibition ended in December 1933. So, assuming those are case of beer in the reefers, what is going on here?

Answer: The Cullen-Harrison Act, signed about 10 months before the 21st Amendment was ratified in December 1933, allowed people to drink low-alcohol content beer and wine. Incoming President Franklin D. Roosevelt had the Volstead Act amended in April 1933 to allow people to have a beer, or two, while they waited for the 21st Amendment to be ratified. The first team of Budweiser Clydesdales was sent to the White House to give President Roosevelt a ceremonial case of beer.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Gondola & Flat Car (Circa 1940s)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Gondola & Flat Car (Circa 1940s)

Photo from the Indiana Historical Society:

https://images.indianahistory.org/digital/collection/p16797coll35/id/1740/rec/48

Click on the arrows and scroll to enlarge.

While the main subject of this photo is the delivery of ice to a Monon train, notice the gondola with a spiral end discussed here before and a flat car with a possible granite or other stone load.

Another example of the spiral end:

http://monon.org/bygone_site/mines/CIL33149LittleBettyLinton-0001.jpg

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


AB Air Reservoir Orientation Question

Nelson Moyer
 

I posted this to the resinfreightcarbuilders group but haven’t gotten an answer yet, so I’m expanding the pool of expertise by posting my question here.

 

I’m working on the 2018 Chicagoland FGE mini-kit, and I’ve noticed an anomaly in the instructions and photos. RCW and all of the modeler posts about the AB brake component mounting for this car have the Auxiliary end of the air reservoir (1 mounting lug) pointed toward the B end, while most prototype diagrams I’ve seen, Ted Culotta’s treatise on freight car brakes, and most kit instructions have the Emergency end of the air reservoir pointing toward the B end. Exceptions to that orientation are in diagrams published by Mainline Modeler and  repeated in the Tichy AB brake mounting instructions.  I’ve always mounted the air reservoir with two lugs facing the B end.

 

The question is this, did this FGE car deviate from the norm (Emergency end toward B end), or are the instructions and photos in error? Do I mount the air reservoir with one lug or two lugs toward the B end of a FGE series 14000 reefer?

 

Nelson Moyer

 


Re: Gray Monon boxcars

kevinhlafferty
 

Mike,

 

That’s very helpful, thank you! Funny that you should mention the Des Plaines Hobbies RC kit as that is what led to this whole line of questioning. I started searching for info on these cars and came across the Champ decal set which states that the hardware is black on these cars. Clearly in the photo the ladders are the same color as the body of the car but the bracket grabs appear to be much darker. I’m not sure what to make of that; highly unlikely that only those parts would have gotten that dirty. I’m almost led to believe that the grabs were black but I don’t recall seeing any other cars ever painted in this manner (only grabs in a different color). I was able to find the heritage of these cars through the extremely helpful list (table of as-built 1937 AAR Box Car Prototypes) compiled by Ed Hawkins and posted on the Steam Era Freight Cars site. Additionally, these cars still show in the 1/53 ORER which makes them viable for my modeling timeframe. Pictures of these cars, at least on line, are nonexistent. Thanks much for the help.

 

Kevin L.

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Aufderheide
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 1:24 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Gray Monon boxcars

 

Kevin,

These were a small series numbered 1201-1225 pulled from the 1941-2 built 9000-9449 series 10'-0" IH '37 AAR boxcars.  They were originally boxcar red, but painted gray with the lettering you mention and had DF loaders installed in June 1948.  The attached photo is the only photo I have seen of this series.  Des Plaines Hobbies did an HO series of these cars using a Red Caboose model in the 90s.  

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide


Re: Photo: Hauser-Stander Tank Cars (1926)

Jim Betz
 

Jack,

  No, but I might pay to ship 10 tons of water in order to ship 30 tons of salt - if it
made loading and unloading and moving the salt something you could pump or
transfer by flowing/pouring?  I don't know the process for 'purifying' salt (taking
it from something you mined to something you can use - perhaps that process
needs some liquid product other than water?  Maybe combining the salt with
something else will remove an 'impurity' that is useful and is liquid - I'm thinking
of a chemical reaction that separates out some product or other ... perhaps a
product that is 'unique' to this particular salt mine?
                                                                                          - all speculation ... Jim


Re: CB&Q XM-32 box cars

Schuyler Larrabee
 

LOTS more better!  😊

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clark Propst
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 1:09 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] CB&Q XM-32 box cars

 

I made some height adjustments. Here's a new photo.
Clark


Re: Photo: Shipping Bells In A Gondola (Circa 1920s)

Scott
 

It's all covered in cinders too.

Scott McDonald


Re: Photo: Hauser-Stander Tank Cars (1926)

Jack Mullen
 

We discussed this photo 2 or 3 years ago, Iirc. As I recall, it was assumed these cars were for salt.  To me that seems unlikely.  Why ship brine instead of shipping rock salt?  To put it another way, would you pay to ship 30 tons of water in order to ship 10 tons of salt?  My understanding is that the salt at Weeks Island was mined, not dissolved with wells.
So what else would the tank cars be for? I wonder if they were to being fresh water to the community . Any thoughts?

Jack Mullen

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