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Re: Linde "Boxcar"

Rich Yoder
 

Hi Bob and others.

Do you know if the photographer Jim Parker is still alive?

OR where might his collection of photographs be?

Sincerely,

Rich Yoder

 

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And here are the SERX cars.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: AB Air Reservoir Orientation Question

John Sykes III
 

Luckily, the Intermountain PFE brake details are so poorly cemented on, that I can easily pop them off and add brass wire for the correct arrangement.

-- John


Re: AB Air Reservoir Orientation Question

Nelson Moyer
 

Athearn isn’t the only victim of misreading engineering drawings. I’ve encountered current models from two companies who shall remain nameless with erroneous underbody brake diagrams in their instructions. The best way to check instructions is to look at original engineering drawings, but lacking that, look at photo graphs of both sides of the car under construction whenever possible. I’ve adopted the dictum, trust but verify. Then there is the Intermountain PFE reefer brake disaster……….

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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Also, but not necessarily in your case, many builder diagrams show the brake system (and other underbody details) as though you are looking down, through the floor of the freight car, not looking up.  That is how all the early Athearn blue-box kits ended up with their brake systems on the wrong side of the underframe.

-- John

 


Re: AB Air Reservoir Orientation Question

John Sykes III
 

Also, but not necessarily in your case, many builder diagrams show the brake system (and other underbody details) as though you are looking down, through the floor of the freight car, not looking up.  That is how all the early Athearn blue-box kits ended up with their brake systems on the wrong side of the underframe.

-- John


Re: AB Air Reservoir Orientation Question

Nelson Moyer
 

Since posting my AB air reservoir question, I've reread Gene Green's paper on freight car brakes. A study of the photos and diagrams in this paper suggest that the  AB air reservoir has an up and down side, with the 'fat' side hanging down from the floor mounts, and it is usually mounted on the opposite side of the the center sill from the brake cylinder with two lugs facing the B end (direction to which the brake cylinder points).

 

 

Applying that convention, when the air reservoir is mounted on the opposite side of the center sill from the brake cylinder, two lugs face the B end. When the air reservoir is mounted on the same side of the center sill as the brake cylinder, one lug faces the B end. Cars converted from KC to AB brakes frequently have the AB air reservoir on the same side of the center sill as the brake cylinder hence the FGE car has one lug facing the B end. I think that pretty well sums up the answer to my initial question.

Nelson Moyer


Re: AE Staley and Wabash RR Photos 1930s-1950s

Chris Barkan
 

BTW, the AE Staley building still stands in Decatur, although their corporate headquarters moved to Chicago a few years ago to the consternation of the Decatur town fathers.
--
Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL


Re: Photo: Erie Gondola With Large Wood Beam Load (1907)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thanks, Steve.

 

Schuyler

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Erie Gondola With Large Wood Beam Load (1907)

 

The series Erie 52000-52999 was built by Standard Steel Car Company in 1904.

 

Keith Retterer has a builder’s photo of 52000 in his collection of SSC builder’s photo.

 

Steve Hile

 

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List:

 

I was unaware of a 52000 series gon for the ERIE prior to this photo.  Looking at my 1916 and 1920 ORERs I find that this was one a class of (presumably) 1000 cars 52000-52999.  IL 40’ IW 9’-5 5/8” IH 4’-2”  Length OA 41’Height OA 7’-5” 1706 Cu Ft capy 100,000 lb.

 

In 1916 there were 906 cars left in the series; in 1920, 994.

 

Class HT, hopper bottoms as Bob noted.

 

Schuyler

 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Erie Gondola With Large Wood Beam Load (1907)

 

Photo: Erie Gondola With Large Wood Beam Load (1907)

Photo from the Indiana Historical Society:

https://images.indianahistory.org/digital/collection/DC002/id/189/rec/31

Click on the arrows and scroll to enlarge.

Description:       

“Open-topped freight cars loaded with wood at Talge Mahogany Co., with railroad tracks in the foreground.  Stacks of wood are in the background.”

Gondola appears to have hopper doors.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: PRR Work Train (1937)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: PRR Work Train (1937)

Photo from the Indiana Historical Society:

https://images.indianahistory.org/digital/collection/dc012/id/7402/rec/4

Click on the arrows and scroll to enlarge. Fair quality photo.

Bruce Smith commented:

“This is indeed a PRR MOW train. The cars are former XL boxcars converted to MOW service. This looks to be a combination of two unit trains for living quarters. This would have typically housed a larger gang working on a major project.

From left to the right the cars appear to be:

Riding car

Riding car

Sleeping car

Commissary car (?)

Kitchen/dining

Kitchen/dining

Of course, these are available from Westerfield in HO.”

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: PRR Flat Car 126939 (1935)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: PRR Flat Car 126939 (1935)

Photo from the Indiana Historical Society:

https://images.indianahistory.org/digital/collection/p16797coll70/id/19/rec/1

Click on the arrows and scroll to enlarge. Only fair quality.

Description:

“A piece of Hetherington & Berner equipment is loaded onto a railroad flatcar to be shipped from Indianapolis where it was manufactured. Hetherington & Berner, Inc. was the first builder of asphalt mixing equipment in the United States. The company was established in 1867 by Benjamin Franklin Hetherington and Frederick Berner in Indianapolis. It ceased operations in the late 1970s.”

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: PRR Gondolas (1931)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: PRR Gondolas (1931)

Photo from the Indiana Historical Society:

https://images.indianahistory.org/digital/collection/P0129/id/1238/rec/25

Click on the arrows and scroll to enlarge. Only fair quality.

Description:

Coal for the Bledsoe Coal Company is in an open-top freight car. Men are standing near it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Budweiser Reefers (1933)

Scott
 

I wonder if the checkerboard paint scheme was considered a "Billboard" and had to be repainted around 1937?  Pretty cool though haven't seen that before.

Scott McDonald


Re: CN 1937 boxcar handbrakes

Ed Hawkins
 



On May 22, 2021, at 10:58 PM, Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361@...> wrote:

Does anyone know of an HO rendition of the universal handbrake applied to CN 1937 AAR cars in the 482715-484164 series? I prefer the correct brake wheel and housing, but could live with just a brake wheel with no appropriate housing exists. 

Brian,
A builder photo of CN 483574 built 2-44 shows a Universal Type 5700 XL hand brake with M1704 wheel with slotted cut-outs in the hub. The lower-left photo on p. 46 of RP CYC Volume 10 illustrates an example.

In HO scale InterMountain produced this hand brake for the Amarillo Railroad Museum/MPHS joint-venture ART reefer project. More recently Kadee Quality Products has produced the tooling for this same hand brake, but I’m unsure of it’s current availability. Sam Clarke would know.

Hope this provides what you need.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


CN 1937 boxcar handbrakes

Brian Carlson
 

Does anyone know of an HO rendition of the universal handbrake applied to CN 1937 AAR cars in the 482715-484164 series? I prefer the correct brake wheel and housing, but could live with just a brake wheel with no appropriate housing exists.

Brian J. Carlson


Re: Photo: Budweiser Reefers (1933)

Richard Townsend
 

So did the beer thieves

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Budweiser Reefers (1933)

I thought those checkerboard cars were Ralston-Purina. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
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On May 22, 2021, at 10:07 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Photo: Budweiser Reefers (1933)
Photo from the Indiana Historical Society:
Click on the arrows and scroll to enlarge.
MRS (Manufacturers Ry. Co.) reporting marks.
The photo is dated June 1933.
Prohibition ended in December 1933. So, assuming those are case of beer in the reefers, what is going on here?
Answer: The Cullen-Harrison Act, signed about 10 months before the 21st Amendment was ratified in December 1933, allowed people to drink low-alcohol content beer and wine. Incoming President Franklin D. Roosevelt had the Volstead Act amended in April 1933 to allow people to have a beer, or two, while they waited for the 21st Amendment to be ratified. The first team of Budweiser Clydesdales was sent to the White House to give President Roosevelt a ceremonial case of beer.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: CCC&StL Gondola 19080 With Coal Load (1933)

lrkdbn
 

This is an interesting car. Originally from Lot 258-G 3100 cars built for Big Four, Michigan Central and CI&S (later NYC) by ACF 1910. They were the National Dump Car design with Caswell traveling shaft type drop doors and drawings were in the 1919 CBD and the Gregg reprints thereof.(TSC#35).Builder's pix in the Westerfield  ACF CD. What I can't prove is a connection to the Canadian Pacific and other Canadian "Otis" cars which appear to be of quite similar construction. Over time most of the MC cars were "rebuilt"into an entirely different gondola design, and at least some of the Big Four cars had the drop doors removed and reinforcements added at the lower corners of the side sills.This picture also shows that at  on some (not necessarily the same) Big Four cars  the sides were lowered and the ends peaked.
I wonder if this was a way to reduce the car's capacity and prevent it from being overloaded..
Larry King


Re: Photo: Erie Gondola With Large Wood Beam Load (1907)

Steve and Barb Hile
 

The series Erie 52000-52999 was built by Standard Steel Car Company in 1904.

 

Keith Retterer has a builder’s photo of 52000 in his collection of SSC builder’s photo.

 

Steve Hile

 

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List:

 

I was unaware of a 52000 series gon for the ERIE prior to this photo.  Looking at my 1916 and 1920 ORERs I find that this was one a class of (presumably) 1000 cars 52000-52999.  IL 40’ IW 9’-5 5/8” IH 4’-2”  Length OA 41’Height OA 7’-5” 1706 Cu Ft capy 100,000 lb.

 

In 1916 there were 906 cars left in the series; in 1920, 994.

 

Class HT, hopper bottoms as Bob noted.

 

Schuyler

 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Erie Gondola With Large Wood Beam Load (1907)

 

Photo: Erie Gondola With Large Wood Beam Load (1907)

Photo from the Indiana Historical Society:

https://images.indianahistory.org/digital/collection/DC002/id/189/rec/31

Click on the arrows and scroll to enlarge.

Description:       

“Open-topped freight cars loaded with wood at Talge Mahogany Co., with railroad tracks in the foreground.  Stacks of wood are in the background.”

Gondola appears to have hopper doors.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Gray Monon boxcars

kevinhlafferty
 

George,

 

I’d say your memory is doing okay. I dove into the archives (always a daunting task) and found the exact article you were referencing. Not surprisingly it was authored by Mont Switzer in the 3/94 issue of RMC and it describes how he modeled one of the gray Monon cars using the Champ decal set. He mentions in the article that for at least a portion of their lives they were indeed assigned to GE appliance service out of the Louisville plant. The cars were built by Pullman and delivered 10/41. DF loaders were added in 6/48 and at least some (all?) of the cars were then repainted gray with red lettering ala the Champ decals and Des Plaines Hobbies kit (or Micro-Trains or Lionel or…). Thanks for your help!

 

Kevin L.

 

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My memory isn't reliable, but it tells me RMC once had an article suggesting these cars were assigned to the GE Appliance Part Service in Louisville, Ky.  Enough so, the car on my layout is in appliance service.  I post this in case someone knowing more will comment. I have no access to old RMC's.

George Courtney


Re: Photo: Erie Gondola With Large Wood Beam Load (1907)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

List:

 

I was unaware of a 52000 series gon for the ERIE prior to this photo.  Looking at my 1916 and 1920 ORERs I find that this was one a class of (presumably) 1000 cars 52000-52999.  IL 40’ IW 9’-5 5/8” IH 4’-2”  Length OA 41’Height OA 7’-5” 1706 Cu Ft capy 100,000 lb.

 

In 1916 there were 906 cars left in the series; in 1920, 994.

 

Class HT, hopper bottoms as Bob noted.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Erie Gondola With Large Wood Beam Load (1907)

 

Photo: Erie Gondola With Large Wood Beam Load (1907)

Photo from the Indiana Historical Society:

https://images.indianahistory.org/digital/collection/DC002/id/189/rec/31

Click on the arrows and scroll to enlarge.

Description:       

“Open-topped freight cars loaded with wood at Talge Mahogany Co., with railroad tracks in the foreground.  Stacks of wood are in the background.”

Gondola appears to have hopper doors.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Budweiser Reefers (1933)

 

I thought those checkerboard cars were Ralston-Purina. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On May 22, 2021, at 10:07 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:



Photo: Budweiser Reefers (1933)

Photo from the Indiana Historical Society:

https://images.indianahistory.org/digital/collection/P0129/id/2094/rec/168

Click on the arrows and scroll to enlarge.

MRS (Manufacturers Ry. Co.) reporting marks.

The photo is dated June 1933.

Prohibition ended in December 1933. So, assuming those are case of beer in the reefers, what is going on here?

Answer: The Cullen-Harrison Act, signed about 10 months before the 21st Amendment was ratified in December 1933, allowed people to drink low-alcohol content beer and wine. Incoming President Franklin D. Roosevelt had the Volstead Act amended in April 1933 to allow people to have a beer, or two, while they waited for the 21st Amendment to be ratified. The first team of Budweiser Clydesdales was sent to the White House to give President Roosevelt a ceremonial case of beer.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Erie Gondola With Large Wood Beam Load (1907)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Erie Gondola With Large Wood Beam Load (1907)

Photo from the Indiana Historical Society:

https://images.indianahistory.org/digital/collection/DC002/id/189/rec/31

Click on the arrows and scroll to enlarge.

Description:  

“Open-topped freight cars loaded with wood at Talge Mahogany Co., with railroad tracks in the foreground.  Stacks of wood are in the background.”

Gondola appears to have hopper doors.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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