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Re: Ends for Delaware & Hudson 36' foot boxcars.

Scott
 

George,

I realize this is a 40ft car but are these the ends you are talking about in the link to the photo below?  I believe these are inverse Hutchins ends.

D & H Box car with Hutchins ends.

Scott McDonald


Re: ISO CB&Q GM-1 & 2 Drawings

al_brown03
 

There's a photo of C&NW 72169 in Trains 3/91, pp 28-29, on the tail end of an excursion train of all things.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Technical accuracy of contemporary (for some flexible values of "contemporary) documentation (was Brake Levers/Rods Arrangement and Attachment)

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On May 27, 2021, at 05:59, lrkdbn via groups.io <lrkdbn=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

I'm sorry I'm not set up to scan stuff so I can't send you a sketch,,but i would say to look at the picture I sent of the overturned Frisco hopper. Just above the truck you can see the horizontal lever and its hangers.There would be a similar lever at the other end with a fulcrum bracket. I have never worried about the exact configuration of this because, located between the wheels as it is, unless your'e modeling finescale you can only model the center part of the levers and the connecting rod on account of wheel clearance.It occurs to me another source of actual brake arrangement drawings is Bob Webber at the Illinois Railway Museum.His email is <cz17@comcast.net>
This thread has got me to thinking about my hardcopy archives of Model Railroader, missing no more than two dozen issues between January 1948(via either countertop at the local pusher's or via subscription since October 1956 and then via back-issue purchases to about Volume 1 issue 5)) and the present, and especially the Bluebook series' drawings. My understanding of those equipment drawings in particular is that they were reproductions of official documents from either railroad or government sources, but I doubt myself now. I also wonder a bit about some of the documents available for download from giggle books in this regard, many of which are from authors who had professed to be mechanical or electrical or civil engineers.

Larry King
[the famous one?]
--
Artie the Hinged Jaw
Retired AFU Game Warden


Re: Photo: Gondola & Flat Car (Circa 1940s)

Jeffrey Gray <bigsix@...>
 

Mike, thank for this good tip. We could have entire thread just on Shapeway stuff!

 

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From: Mike Aufderheide
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 11:57 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Gondola & Flat Car (Circa 1940s)

 

Jeffrey,

These spiral ends are available on Shapeways, see:

Monon Spiral Gondola End-HO Scale (VFHH88RYT) by MononInMonon (shapeways.com)

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide

 


Re: Ends for Delaware & Hudson 36' foot boxcars.

Don Burn
 

They also had Hutchins ends.   This is all covered in the November 1987 RMC article that had plans for the cars.  

 

Don Burn

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of George Courtney via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 3:54 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Ends for Delaware & Hudson 36' foot boxcars.

 

I thinking of building one of these in S scale.  I have a photo from Sunshine kit   In the Sunshine photo Car #23202 appears to have an end that is just riveted steel plate.  Can anyone comment on this car?  I know D&H also had wood ends and Indestructible ends but that's not what it looks like in the Sunshine Photo.

Thanks,
George Courtney


Ends for Delaware & Hudson 36' foot boxcars.

George Courtney
 

I thinking of building one of these in S scale.  I have a photo from Sunshine kit   In the Sunshine photo Car #23202 appears to have an end that is just riveted steel plate.  Can anyone comment on this car?  I know D&H also had wood ends and Indestructible ends but that's not what it looks like in the Sunshine Photo.

Thanks,
George Courtney


Re: ISO CB&Q GM-1 & 2 Drawings

Charlie Vlk
 

Nelson-

Even though their were 1500 composite GMs built they were largely gone by our lifetime. A few survived in MOW service.

The first batch was built by Western Steel Car & Foundry in 1925 as GM-1 and had 5’-6” wb #50 trucks and the second GM-2 by Galesburg in 1925 and were equipped with 5’4”wb #31-B trucks.  Otherwise, the two classes appear to be identical.

Charlie Vlk

 

PS-  Micro-Trains makes a credible N Scale model of the CB&Q car that has a brake wheel instead of the lever type.

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 1:19 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ISO CB&Q GM-1 & 2 Drawings

 

Yes, I missed that distinction. I wonder why the GM1/2 series weren’t covered in the data sheet, since they were composite gondolas, and the title implies that the data sheet covers ‘Burlington’s Composite Gondola Fleet’. It covers GAs, GBs, GSs, and GTs, but no GMs.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlie Vlk
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 12:35 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ISO CB&Q GM-1 & 2 Drawings

 

Nelson-

Topic is GM 1 & 2, not GS….different cars.
Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 11:43 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ISO CB&Q GM-1 & 2 Drawings

 

Check the BRHS data sheet titled, Burlington’s Composite Gondola Fleet. Page 8 and page 10 contain information on modifications to GS-1/2 gondolas. Some had the sides cut down like the GA-15 USRA gondolas, and others had the wood sheathing replaced with cut boxcar end panels. According to this reference, 150 GS-1 and GS-2 cars got metal sides and ends in 1944. Plus four additional drop doors. This group was numbered in the 72000-72149 series. There’s a diagram of the before and after drop door arrangements.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Frank Hodina
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 9:06 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ISO CB&Q GM-1 & 2 Drawings

 

This is timely as I've been looking for another composite gon to do a kit of. One is the CB&Q GM-1/2 while the other is a CNW 48'-6" car. Have drawings for the CNW gon, but can't find any in service photos. For the GM-1/2 there's no information on the underframe to do a pattern. Jerry Hamsmith put together this short history on the GM-1/2's.

Frank
Resin Car Works


Re: ISO CB&Q GM-1 & 2 Drawings

Nelson Moyer
 

Yes, I missed that distinction. I wonder why the GM1/2 series weren’t covered in the data sheet, since they were composite gondolas, and the title implies that the data sheet covers ‘Burlington’s Composite Gondola Fleet’. It covers GAs, GBs, GSs, and GTs, but no GMs.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlie Vlk
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 12:35 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ISO CB&Q GM-1 & 2 Drawings

 

Nelson-

Topic is GM 1 & 2, not GS….different cars.
Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 11:43 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ISO CB&Q GM-1 & 2 Drawings

 

Check the BRHS data sheet titled, Burlington’s Composite Gondola Fleet. Page 8 and page 10 contain information on modifications to GS-1/2 gondolas. Some had the sides cut down like the GA-15 USRA gondolas, and others had the wood sheathing replaced with cut boxcar end panels. According to this reference, 150 GS-1 and GS-2 cars got metal sides and ends in 1944. Plus four additional drop doors. This group was numbered in the 72000-72149 series. There’s a diagram of the before and after drop door arrangements.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Frank Hodina
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 9:06 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ISO CB&Q GM-1 & 2 Drawings

 

This is timely as I've been looking for another composite gon to do a kit of. One is the CB&Q GM-1/2 while the other is a CNW 48'-6" car. Have drawings for the CNW gon, but can't find any in service photos. For the GM-1/2 there's no information on the underframe to do a pattern. Jerry Hamsmith put together this short history on the GM-1/2's.

Frank
Resin Car Works


Re: ISO CB&Q GM-1 & 2 Drawings

Charlie Vlk
 

Nelson-

Topic is GM 1 & 2, not GS….different cars.
Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 11:43 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ISO CB&Q GM-1 & 2 Drawings

 

Check the BRHS data sheet titled, Burlington’s Composite Gondola Fleet. Page 8 and page 10 contain information on modifications to GS-1/2 gondolas. Some had the sides cut down like the GA-15 USRA gondolas, and others had the wood sheathing replaced with cut boxcar end panels. According to this reference, 150 GS-1 and GS-2 cars got metal sides and ends in 1944. Plus four additional drop doors. This group was numbered in the 72000-72149 series. There’s a diagram of the before and after drop door arrangements.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Frank Hodina
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 9:06 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ISO CB&Q GM-1 & 2 Drawings

 

This is timely as I've been looking for another composite gon to do a kit of. One is the CB&Q GM-1/2 while the other is a CNW 48'-6" car. Have drawings for the CNW gon, but can't find any in service photos. For the GM-1/2 there's no information on the underframe to do a pattern. Jerry Hamsmith put together this short history on the GM-1/2's.

Frank
Resin Car Works


Photo: Unidentified Tank Cars (Undated)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Unidentified Tank Cars (Undated)

Photo from the Los Angeles County Natural History Museum:

https://collections.nhm.org/seaver-center/imagedisplay.php?irn=80642&reftable=ecatalogue&refirn=584692

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

Description:

“Los Angeles County, Santa Monica. Long train made up of tank cars. A smaller train of tank cars is on a second track.”

I didn’t have much luck working on this photo in Photo Shop.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: ISO CB&Q GM-1 & 2 Drawings

Nelson Moyer
 

Check the BRHS data sheet titled, Burlington’s Composite Gondola Fleet. Page 8 and page 10 contain information on modifications to GS-1/2 gondolas. Some had the sides cut down like the GA-15 USRA gondolas, and others had the wood sheathing replaced with cut boxcar end panels. According to this reference, 150 GS-1 and GS-2 cars got metal sides and ends in 1944. Plus four additional drop doors. This group was numbered in the 72000-72149 series. There’s a diagram of the before and after drop door arrangements.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Frank Hodina
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 9:06 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ISO CB&Q GM-1 & 2 Drawings

 

This is timely as I've been looking for another composite gon to do a kit of. One is the CB&Q GM-1/2 while the other is a CNW 48'-6" car. Have drawings for the CNW gon, but can't find any in service photos. For the GM-1/2 there's no information on the underframe to do a pattern. Jerry Hamsmith put together this short history on the GM-1/2's.

Frank
Resin Car Works

_._,_._,_

 


Re: Scalecoat II Metallic Paint Question

John Sykes III
 

OK, I give up😒


Re: Acrylic Mineral Red paint.

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Use a mask.  Inhaling particulates is not smart.

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jerry Michels
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 4:17 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Acrylic Mineral Red paint.

 

This is off topic, but regarding fumes and spraying..  Is particulate matter as bad as fumes?  I don't think any spraying should be done without ventilation.  You may not smell particles, but they are there.  Jerry Michels


Re: Scalecoat II Metallic Paint Question

Nelson Moyer
 

If it’s a bottling problem, and I have Scalecoat I in a bottle labeled Scalecoat II, that's easy to fix, because I have Scalecoat I thinner, and I can run a test.

 

I tried thinning with lacquer thinner and got the same curdling that I got with Scalecoat II thinner.

 

I also got a bottle of Boxcar Red #2 that dried dead flat. Wasn’t expecting that!

 

Thanks for the tip.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Sykes III via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 10:57 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Scalecoat II Metallic Paint Question

 

Sounds like a mix-up of ScaleCoat I and ScaleCoat II.  I'm not blaming you, the quality control at ScaleCoat has left a lot to be desired recently.  Some colors have changed completely.

-- John

 


Re: Photo: Gondola & Flat Car (Circa 1940s)

 

Jeffrey,

These spiral ends are available on Shapeways, see:

Monon Spiral Gondola End-HO Scale (VFHH88RYT) by MononInMonon (shapeways.com)

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide


Re: Scalecoat II Metallic Paint Question

John Sykes III
 

Sounds like a mix-up of ScaleCoat I and ScaleCoat II.  I'm not blaming you, the quality control at ScaleCoat has left a lot to be desired recently.  Some colors have changed completely.

-- John


Re: Arrowhead Water Tank Cars

radiodial868
 

The flatcar on he right is available from Owl Mountain:
http://www.owlmtmodels.com/2000-series/F-50-Series.html
I built a couple as PE from the kit.
--
-------------------
RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: Brake Levers/Rods Arrangement and Attachment

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Chuck,

 

You may want to get in touch with us at the Pullman Library at IRM.  irmpulllib@...

 

We have lots of early freight car drawings already scanned.  This includes Standard Steel Car, who built many USRA design hoppers into the 1920’s.  We do have some of the USRA drawings, as well, including 1293 which shows the brake arrangement for the 70 ton hopper.

 

Steve Hile, Volunteer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Charles Greene
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 6:45 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Brake Levers/Rods Arrangement and Attachment

 

I'm assembling a late 19-teens/early 1920s-vintage USRA-design twin-bay hopper with split-K brake gear. The prototype photos I've found are only views of the ends, sides and inside of these cars. Consequently, as far as levers are concerned, I can only see the "live" cylinder lever, one end of which is attached directly to the cylinder piston end. The other end angles down toward the bottom of a bolster. Logically, a rod must be attached to that end of this lever and pass through the bolster. That rod then must actuate the rest of the system, viz. the "floating" lever and other rods to the brake beams. To correctly model this thing I need to know how and where the other lever and rods are attached to the underside of the car. 

 

I've contacted the Museum of Transportation near St. Louis which has holdings of American Car and Foundry diagrams of these cars. A staff member there is searching to see if this brake detail is shown in any of the diagrams. That project is taking some time, so.....meanwhile.....I thought I'd see if anyone here has any pertinent information/photo/diagram.

 

            -Chuck


Re: Pere Marquette DD 40' steel box

James Brewer
 

Frank,

Great! Looking forward to this kit!

Jim Brewer


Re: Pere Marquette DD 40' steel box

Frank Hodina
 

We'll be releasing the PM 90350-91849 series cars as a one piece body resin kit later this summer. These are the Pullman built cars without end doors and a Hutchins roof. The kit will include decals for both the PM and C&O along with correct side and end ladders from Plano Model Products.

Frank
Resin Car Works

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