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Re: New run of HO Rio Grande Oil Company tank car decals

Ian MacKellar
 

Does it include the underframe lettering?
Re: Brake Levers/Rods Arrangement and Attachment

Danny Inmon
 

Re: Photo: Pacific Great Eastern Reefer 819 (Circa 1950s)

John Riddell
 

This reefer was one of 20 wood reefers that PGE bought second hand in approximately 1948. The original owner is unknown however some photos show early PGE reporting marks painted on a patch over yellow sides that are consistent with Northern Refrigerator Line paint scheme.

 

John Riddell

 

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Re: Older Iron Range freight cars

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

I’d like to make a quite general comment here … Iron ore is NOT all one color.

Nowadays, with taconite making up most all the shipments, the color is rather uniform. The individual taconite pellets vary considerably in color, but they are rather homogeneously mixed resulting in a more uniform bulk color.

But in earlier times, especially during and before WWII, they were shipping raw ore. The color of raw ore varied from mine to mine, and even within the same mine. It ranged from a dark yellow through all shades of reddish-brown, to a nearly purplish-black. Both the chemical composition and concentration of iron in the ore varied.

Steel mills required a particular mix of raw ore, depending on their capabilities and needs. The big ore-yards would sort the cars of various ores to meet the requirements of a particular steel mill’s order. Then the sorted cars would be sent up to the ore docks for loading in a ship to transport to that mill.

So, if all the ore coming from a particular mine traveled over a dedicated track, then that track would acquire the color of that ore. The mainlines, however, would carry ore from many different mines, resulting a rather uniform mixture of colors.

It is also true that the “rust” color was pervasive. It got into everything, and coated everything. Back in the 1960s my dad was filming in the Minnesota mines and we spent considerable time driving about on the active haul roads. Long after, YEARS later, every time we washed his old suburban we got red mud washing out. My mom could not put any item of ore-contaminated clothing in the laundry with anything light-colored or white ... or everything turned pink.

I also recall that the LS&I, who had been painting their locomotives a rusty-red color, tried painting them a bright green. After a few months of service they were again red from the cab windows down, covered in ore-dust. Later they went back to painting the locos red. The DM&IR also painted their Diesels rusty-red. It really didn’t matter what color you painted them, they all turned red in a few months anyway.

Dan Mitchell
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On May 29, 2021, at 7:58 AM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

Jim,

The cars and layout are Bob Hanmer’s work, not mine. I can’t comment on the rail color. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On May 28, 2021, at 8:50 PM, Jim Betz <jimbetz@...> wrote:

Eric,

  Very nice build!  Shouldn't the rails be essentially the same color as
the ore cars?  I've read that all the houses along the right-of-way had
rust-colored whites - didn't matter what color is was it was going to
end up being a rust colored piece of wash on the clothes line out
back - due to the iron ore haul going by.  I've seen pictures of the
track when it had rained and the track would "run orange" (newly
formed rust).  I can't imagine the track would be any other color
than "iron ore rust".
                                                                                  - Jim
Re: Pere Marquette DD 40' steel box

Fritz Milhaupt
 

Johannes has it right- The Oriental Limited and Funaro & Camerlengo models are not PM cars- they have radial roofs, where the PM cars did not.

For the casual observer, this is somewhat complicated by the shortcuts taken when the AMC guys in Cleveland prepared and revised the diagram book for Pere Marquette freight cars in the early 1940. C&O employee and Pere Marquette/C&O historian Phil Shuster stated repeatedly that while the information in the tables is accurate for each group of cars, they didn't have drawings available for all of the PM cars, so some sheets have drawings from C&O cars that they felt were "close enough." This is one class that was depicted that way in the commonly-available set of drawings.

A few years ago, I picked up a couple of F&C kits with the idea of replacing the roofs and seeing what else I could do to make them closer to the PM cars, but thankfully it doesn't look like I'll need to go through with that. 'guess I'll build them as C&O cars.

-Fritz Milhaupt
Pere Marquette Historical Society
Re: Older Iron Range freight cars

Eric Hansmann
 

Jim,

The cars and layout are Bob Hanmer’s work, not mine. I can’t comment on the rail color. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On May 28, 2021, at 8:50 PM, Jim Betz <jimbetz@...> wrote:

Eric,

  Very nice build!  Shouldn't the rails be essentially the same color as
the ore cars?  I've read that all the houses along the right-of-way had
rust-colored whites - didn't matter what color is was it was going to
end up being a rust colored piece of wash on the clothes line out
back - due to the iron ore haul going by.  I've seen pictures of the
track when it had rained and the track would "run orange" (newly
formed rust).  I can't imagine the track would be any other color
than "iron ore rust".
                                                                                  - Jim

Re: Pere Marquette DD 40' steel box

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Tim,
 
I think the Oriental brass imports are different:
 
https://www.brasstrains.com/BrassGuide/PDG/Detail/33748
 
many greetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1954
 
Gesendet: Freitag, 28. Mai 2021 um 23:48 Uhr
Von: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] Pere Marquette DD 40' steel box

Nice! Is this similar to the old Yankee Clipper resin kit (or was it Funaro & Camerlengo?) for the C&O?
Also, I think Oriental imported a brass model or two for the C&O cars?

Tim O'Connor


On 5/27/2021 10:19 AM, Frank Hodina wrote:
We'll be releasing the PM 90350-91849 series cars as a one piece body resin kit later this summer. These are the Pullman built cars without end doors and a Hutchins roof. The kit will include decals for both the PM and C&O along with correct side and end ladders from Plano Model Products.

Frank
Resin Car Works

Attachments:

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--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Photo: Copper Range Railroad Boxcar 150 (Undated)

Matt Mihalo
 

Copper Range had 3 cars painted for Scheuermann and 1 for Bosch.  Dennis Leopold published a 122 page Copper Range roster book with more information last year if you are interested in the line.
Re: Seeking Information On HO Truck Components.

Bernd Schroeder
 

Hello Bill and all, 

rhe answer depends on the problem:

1. the truck bolster is too wide for the branke hanger part: try Kadee #441 or #442

2. the truck bolster is too high for the brake hanger part: file down the underside of the bolster near the truck side frames until it fits

1. and 2 might be combined too...

Bernd
Adelsdorf, Germany
B/A tank cars photo

Robert kirkham
 

Interesting postcard - would love to find the original image and blow it up.  Shows several Canadian tank cars, including BA, at Moose Jaw Saskatchewan.  


Rob
Re: Photo: Pacific Great Eastern Reefer 819 (Circa 1950s)

lrkdbn
 

Was this car original to PGE, or was it secondhand? If so does anyone know where it came from?
Larry King
Re: Older Iron Range freight cars

Jim Betz
 

Eric,

  Very nice build!  Shouldn't the rails be essentially the same color as
the ore cars?  I've read that all the houses along the right-of-way had
rust-colored whites - didn't matter what color is was it was going to
end up being a rust colored piece of wash on the clothes line out
back - due to the iron ore haul going by.  I've seen pictures of the
track when it had rained and the track would "run orange" (newly
formed rust).  I can't imagine the track would be any other color
than "iron ore rust".
                                                                                  - Jim
Photos: CP “Stone Car” 338148 (1959)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Pacific Great Eastern Reefer 819 (Circa 1950s)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Pacific Great Eastern Reefer 819 (Circa 1950s)

Photo from the Royal BC Museum:

https://search-bcarchives.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/uploads/r/null/5/b/5b3365b046d40f16b7906c622ec038a5df45d782fa7245593f2d6c5bca09ba65/a-06532_141.jpg

Title:

Refrigerator car, no. 819, broadside, wood-sides, painted aluminum, Caribou herald, closeup, good detail

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
Photo: SHPX/Hooker Tank Car 3344

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: SHPX/Hooker Tank Car 3344

Photo from the Royal BC Museum:

https://search-bcarchives.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/uploads/r/null/c/a/cacb522952694906143b3f5d6b764101d626f39e963ca4a694fdc4b627803453/i-28483_141.jpg

Title:

Tank Cars At Harmac Pulp Mill

Sister car 3342 from previous post:

https://realstmfc.groups.io/g/main/message/183874?p=,,,20,0,0,0::Created,,SHPX,20,2,0,82358041

Appears to be same location.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
Re: Ends for Delaware & Hudson 36' foot boxcars.

Dave Parker
 

George:

Attached is the Hutchins end used on some the rebuilt D&H 36' cars.  Not at all the same as the one used on the 40 ft cars.

Hope this helps.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA
new items from YMW

Pierre Oliver
 

https://elgincarshops.blogspot.com/2021/05/2-new-kits-from-yarmouth-model-works.html

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
Re: Photo of end of D&H 36' boxcar. What kind of end is it?

George Courtney
 

Excellent observation.  Thank you.

George Courtney
Re: Photo of end of D&H 36' boxcar. What kind of end is it?

Eric Hansmann
 

I think that’s an inverse Hutchins end. It’s just difficult to see the indentations. It’s most visible at the end tack board as you can see the tack board spans a gap. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On May 28, 2021, at 5:45 PM, George Courtney via groups.io <gsc3@...> wrote:

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 This is a followup to my earlier question on this car.  I'm thinking of building it in S scale.  The end doesn't match anything I'm aware of, chiefly the riveted metal appears thinner than on other ends.
  Thanks, George Courtney
 
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Re: Ends for Delaware & Hudson 36' foot boxcars.

George Courtney
 

Thanks Scott, but this doesn't appear to be the end in the Sunshine kit I'm using as a basis for my model.  To help I put a new post with a photo of the Sunshine D&H end.

George Courtney
7941 - 7960 of 192632