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Re: UP Livestock Car 47630D (Class Not Visible)

Louis Adler
 

I have always been curious why UP added the letter "D" to the reporting mark number.   Plz explain.  TIA.

Lou Adler


Re: Shipping Bulk Cement - not on the RR?

ron christensen
 

In St Joseph Mi there is a large cement storage building.
Cement is brought in by ship via Lake Michigan. Before 1970 also by rail. The rail siding is long gone.
Large trucks take it to the batch plants. This started sometime after WW2.
I could not find my pictures but here is one from Google
Ron Christensen


Re: ATHEARN prototypes (was UP Livestock Car 47630D)

Tim O'Connor
 

On 6/6/2021 12:02 PM, Kenneth Montero wrote:
Tim (and others on this list),
 
Is there a single source that lists the "almost dead-on right" Athearn cars - hopefully, including:
-- the prototype to which the model is "almost dead-on right",
-- what are the errors ?
 
If not, I will be glad to put together such a list if folks will let me know:
-- the prototype from which the Athearn model is patterned,
-- what are the errors (and if any of them are complete foobies - the location of air brake appliances being one of them - as opposed to the wrong appliance or feature) , and
-- if known and readily found, a source for the correct information for that prototype.
.
See attached for what I have started.
 
This information would be helpful for kitbashing purposes. since Athearn cars often get used for kitbashing.
 
Ken Montero

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Ken --

ATHEARN model - All the ones marked "*" have far better HO models now

Rotary Snowplow               Lima-Hamilton 1948 -- SOO, UP, CRI&P
200 ton crane                      Bucyrus-Erie
*bay window caboose         SP C-40-4 PC&F 1961
cupola caboose                   ATSF 1750-2200, needs toolboxes both sides
wide vision caboose            Rock Island, unique short wheelbase rebuilds
*40' stockcar                      UP S-40-12, reversed roof panels
*40' steel boxcar                1942 AAR 10'6" Soo, IC, DSS&A
*50' dbl dr steel box           ATSF Fe-24 if you don't count the S-corners
40' grain loading box           UP BF-50-3 rebuilds (incorrect ends)
40' hicube ribbed                PC&F SP/SSW B-70-36
50' hicube riveted sides       UP BF-50-4
50' Railbox                         XAF10 but it has the wrong roof
*86' hicube 4-door             Greenville
86' hicube 8-door               Thrall
*40' DS (wood) boxcar       based on 1938 GN cars but too tall
40' offset hopper                 1928 ARA B&O/MP/MILW/B&M/C&O/ERIE/NH
*34' composite hopper        1943 War Emergency
*34' offset hopper               1940's AAR standard many owners
*40' steel reefer                   PFE R-40-23 clones also built for NP
*40' wood reefer                 PFE R-40-24 stand in
50' mech reefer                    PFE R-50-6/R-70-8/10 except for ends & roof
50' ribbed reefer                  PFE R-70-12 except for ends and roof
*57' mech reefer                  PFE R-70-20
*3-bay covered hopper        PS2-CD 4740 1968-1972
4-bay covered hopper         ACF 5250 version up to 1971
40' single dome tank            GATC SP O-50-13 undersize dome, and rivet errors
62' tankcar                          ACF Great Northern, CB&Q are closest matches
40' TOFC reefer trailer        Fruehauf PFE
45' TOFC trailer                  Fruehauf Z-Van
48' container                        Monon design
40' flatcar                            Rutland (by coincidence)
85' piggyback flat                Pullman F85B 1960-1961
*85' all purpose flat             4 feet shorter than prototype but accurate container pedestals
heavy duty flatcar                Commonwealth cast steel but oversized
40' pulpwood flatcar            obscure MP prototype
Husky Stack                       Gunderson
5-unit well cars                    Gunderson Maxi-III
gondola canisters                 LV & D&H cement cannisters
34' ribside hopper                similar to N&W/VGN cars some went to Rock Island
*50' single door steel box     closest to SP B-50-22
50' plug dr boxcar                1960's ACF but with early 1940's ends
50' plug dr ribbed box          a real mess!
50' DD Railbox                    no idea
*40' chemical tank car          very oversized insulated ICC 105
*40' 3-dome tankcar            very oversized total piece of crap
*50' gondola                        a 1941 Greenville gondola with 4 feet missing
gondola containers               similar to some unusual LCL containers
covered gondola                  the roof is nicely done but 4 feet too short

Tim O'Connor


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Speas Company 50ft car question.

Chris Barkan
 

Thanks all for your prompt responses!  Not being a "Q" fan I was unaware of the bomber boxes.  This is a very interesting story.  Thank you for enlightening me!
--
Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL


Re: Speas Company 50ft car question.

 

They both appear to be on the grouns, i.e. not on trucks. So just being used for storage. Is those grain elevators behind it in photo on right side?
Andy Jackson


CB&Q Extended height box car in Scottsbluff NE.

Andy Carlson
 

I saw that Q car years ago (around 1991) while visiting "Red" Vilryl Davis, a great RR freight car photographer who was a great sharing person. I believe his job was as a radio D.J.  Sad news hearing of his passing.

The car was near the tracks right at a grain elevator. I sure hope it survives. Gadz, I am so old that "recent" memories are many decades old now!
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Sunday, June 6, 2021, 9:28:51 PM PDT, Scott <repairman87@...> wrote:


It's rumored there is a CBQ Bomber box with the roof extension being used as storage around Scottsbluff Nebraska.  I haven't been able to find it yet though 

Scott McDonald 
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Re: Speas Company 50ft car question.

Scott
 

It's rumored there is a CBQ Bomber box with the roof extension being used as storage around Scottsbluff Nebraska.  I haven't been able to find it yet though 

Scott McDonald 


Re: Speas Company 50ft car question.

Charlie Vlk
 

All-
The “car” in question is not a car at all.....it is a CB&Q “bomber box” which was a housing applied to Q flatcars to carry B-29 fuselage sections to final assembly.
There are drawings and a full story in them in a BURLINGTON BULLETIN.  
Many of these were used as storage buildings and a few still survive.
Charlie Vlk


On Jun 6, 2021, at 5:37 PM, Chris Barkan <cplbarkan@...> wrote:

Is there any chance that this car in Independence, Iowa is one of these cars?  I have attached some photos taken in Sept 2019.  The odd thing for a milk (or vinegar) car is that it has end doors.   It can be seen in Google Street View at:
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.478193,-91.8891952,3a,60y,102.96h,90.93t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQVJ5Zh7NRy8zPjIFhGVqZQ!2e0!7i3328!8i1664?hl=en

--
Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL


Re: UP Livestock Car 47630D (Class Not Visible)

Kenneth Montero
 

Steve,
 
Thank you. I added your roof description to my list.
 
Ken Montero

On 06/06/2021 8:15 PM Steve SANDIFER <steve.sandifer@...> wrote:
 
 
The Athearn car is a representative of a UP prototype. Major issues are that the diagonal pattern roof has the diagonal the wrong way and the underbody is, well, Athearn. UP tried to keep the yellow ones at home but the red ones went offline.

Steve Sandifer

On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 2:15 PM, Kenneth Montero
<va661midlo@...> wrote:
Thank you, Tony.
 
Now to add this to the "things to do" list.
 
Ken Montero
On 06/06/2021 3:05 PM Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:
 
 
Kenneth Montero wrote:

Is there a single source that lists the "almost dead-on right" Athearn cars - hopefully, including:
-- the prototype to which the model is "almost dead-on right",
-- what are the errors ?
A number of the Athearn cars were so analyzed by Richard Hendrickson, in a group of article in MRJ, but never collected in one place, AFAIK.

Tony Thompson
 
 


Re: UP Livestock Car 47630D (Class Not Visible)

Steve SANDIFER
 

The Athearn car is a representative of a UP prototype. Major issues are that the diagonal pattern roof has the diagonal the wrong way and the underbody is, well, Athearn. UP tried to keep the yellow ones at home but the red ones went offline.

Steve Sandifer

On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 2:15 PM, Kenneth Montero
<va661midlo@...> wrote:
Thank you, Tony.
 
Now to add this to the "things to do" list.
 
Ken Montero
On 06/06/2021 3:05 PM Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:
 
 
Kenneth Montero wrote:

Is there a single source that lists the "almost dead-on right" Athearn cars - hopefully, including:
-- the prototype to which the model is "almost dead-on right",
-- what are the errors ?
A number of the Athearn cars were so analyzed by Richard Hendrickson, in a group of article in MRJ, but never collected in one place, AFAIK.

Tony Thompson
 


Re: Shipping Bulk Cement - not on the RR?

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

Just a quick comment … the cylindrical cement containers pictured are now available for HO modelers in 3D-Printed form from Bowser. Many years back Athearn also offered them in a cruder injection-molded form.

Dan Mitchell
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On Jun 6, 2021, at 6:53 PM, Douglas Harding <iowacentralrr@...> wrote:

Bulk cement was also shipped in boxcars. Track was laid to the construction site for big projects. Here is a blog about the building of the Coulee Dam. Scroll down Thursday, December 12, 2019 for photos of the special “pumps” used to unload the boxcars.
 
Doug Harding
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clark Propst via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, June 6, 2021 5:06 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Shipping Bulk Cement - not on the RR?
 
I don't know when barrels gave way to cloth sacks, but would believe it was before WWII. Paper bags came in the early 50s I believe? Cement was sold by the barrels for years after. 4 sacks to a barrel @ 94lbs a sack you can do the math for the weight of a barrel  ;  ))

Cement company logos were designed to fit on a barrel lid.

Clark Propst 



Re: Speas Company 50ft car question.

Douglas Harding
 

Chris I believe that car is a former CBQ boxcar modified for shipping airplane parts.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Barkan
Sent: Sunday, June 6, 2021 5:38 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Speas Company 50ft car question.

 

Is there any chance that this car in Independence, Iowa is one of these cars?  I have attached some photos taken in Sept 2019.  The odd thing for a milk (or vinegar) car is that it has end doors.   It can be seen in Google Street View at:
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.478193,-91.8891952,3a,60y,102.96h,90.93t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQVJ5Zh7NRy8zPjIFhGVqZQ!2e0!7i3328!8i1664?hl=en

--
Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL


Re: Speas Company 50ft car question.

Richard Townsend
 

I just checked my Burlington Bulletins and found the story of these shrouds (applied to CB&Q FM-14 flat cars) as well as plans in BB #15.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Townsend via groups.io <richtownsend@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Jun 6, 2021 4:05 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Speas Company 50ft car question.

I believe that is one of the shrouds that the CB&Q put on flat cars during WWII for transport of bomber fuselage assemblies.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Barkan <cplbarkan@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Jun 6, 2021 3:41 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Speas Company 50ft car question.

Here are the photos I took.  If it is not one of the cars mentioned above, does anyone have any ideas?
--
Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL


Re: Speas Company 50ft car question.

mel perry
 

well your photos don't have the side door,
matter of a fact, looks like it lost its exterior sheeting, and the curvature of the roof, appears different?
;-)
mel perry

On Sun, Jun 6, 2021, 3:41 PM Chris Barkan <cplbarkan@...> wrote:
Here are the photos I took.  If it is not one of the cars mentioned above, does anyone have any ideas?
--
Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL

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Re: Speas Company 50ft car question.

Richard Townsend
 

I believe that is one of the shrouds that the CB&Q put on flat cars during WWII for transport of bomber fuselage assemblies.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Barkan <cplbarkan@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Jun 6, 2021 3:41 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Speas Company 50ft car question.

Here are the photos I took.  If it is not one of the cars mentioned above, does anyone have any ideas?
--
Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL


Re: Speas Company 50ft car question.

 

Looks like an old CB&Q “bomber” boxcar used to haul sections of B29 IIRC. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Jun 6, 2021, at 5:41 PM, Chris Barkan <cplbarkan@...> wrote:

Here are the photos I took.  If it is not one of the cars mentioned above, does anyone have any ideas?
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Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL
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Re: Shipping Bulk Cement - not on the RR?

Douglas Harding
 

Bulk cement was also shipped in boxcars. Track was laid to the construction site for big projects. Here is a blog about the building of the Coulee Dam. Scroll down Thursday, December 12, 2019 for photos of the special “pumps” used to unload the boxcars.

http://www.bigbendrailroadhistory.com/search?q=dam+cement

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clark Propst via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, June 6, 2021 5:06 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Shipping Bulk Cement - not on the RR?

 

I don't know when barrels gave way to cloth sacks, but would believe it was before WWII. Paper bags came in the early 50s I believe? Cement was sold by the barrels for years after. 4 sacks to a barrel @ 94lbs a sack you can do the math for the weight of a barrel  ;  ))

Cement company logos were designed to fit on a barrel lid.

Clark Propst


Re: Speas Company 50ft car question.

Chris Barkan
 

Here are the photos I took.  If it is not one of the cars mentioned above, does anyone have any ideas?
--
Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL


Re: Speas Company 50ft car question.

Chris Barkan
 

Is there any chance that this car in Independence, Iowa is one of these cars?  I have attached some photos taken in Sept 2019.  The odd thing for a milk (or vinegar) car is that it has end doors.   It can be seen in Google Street View at:
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.478193,-91.8891952,3a,60y,102.96h,90.93t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQVJ5Zh7NRy8zPjIFhGVqZQ!2e0!7i3328!8i1664?hl=en

--
Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL


Re: Shipping Bulk Cement - not on the RR?

Clark Propst
 

I don't know when barrels gave way to cloth sacks, but would believe it was before WWII. Paper bags came in the early 50s I believe? Cement was sold by the barrels for years after. 4 sacks to a barrel @ 94lbs a sack you can do the math for the weight of a barrel  ;  ))

Cement company logos were designed to fit on a barrel lid.

Clark Propst

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