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Photo: Cudahy/Rex Reefer 3927

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Cudahy/Rex Reefer 3927

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From an advertisement by Western Steel Car & Foundry Company:

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Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railway Bull Shippers Group

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Re: MTC 71979

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Remarkable result, Clark.  Excellent looking model.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clark Propst via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2021 11:35 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] MTC 71979

 

On the 8th I finished assembling a F&C kit of a B&M XM-1 box car. I really enjoy these ‘old school’ kits...No etched parts! Car slapped together quickly in three settings. Just painted it with tru-color, so decals later today I hope. Model is primed with Tamiya gray. I’m thinking of decaling it for subsidiary MTC to be different...My wife always says I different anyway...  I didn’t read the instructions, but the only deviation was to replace the sill steps provided with A-Line “Style A” and of course that crappy green floral wire with Tichy .015” wire for brake piping and rods. Oh, and a piece of jewelry chain. My wife once asked me if I could get a knot out of a necklace, Of course I couldn’t, knowing It would work for brake chain  ;  ))

On the morning of the 9th I painted this model’s body with Tru-color Rich Oxide Red I used their grimy black on the separate underframe. Later that morning I decaled one side. That afternoon I decaled the other, I always have to chuckle because first side takes three times as long to decal as the second. After supper I airbrushed the underframe with a 50/50 mix of Dullcote and lacquer thinner. On the body I first sprayed on a mix on thinned Dullcote with some Testers ‘little square bottle’ brown as a tint. Next I tried to just spray the wood sections of the sides with a Dullcote mix with an off white as a tint. All a short wait I weathered by applying Raw Umber Pan Pastel to the underframe before and after adding the trucks which were also dullcoted when I did the underframe. I also used that Pan Pastel color along the bottom of the sides and for wheel splash on the ends. Next was a light application of PP black to the roof and ends applied with the same soft round cosmetic brush used in the underframe. The wheel splash on the ends and for applying black on the exposed tops of the sides (what the roof didn’t cover) I used a thin angled brush. I also used that angled brush to add a little light gray PP an either side of the doors. Lastly I used a color gray, black, reddish brown and brown Prismacolor pencils to weather some side boards and the running board. When I was using a pencil to add boot scuffs behind the side ladders I chipped off a bit of paint. One of my main complaints of F&C kits is poor paint adhesion. This time I soaked the model in “Shout” as they recommend and before painting I doused it with a wash of alcohol, but didn’t help much behind the ladders I guess?  Probably took a half hour to do the weathering. Mainly because I didn’t care to watch the TV show my wife had on  ;  ))
Clark Propst
Viewing the photos I see the brake step isn't setting properly. I'll see if I can correct that? Sometimes the camera's your best modeling tool...


Re: Morning Sun Color guides for Sale

Dave Boss
 

Hello again just got an emergency. Will square up with you on the books Thursday night or Friday morning. Sorry for the delay thanks for your understanding Davse


On Tuesday, June 8, 2021, ALLEN STANLEY <raildata45@...> wrote:
Hi All,

Have several Morning Sun Color Guides for sale. See attached list. From smoke free home most like new. One or two may have a happy something inscription in fron t cover. Please add $5 for shipping. Need money order or check only.

Please reply off list to raildata45@...

Thank you for looking.

Allen Stanley


MTC 71979

Clark Propst
 

On the 8th I finished assembling a F&C kit of a B&M XM-1 box car. I really enjoy these ‘old school’ kits...No etched parts! Car slapped together quickly in three settings. Just painted it with tru-color, so decals later today I hope. Model is primed with Tamiya gray. I’m thinking of decaling it for subsidiary MTC to be different...My wife always says I different anyway...  I didn’t read the instructions, but the only deviation was to replace the sill steps provided with A-Line “Style A” and of course that crappy green floral wire with Tichy .015” wire for brake piping and rods. Oh, and a piece of jewelry chain. My wife once asked me if I could get a knot out of a necklace, Of course I couldn’t, knowing It would work for brake chain  ;  ))
On the morning of the 9th I painted this model’s body with Tru-color Rich Oxide Red I used their grimy black on the separate underframe. Later that morning I decaled one side. That afternoon I decaled the other, I always have to chuckle because first side takes three times as long to decal as the second. After supper I airbrushed the underframe with a 50/50 mix of Dullcote and lacquer thinner. On the body I first sprayed on a mix on thinned Dullcote with some Testers ‘little square bottle’ brown as a tint. Next I tried to just spray the wood sections of the sides with a Dullcote mix with an off white as a tint. All a short wait I weathered by applying Raw Umber Pan Pastel to the underframe before and after adding the trucks which were also dullcoted when I did the underframe. I also used that Pan Pastel color along the bottom of the sides and for wheel splash on the ends. Next was a light application of PP black to the roof and ends applied with the same soft round cosmetic brush used in the underframe. The wheel splash on the ends and for applying black on the exposed tops of the sides (what the roof didn’t cover) I used a thin angled brush. I also used that angled brush to add a little light gray PP an either side of the doors. Lastly I used a color gray, black, reddish brown and brown Prismacolor pencils to weather some side boards and the running board. When I was using a pencil to add boot scuffs behind the side ladders I chipped off a bit of paint. One of my main complaints of F&C kits is poor paint adhesion. This time I soaked the model in “Shout” as they recommend and before painting I doused it with a wash of alcohol, but didn’t help much behind the ladders I guess?  Probably took a half hour to do the weathering. Mainly because I didn’t care to watch the TV show my wife had on  ;  ))
Clark Propst
Viewing the photos I see the brake step isn't setting properly. I'll see if I can correct that? Sometimes the camera's your best modeling tool...


Re: 40-ton trucks with lateral motion

mopacfirst
 

Brian:

Thanks, that tells me what I need to know.  I think I'll use the lateral motion trucks then.

Papa Ben's in Houston has kept me in trucks for quite a while now.

Ron Merrick


HO items for sale list attached

Jim King
 

HO for-sale items list is attached.  I will provide a PDF of the Excel spreadsheet if desired.  Contact me off-list to discuss, etc. 

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 


Morning Sun Color guides for Sale

ALLEN STANLEY
 

Hi All,

Have several Morning Sun Color Guides for sale. See attached list. From smoke free home most like new. One or two may have a happy something inscription in fron t cover. Please add $5 for shipping. Need money order or check only.

Please reply off list to raildata45@...

Thank you for looking.

Allen Stanley


Re: ATHEARN prototypes (was UP Livestock Car 47630D)

Armand Premo
 

Accurail underframes are a very good substitute.APremo


Re: 40-ton trucks with lateral motion

brianleppert@att.net
 

Ron, the presence of lateral motion devices on trucks will depend on the railroad owning them, not capacity.  ATSF, B&O, CB&Q, CN, CP, CV, CofG, C&NW, C&EI, ERIE, DL&W, GTW, IC, MP, NP, RI, SL-SF, SP, T&NO, T&P, UP, and WP were among the railroads that liked and bought trucks with Barber Lateral Motion Devices. Sales of trucks with BLMs seems to have ended in the 1940s with the introductions of newer truck designs such as Self-Aligning Spring Plankless Double Truss, Barber S-2, and A-3 trucks.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV


Re: Paint Selections

gary laakso
 

Well, they do NOT have the same chalk marks on them!

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 3:03 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint Selections

 

 


Re: Paint Selections

WILLIAM PARDIE
 


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to illustraate my earlier comment above afre two Challenger Imp;ort cars.  I’m confident {?) thatr they were imp;orted with a finish very close to Southern Pacific freight car red. Onew of these cars was weathered by myself and one by anmother modeler.  I would find it virtually impossible to determine the original color on these cars and how closely it represented the actual color.

Bill Pardie 


Re: ATHEARN prototypes (was UP Livestock Car 47630D)

Mark Rossiter
 

Thanks Tim!  That’s good to know!  By the way, with just a little sanding of the ends, the Accurail floors are a good replacement for AHM 40’ box car floors as well.  While AHM leaned towards the toy market, they offered a few interesting and fairly accurate paint schemes for some lesser known roads.  The Accurail floors make it easy to have body mounted couplers and screw on trucks of your choice.  By removing the door claws and replacing the clunky steps with A-line parts, you can wind up with a not-to-bad ‘stand in’ car. 

 

Mark Rossiter

 

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40-ton trucks with lateral motion

mopacfirst
 

I'm building some stock cars, but other cars might have this issue, say refrigerator cars.

How common were 40-ton trucks with lateral motion?  I'm thinking of the HO Tahoe 214 vs. 215 (equipped with lateral motion device vs. not).  Were the lateral motion devices frequently applied to a particular type of 40-ton car, with prevention of lading damage in mind?  I can see that the answer for these cars might be different than for 50-ton or larger capacity cars.

I haven't seen this issue discussed in anything I recall seeing.

Ron Merrick


Re: Paint Selections

Chuck Cover
 

RE: I (like many of you) strive to paint my rolling stock as close to prototype as possible .  With the exception of the Union Pacific, Pennsylvania and a handful of others good weathering makes almost any car "close enough".   This particularly applies when you first fade the car before weathering.

Bill Pardie

 

I agree with Bill’s philosophy, but go a step farther.  If the FCC (freight car color) you choose is close to the prototype, some simple weathering can make the model a good match for your specific car.  I agree that when choosing the specific paint for your FCC you should go for a close match, but trying to choose a very specific brand and very specific paint color and expecting it to be a perfect match for the prototype is going to disappoint in most cases.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM

 

 


Re: Paint Selections

WILLIAM PARDIE
 





Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
.I (like many of you) strive to paint my rolling stock as close to prototype as possible .  With the exception of the Union Pacific, Pennsylvania and a handful of others good weathering makes almost any car "close enough".   This particularly applies when you first fade the car before weathering.

Bill Pardie


-------- Original message --------
From: "Bill Keene via groups.io" <bill41@...>
Date: 6/8/21 9:41 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: "main@realstmfc.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint Selections


> On Jun 8, 2021, at 11:53 AM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:
>
> Bill Jolitz wrote:
>
>> Look into STAR Brand at PBL.  They have a DRGW-specific color.
>

Are any of the Star Brand DRGW-specific colors “close enough” to the box car brown/red of other railroads?  “Close enough” considering that the rolling stock will be weathered.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA





Re: Paint Selections

Tim O'Connor
 

Bill

Yes, of course. For "Star" you can substitute "any brand" and the answer is still Yes.

Star - Accupaint - TruColor - they are exactly the same paint from the same vendor (who sells mostly
to the toy industry)

And like Tony, I really like them. And easier to use than acrylics, if you're used to solvent paints. They
are a little tricky if you're painting colors over other colors (can be used to advantage for weathering)
since the new layer blends into the layer below. (They are not enamels.)

Tim O'Connor



Are any of the Star Brand DRGW-specific colors “close enough” to the box car brown/red of other railroads?  “Close enough” considering that the rolling stock will be weathered. 

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Paint Selections

Bill Keene
 

On Jun 8, 2021, at 11:53 AM, Tony Thompson <tony@signaturepress.com> wrote:

Bill Jolitz wrote:

Look into STAR Brand at PBL. They have a DRGW-specific color.
Are any of the Star Brand DRGW-specific colors “close enough” to the box car brown/red of other railroads? “Close enough” considering that the rolling stock will be weathered.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


Re: Paint Selections

Tony Thompson
 

Bill Jolitz wrote:

Look into STAR Brand at PBL.  They have a DRGW-specific color.

And it's darn good paint. I use several of their colors a lot.

Tony Thompson




Re: Paint Selections

O Fenton Wells
 

Yes you guys are correct, I'm wrong,  my Floquil bottle says Southern Freight Car Brown, my bad
Fenton

On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 1:58 PM O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:
Gentlemen, I believe, (no proof, just from photo observations) that the Floquil  Southern Boxcar Red is for the 1970's and beyond.  The 30's through the 50's were darker and browner...In my humble opinion.  However having said that with some weathering who knows.  
Fenton

On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 11:46 AM Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

I have a bottle of Floquil Southern Freight Car Brown. Is that the one, or is there another Floquil color for Southern Boxcar Red? I haven’t seen the Tru Color Southern Railway boxcar color, but I have Scalecoat Boxcar Red to compare with the Floquil Southern Freight Car Brown.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Brewer
Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 9:27 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint Selections

 

Nelson,

 

Regarding N&W, their boxcar color was toward brown; way back, I used Floquil (?) Southern Boxcar Red;; when that went away I now use the Scalecoat II Boxcar Red (2013 a/k/a Boxcar Red No. 1).

 

In looking at the Tru Color website I noted they offer a Southern Railway boxcar color; I've never seen nor used it. The notes on the website indicate it was used through 1950 so I don't know if it is similar to the Scalecoat II color.

 

Jim Brewer 

 



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
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910-420-8106
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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: Paint Selections

O Fenton Wells
 

Gentlemen, I believe, (no proof, just from photo observations) that the Floquil  Southern Boxcar Red is for the 1970's and beyond.  The 30's through the 50's were darker and browner...In my humble opinion.  However having said that with some weathering who knows.  
Fenton

On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 11:46 AM Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

I have a bottle of Floquil Southern Freight Car Brown. Is that the one, or is there another Floquil color for Southern Boxcar Red? I haven’t seen the Tru Color Southern Railway boxcar color, but I have Scalecoat Boxcar Red to compare with the Floquil Southern Freight Car Brown.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Brewer
Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 9:27 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint Selections

 

Nelson,

 

Regarding N&W, their boxcar color was toward brown; way back, I used Floquil (?) Southern Boxcar Red;; when that went away I now use the Scalecoat II Boxcar Red (2013 a/k/a Boxcar Red No. 1).

 

In looking at the Tru Color website I noted they offer a Southern Railway boxcar color; I've never seen nor used it. The notes on the website indicate it was used through 1950 so I don't know if it is similar to the Scalecoat II color.

 

Jim Brewer 

 



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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