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Re: Reserves fully met: Great Northern 1954 rebuilt 50' SS auto car boxcar

Staffan Ehnbom
 

Andy,
You wrote:
 "along with cross-ties and cross member which the originals did not have any of either. I have started adding these structural additions to my stretched frame."
It sounds as if you say the original cars did not have cross-ties and cross members. That would be most unusual. That they had cross members is shown by the stringers which were fitted between  the cross members. Do you have access to the Jan 2016 RMC drawing? The 29000 series underframe was also a little different from the Westerfield 42000 series u-frame. I,ll try and attach a u-frame photo showing stringers.

Staffan

On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 6:50 PM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
I have the 10 cars reserved. Thanks for those folks. My plans don't have me making more than these 10 cars.
Thanks,
-Andy

On Wednesday, June 9, 2021, 5:53:19 PM PDT, Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:



The Great Northern had 1000s of early 1920s wood side box cars which had fishbelly structured underframes and early style of steel ends. In 1952 the GN initiated a rebuild of these cars into more useful all steel 8' single door box cars. The wood siding, flooring doors and roof were jettisoned to the trash heap. New riveted sides with post war Youngstown steel doors and a diagonal panel steel roof were placed onto the existing fish belly under frame and 6/5/5 Murphy corrugated ends. The cars were not heightened and remained at pre-rebuilt 10'0" IH.
Inline image

Bill Welch's  HO model from years ago.

The initial rebuilds were painted into the then standard GN Mineral Red scheme with a side ways facing goat. Early on quite a few were equipped with load dividers and were painted into at least 3 Orange and Green "loader" schemes. Even later, many received Vermillian red in slant serif and EB lettering plus Big Sky Blue and many Glacier Green schemes were done as well.

My work on this series of rebuilds was done years ago. At the time I was making these molds Bill Welch asked for a pair of sides as he had a Westerfield 1925 50' SS autocar, which were the types used for the rebuilding. I eventually tried an experimental technique to have the roof integrate the inclusion of the top gable shaped portion of the 6/5/5 corrugated ends. The end just needed to be horizontally flat across the top. While making the fit of the roof to the sides critically exact, the difficult-at-times of fitting roofs, sides and ends together with no gaps was made much easier.

I had made  a longer wheelbase fish belly under frame back then getting the striker distance to bolster center to 5'0".  I was to learn years later that GN did lots of modifications to the under frame for the rebuildings. Floor stringers which were not on the 1925 floors were added, along with cross-ties and cross member which the originals did not have any of either. I have started adding these structural additions to my stretched frame.

After some other current works which are placed ahead of this project are done I will complete the molds for this GN 50' rebuild box car. I am planning on making 10 casting sets which will be offered to the STMFC list at that time. If anyone wishes to have me reserve a non-obligated one of these cars for later purchase, feel free to ask. I am not accepting any up front money for these. Please note that these are not one-piece bodies.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
Re: CGW reefer

Douglas Harding
 

Thanks to everyone who has offered information on CGW reefers. Greatly appreciated.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2021 7:36 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] CGW reefer

 

The only three CGW reefer photos I have.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 
Re: CGW reefer

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

The only three CGW reefer photos I have.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

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CGW 32051.jpg
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URTC 97007 CGW.jpg
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URTX 1020 CGW.jpg

Re: CGW reefer

ROGER HINMAN
 

ACF built 200 reefers for CGW in 1910, ACL Lot 5828; there’s a photo of a car on the Westerfield ACF CD

Roger Hinman


On Jun 12, 2021, at 11:21 AM, wahsatch <wahsatch@...> wrote:

Doug,
 
Ck'd my 12/28 ORER - were 20 pass reffers in 4 #groups & 423 frt reefers in 9 groups. I can give you dims, ext, int, wts. The frt are 30T while the pass are 30T, 40T, & 50T. While later than 07, might show which group came from. In my 38 ORER, almost non-existent - 6!
 
-=- Bob Colquitt
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 9:07 AM
From: "Eric Hansmann" <eric@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] CGW reefer

Doug,

 

I just checked the files in my archive. I don’t have anything on CGW reefers.

 
 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 
 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 5:34 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] CGW reefer

 

Looking for information about CGW reefers, circa 1900-1910. Apparently there is an old CGW reefer body in Oelwein. If I recall it was purchased by an Italian immigrant in 1907 and made into a home. Then was later rented out to others. Now some folks are looking to preserve/restore the body. All that is know is that it was CGW reefer.

 

Does anyone have any information and/or photos of CGW reefers from that era?

 
 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 
 
Re: Rapido USRA Single Sheath Boxcar announced

brianleppert@att.net
 

I have read no comments about the incorrect upper door guide seen in Rapido's illustration.  It needs to extend farther to the right.

Brian Leppert
Carson
city, NV
Re: CGW reefer

wahsatch
 

Doug,
 
Ck'd my 12/28 ORER - were 20 pass reffers in 4 #groups & 423 frt reefers in 9 groups. I can give you dims, ext, int, wts. The frt are 30T while the pass are 30T, 40T, & 50T. While later than 07, might show which group came from. In my 38 ORER, almost non-existent - 6!
 
-=- Bob Colquitt
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 9:07 AM
From: "Eric Hansmann" <eric@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] CGW reefer

Doug,

 

I just checked the files in my archive. I don’t have anything on CGW reefers.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 5:34 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] CGW reefer

 

Looking for information about CGW reefers, circa 1900-1910. Apparently there is an old CGW reefer body in Oelwein. If I recall it was purchased by an Italian immigrant in 1907 and made into a home. Then was later rented out to others. Now some folks are looking to preserve/restore the body. All that is know is that it was CGW reefer.

 

Does anyone have any information and/or photos of CGW reefers from that era?

 

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

 
Re: CGW reefer

Eric Hansmann
 

Doug,

 

I just checked the files in my archive. I don’t have anything on CGW reefers.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 5:34 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] CGW reefer

 

Looking for information about CGW reefers, circa 1900-1910. Apparently there is an old CGW reefer body in Oelwein. If I recall it was purchased by an Italian immigrant in 1907 and made into a home. Then was later rented out to others. Now some folks are looking to preserve/restore the body. All that is know is that it was CGW reefer.

 

Does anyone have any information and/or photos of CGW reefers from that era?

 

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 
Re: C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers - Renovo PA 1952

Mark Rossiter
 

All: I am surprised that there have not been more comments on the milk car shown in the referenced photo.  This is a National Car Company milk car.  It was somewhat revolutionary at the time and was an example of a relatively early application of the ‘intermodal’ concept.  The tanks were detachable for placement on trucks for local delivery.  There were several versions of this car.  Overland imported models of these cars and Funaro and Camerlengo did them in resin as well. 

 

For more information on the prototype and the models, look here: http://users.rcn.com/jimdu4/MilkTrains/NX_1487.htm

 

Mark Rossiter

 
Re: C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers - Renovo PA 1952

Kenneth Montero
 

Check the Borden milk cars. They and other milk cars had such trucks.
 
Ken Montero

On 06/11/2021 12:28 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:
 
 
Interesting trucks under the flat car.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

Re: Rapido USRA Single Sheath Boxcar announced

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Gerald,

I just checked the website again, and the numbers have been changed. This morning, I misspoke when I said last night, the two sets of numbers were the same, and were all four digits starting with a six. They're quite different now. Good news.

Thanks again. Thant's one less thing to cause me concern.

Pax,


Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Henriksen
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 7:42 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rapido USRA Single Sheath Boxcar announced

On Fri, 11 Jun 2021 12:13:33 -0400, you wrote:

Rapido is offering the PRR X36, aka USRA single sheathed boxcar, with both
Youngstown and Creco doors. The website, however, shows the six car sets of
both versions will have the same six car numbers. I hoping that changes.
Don't know if they have changed it, but the website currently shows
different numbers for the 2 6-car offerings.
Re: Rapido USRA Single Sheath Boxcar announced

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Gerald,

Thanks for the info. I'll check it out.

I sent them a "Contact" message last night when I noticed the numbers. Thus far I've gotten only an automated response, but maybe that was the impetus for the change.

Pax,


Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Henriksen
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 7:42 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rapido USRA Single Sheath Boxcar announced

On Fri, 11 Jun 2021 12:13:33 -0400, you wrote:

Rapido is offering the PRR X36, aka USRA single sheathed boxcar, with both
Youngstown and Creco doors. The website, however, shows the six car sets of
both versions will have the same six car numbers. I hoping that changes.
Don't know if they have changed it, but the website currently shows
different numbers for the 2 6-car offerings.
Re: Rapido USRA Single Sheath Boxcar announced

Gerald Henriksen
 

On Fri, 11 Jun 2021 12:13:33 -0400, you wrote:

Rapido is offering the PRR X36, aka USRA single sheathed boxcar, with both
Youngstown and Creco doors. The website, however, shows the six car sets of
both versions will have the same six car numbers. I hoping that changes.
Don't know if they have changed it, but the website currently shows
different numbers for the 2 6-car offerings.
Resin kits for sale - 1 has been sold; 7 available

Jim King
 

The CB&Q XM32 kit has been sold.  These kits are still available:

 

Road Name

Item Description (Resin Kits and Built)

Manufacturer

Mfr's Item No.

Qty.

Unit Price

B&O

Mill gon, USRA, flat end, O-27A class, kit

Westerfield

8151

1

$      45.00

IC

40' boxcar, single sheathed, from 2019 Chicagoland RPM, kit

Resin Car Works

3.01

1

$      50.00

PRR

40' boxcar, X29D, 8' doors, circle keystone decals, kit

Funaro

8310

1

$      30.00

PRR

46' gondola, class G22, 1-pc body, modernized, kit

Funaro

8355

1

$      30.00

Southern

36' boxcar, Hutchins/modern end/, modern, Southern/A&D, kit

Westerfield

4151

1

$      25.00

Southern

36' boxcar, Hutchins/modern end, late Southern, kit

Westerfield

4153

1

$      25.00

West India Fruit

40' boxcar, postwar ACF w/ decals, kit

Yarmouth

113

1

$      55.00

 

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 
CGW reefer

Douglas Harding
 

Looking for information about CGW reefers, circa 1900-1910. Apparently there is an old CGW reefer body in Oelwein. If I recall it was purchased by an Italian immigrant in 1907 and made into a home. Then was later rented out to others. Now some folks are looking to preserve/restore the body. All that is know is that it was CGW reefer.

 

Does anyone have any information and/or photos of CGW reefers from that era?

 

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 
Re: Rapido USRA Single Sheath Boxcar announced

Eric Hansmann
 

Allen,

The Southern was not assigned any USRA boxcars. They were assigned 2000 USRA composite gondolas with drop bottom doors.

The original USRA car assignments can be review in tables on my blog.
http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/usra-freight-car-assignments/


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



On 06/11/2021 2:07 PM Allen Cain <allencaintn@...> wrote:


Did The Southern operate any that match Rapidos undeveloped?

Allen Cain
--
Allen Cain
Chem-Dry of Brentwood
Chem-Dry of Franklin
Mr. B's Chem-Dry
Bluff City Chem-Dry
Chem-Dry of De Soto County
Divisions of New Horizons Enterprises Inc

--
Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO Scale


Re: Rapido USRA Single Sheath Boxcar announced

Allen Cain
 

Did The Southern operate any that match Rapidos undeveloped?

Allen Cain
--
Allen Cain
Chem-Dry of Brentwood
Chem-Dry of Franklin
Mr. B's Chem-Dry
Bluff City Chem-Dry
Chem-Dry of De Soto County
Divisions of New Horizons Enterprises Inc

--
Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO Scale
Re: C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers - Renovo PA 1952

Jeffrey Gray <bigsix@...>
 

Gentlemen:

 

If you Google “The Story of Milk Transportation By Rail” – Rasin River Models, you will find a nice article on the Milk Industry and the railcars. Originally published in the DISPATCH of The National Association of S-Gaugers, Vol. XIII No. 1 January/February 1990.

 

Jeff Gray

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Dennis Storzek
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 1:55 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers - Renovo PA 1952

 

On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 09:28 AM, Bob Chaparro wrote:

Interesting trucks under the flat car.

They are express trucks. These were express cars, equipped for passenger service. If you enlarge the pic and look closely under the end of the hopper, you can see the steam line connector on the flatcar...
Dennis Storzek

 
Re: C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers - Renovo PA 1952

Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
 

On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 09:28 AM, Bob Chaparro wrote:
Interesting trucks under the flat car.
They are express trucks. These were express cars, equipped for passenger service. If you enlarge the pic and look closely under the end of the hopper, you can see the steam line connector on the flatcar...
Dennis Storzek
Re: C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers - Renovo PA 1952

Bob Chaparro
 

Interesting trucks under the flat car.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
Re: Rapido USRA Single Sheath Boxcar announced

Ralph W. Brown
 

Yes, a typo. Ugh.

Thanks for the clarification.


Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Hansmann
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 12:23 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rapido USRA Single Sheath Boxcar announced

I think Ralph had a typo in the Pennsy car class. The USRA single-sheathed
boxcars were the X26 class on the PRR.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralph
W. Brown
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 11:14 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rapido USRA Single Sheath Boxcar announced

Hi Gerald, et al.,

Rapido is offering the PRR X36, aka USRA single sheathed boxcar, with both
Youngstown and Creco doors. The website, however, shows the six car sets of
both versions will have the same six car numbers. I hoping that changes.

Pax,


Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Henriksen
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 11:32 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rapido USRA Single Sheath Boxcar announced

On Thu, 10 Jun 2021 19:43:41 -0400, you wrote:

Just announced on a Facebook Live, newsletter and website will show it
sometime tomorrow.

- 3 different doors
- Ann Arbor, B&O, C&O, CNJ, C&NW, D&H, MEC, MILW, N&W, NYC, Pennsy,
Reading, SP, + 1 more couldn't see (I think I got the list correct from
the image they showed on the livestream).
Website now live:
https://rapidotrains.com/products/ho-scale/freight-cars/ho-scale-usra-single
-sheathed-wood-boxcar

Or the PDF brochure:
https://files.constantcontact.com/b02e8bb6001/276e9961-da24-414c-abcb-7f7b57
a59af7.pdf
9681 - 9700 of 194675